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I think you're confusing "identified developer" and "app store". You can't submit apps to the app store without being an identified developer, but you can still sign your apps as an identified developer even if you release them outside of the app store. Your own screenshot shows that you can install apps that aren't on the app store, as long as they're signed.


In my case ... "as long as they're signed" is not enough... the developer's certificate must be in the list of trusted certs approved by our CIO's office. This list gets distributed to our computers via managed security profiles.
[doublepost=1488526911][/doublepost]Not sure what the majority of you guys use... but for me I only use the built-in vi program on the terminal. When I get on Linux/unix based machines, it's the same option of course.

I don't even use the TextEdit program that comes with OSX. Because one time I tried editing firewall commands with it and pasted to the firewall, it didn't work. TextEdit was trying to be smart and converted regular quotes to smart quotes...
 
Quick question, maybe you guys can answer me:
Why use BBedit instead of Brackets ?
Any blatant advantage ?
 
Aww. Sad to hear. That was my favorite text editor. I was even hoping it would come out for Windows at some point since I haven't been able to find a good (or even tolerable) replacement when I'm using Windows.
 
I work on large web projects and overtime Atom slows down to me. Believe it or not I now use Microsoft Visual Studio Code on my Mac and really like it. It has the same similar commands as Atom including cmd-p
Isn't VS Code just Atom in a Microsoft dress? I guess they've added a few Microsoft-centric features but surely it would suffer from the same issues as Atom on large projects?
 
Bbedit looks old and crusty against the likes of Sublime, Atom and the rest.

I'm surprised it is still around TBH.
 
I will always love BBEdit, but switched over to Sublime Text a couple years ago. It has a "fun" factor that I never got from BBEdit among other features but BBEdit is a rock solid app that I refuse to remove from my machine.
 
Go ahead and donate your time and skill to them, if you think you can do better.

He's right and it wouldn't be hard to do better. Why he'd donate his time and skill to a commercial outfit is puzzling. But they don't have a monopoly in ugly application icons.
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Bbedit looks old and crusty against the likes of Sublime, Atom and the rest.

I'm surprised it is still around TBH.

Really don't like Atom but there's plenty of choice to find the one you do.
 
textmate is free. bbedit can die now.
Textmate hasn't been touched in years, the latest blog post was from 2014.

As for Textwrangler, I can see why they're making that move.
 
TW 3.0 is my daily driver. Didn't like the later versions because it doesn't like various Unicode files.
 
A while back I started using Atom, haven't looked back since.

I wanted to like Atom, but it is super slow. It takes just long enough to open that I could not stand it anymore. I have not seen an Electron-based application that runs well; Brackets, Visual Studio Code and others are just as bad in that way. I can just feel the inefficiency and the limits.

Atom also has the problem that it just does not integrate well with Launch Services and other Cocoa features. I frequently had the problem that Atom updated itself in the background, with two entries of Atom showing up in the ‘Open With’ menu, causing another process of Atom to launch If I got confused by the version number. It also does not work well with the auto-resume feature of macOS on which I rely so much.

I think BBedit, Sublime Text and Coda are much better in that respect.

You always think you've come up with a new flashy editor and then you need to open a 500MB text file, or do complex multi-file processing, or some other damn thing... and your new flashy editor slows to a crawl, or doesn't behave properly, or crashes.

My exact experience as well.
 
I used BBEdit for many years as my editor of choice when not using an IDE. BBEdit can hangle very large files, etc.

Later, TextWrangler was all I needed, and I stop doing BBEdit udpates.

Lately, I'm using CotEditor more often. CotEditor is fast, open source Swift (modern codebase) and is scriptable.
Thank you for this. I've never seen this app before, but just gave it a go on an app I'm working on and I loved it.
 
Now please bring BBEdit back to the AppStore!

It has components that cannot be on the app store as per apple's submission rules. Its their CLI comparison tools that create issues off the top of my head.

Issue they had in the past is app store buyers had to go through hoops to get these back. Apples's records are not in sync with their theirs. The dual edged sword of the touted apple does not release your information stance. Also means 3rd party devs may not know you actually own their product if only apple knows you do.

Your buy on the app store is not a guarantee BBEdit sees you are as a registered and paid user.

Other issues encountered was on major updates...they were dealing with customer complaints they wanted the new update now. BBEdit can post day 1 patches /updates on their DL servers for direct buyers. App store has the code verification waiting period. So its the above scenario again...proving you own the product when apple holds the records to plead to get the update. So besides the CLI fun I'd imagine they pulled this to cut off this customer service nightmare.

Not a big deal imo. This checks on startup for updates and even installs for you if you want it to.
 
I use textwrangler a lot too bad I will look for a replacement
BBEdit IS THE Textwrangler replacement. Textwrangler always was just a lite version of BBEdit (it even was called BBEdit lite before). If you know TextWrangler you will know BBEdit and you can just use the free version of BBEdit, which already has more features than TextWrangler. Not much changes except for name, icon and that you get more features for free. (Change the icon and name of BBEdit to Textwrangler's ones and you may not even notice the difference… ;))
 
It's slightly crippled after the 30 day trial but only slightly.
But does it keep pestering you to upgrade? I can handle TextWranger levels of pestering (I think it maybe asks the first time you start), and I'd probably just buy it if I knew it would last more than an OS version or two (the bad thing about Apple updating pretty much yearly now, I guess), but I otherwise I might explore some other options--or just keep using TextWrangler until I can't anymore. :)
 
In my case ... "as long as they're signed" is not enough... the developer's certificate must be in the list of trusted certs approved by our CIO's office. This list gets distributed to our computers via managed security profiles.
Your company has draconian lock-down policies like this but they allow everything from the App Store without question?

I think you're placing the blame for your problems on the wrong corporation.
 
TextWrangler was basically BBEdit without a lot of the stuff. If you're a TW user you should just move to the free BBEdit.

Been using BBEdit for a ridiculous amount of time, since BBEdit 2 or 3. It still doesn't suck, which is pretty good for a long-lived software product.
 
Textmate hasn't been touched in years, the latest blog post was from 2014.
Actually, the source code to Textmate is now on github, as of some time back and has been updated as recently as December, but it definitely went from "rising star with some potential" to more "crashed and burned by the wayside" as far as text editors go. A text editor is too vital of a tool to put extensive time into one with an uncertain development path.
 
Not sure what the majority of you guys use... but for me I only use the built-in vi program on the terminal. When I get on Linux/unix based machines, it's the same option of course.
All vi all the time. It's been the most finger-movement-efficient way to enter and manipulate text for decades. "vi" on macOS is actually Vim, and you can download MacVim from GitHub, or compile it from source yourself, to end up with a full Cocoa-based Mac app, which gives you proper mouse support, GUI cut/copy/paste, scrollbars, full color support for themes, etc. It's my most used Mac app (80% comes down to MacVim, iTerm2, and Safari - the Mac makes a nice Unix workstation).
I don't even use the TextEdit program that comes with OSX. Because one time I tried editing firewall commands with it and pasted to the firewall, it didn't work. TextEdit was trying to be smart and converted regular quotes to smart quotes...
TextEdit is a dreadful choice for developers/sysadmins. I think you can turn rtf and smart quotes off, but it's really a small word processor, offering to try to pretend to be a text editor.
 
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