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That is exactly how it works and the rough maths are pointing to battery life similar to iPhone 16 (but not 16 Plus), which is why I posted it.
Say your right and the high density battery gives 15% more efficiency to the 2,800 mh capacity, that would be similar to 420 extra Mh so 3,220 Mh in total. Still a smaller battery than the iPhone 16, yet powering a 6.6” Promotion screen 🤷🏽‍♂️. Not trying to be negative, just realistic thats all.
 
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“This phone is thin, but thin phones aren’t worthwhile because you need to use them without a case to appreciate it, so it’s pointless to make them thin” (basically what this is saying)
sounds correct. otherwise one slip and its $1100 down the drain
 
I’m a very light phone user, so I would gladly trade battery life for thinness and lightness (I would also prefer smallness). It’s pretty rare when I do need to use my phone heavily without access to charging for long stretches, and I almost always know ahead of time, so I’m very ok bringing a MagSafe battery on those days. With my current iPhone I carry around way too much battery and weight and thickness for no real reason. And yes even with a case, I would still appreciate the thinness and lightness, because a thick heavy phone would just be that much thicker and heavier with the case.

The camera though is what I’m very hesitant to trade off.

I'm with you other than the camera

My ideal phone would replace the rear camera array with a duplicate of the front facing camera in order to have a completely back
 
Does it bend when you sit on it in your back pocket ... funny how quick the "bendgate" scandal became an obscure bit of history.
 
Say your right and the high density battery gives 15% more efficiency to the 2,800 mh capacity, that would be similar to 420 extra Mh so 3,220 Mh in total. Still a smaller battery than the iPhone 16, yet powering a 6.6” Promotion screen 🤷🏽‍♂️. Not trying to be negative, just realistic thats all.
You're right on target, now add another 10-15% from the new SoC which is a given as well. You're now up around 3600 or more, exceeding that of iPhone 16.

I'd expect all other iPhone 17 models to far exceed iPhone 17 Air life, but if its meeting the same standard as iPhone 16, it isn't anything to worry about.
 
Does it bend when you sit on it in your back pocket ... funny how quick the "bendgate" scandal became an obscure bit of history.
How quick?

Firstly, that was eleven years ago. Second, the issue was with the rigidity of the aluminum frame which was fixed in the very next iteration a year later.

You're basically suggesting that not only did the 6S never happen, but that Apple has learned nothing about how to make iPhones more rigid in 10 years. Good luck with that thought process.
 
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“This phone is thin, but thin phones aren’t worthwhile because you need to use them without a case to appreciate it, so it’s pointless to make them thin” (basically what this is saying)
I'm fairly confused with this logic. The average case is around 2mm thick (excluding the ultra slim options for argument's sake). If iPhone 16 Pro Max is 8mm, and I add a case, it's 10 mm thick in the hand. If an iPhone 17 Air is 5mm and I add a case...it's 7mm in the hand. Still thinner than the Pro Max without a case. 30% thinner overall.
 
I'm fairly confused with this logic. The average case is around 2mm thick (excluding the ultra slim options for argument's sake). If iPhone 16 Pro Max is 8mm, and I add a case, it's 10 mm thick in the hand. If an iPhone 17 Air is 5mm and I add a case...it's 7mm in the hand. Still thinner than the Pro Max without a case. 30% thinner overall.
Agreed, I don't know why I keep seeing people say this. I have to use a case for my phone, I have three kids that constantly use my phone, plus I work on concrete all day. So a thinner phone with case is better than a thicker phone with a case.

Granted I understand battery life might be an issue for some and that I totally understand. I'm lucky that I can charge my phone at work when I need.
 
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This thing weighs more than my 13 Mini, yet is somehow considered super light?

Is it able to be operated one-handed, at least? If not, I'm really not seeing the point. It's just heavier, more expensive, and less usable than the 13 Mini, which was arguably the peak iPhone (SE being the other arguable peak).
 
I'm fairly confused with this logic. The average case is around 2mm thick (excluding the ultra slim options for argument's sake). If iPhone 16 Pro Max is 8mm, and I add a case, it's 10 mm thick in the hand. If an iPhone 17 Air is 5mm and I add a case...it's 7mm in the hand. Still thinner than the Pro Max without a case. 30% thinner overall.
I was confused too my friend, that’s why I was pointing it out.
 
Agreed, I don't know why I keep seeing people say this. I have to use a case for my phone, I have three kids that constantly use my phone, plus I work on concrete all day. So a thinner phone with case is better than a thicker phone with a case.

Granted I understand battery life might be an issue for some and that I totally understand. I'm lucky that I can charge my phone at work when I need.
Yeah I mean I work at my desk most of the day with my phone on a charging stand. Rarely do I ever push the battery to its limits. I'll be fine with something that's functionally equivalent to the iPhone 16 battery life.
 
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That’s a battery case, not a battery pack like the old MagSafe one
True, but I think that’s what Dan meant in the article. If there was any other rumor besides the battery case one, they would have published an article on it and mentioned it on the 17 Air roundup page.
 
The difference is operating system, there's a piece of paper between Apple and Samsung when it comes to everything else. If anything Samsung has stagnated because Apple has, which is why the best new phone tech comes from China (Xiaomi, Honor, Oppo, OnePlus etc) rather than the two dominant firms.
Well iOS is better than Android definitely. Everything coming from China is suspect to have embedded spyware and I have seen nothing innovative coming out of China’s big intellectual property stealing and duplication industry.
 
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we already know
No, not really. There is nothing officially announced by Apple. Only rumors provided by “leakers”, which could be disinformation provided to the “leakers” so that Apple can terminate their employment or contracts. Rumors have been announcing the foldable iPhone for years and yet it is not currently a product.
 
This thing weighs more than my 13 Mini, yet is somehow considered super light?

Is it able to be operated one-handed, at least? If not, I'm really not seeing the point. It's just heavier, more expensive, and less usable than the 13 Mini, which was arguably the peak iPhone (SE being the other arguable peak).
This, so much! I really do not get why you would buy this. With the air you get a worse camera, battery life, not one handed, (probably) throttled performance, but at higher price than a normal iPhone. Compare this to a mini… camera same as conventional iPhone, somewhat less battery life (but should comparably be better than the Air: less screen estate to power), same performance, cheaper.
Rhus, will people buy an Air? Just for thiness?? I do not get the logic behind such a buying decision…
 
No, not really. There is nothing officially announced by Apple. Only rumors provided by “leakers”, which could be disinformation provided to the “leakers” so that Apple can terminate their employment or contracts. Rumors have been announcing the foldable iPhone for years and yet it is not currently a product.

Would you care to wager?

Much more likely actual information provided to leakers to create publicity.
 
I watched jerry rig's durability test of it and honestly I was impressed that it didn't bend or snap.

Notably, samsung use titanium in the design (plus it's very marginally thicker than the rumoured air)
I wonder if apple will use titanium for the air; or default to aluminium like the other iphone 17 models are rumoured to be.
 
The biggest problem with the s25 Edge is the paltry 25w charging on a phone most will need to charge by mid-afternoon. That means a boost in charging from about 30% to 80% will take quite a bit longer.
 
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