Explain that to Dell(Adamo, V13) or HP(Envy) or SOny(Viao z) about their "bad" build quality. Oh and ASUS, who used to build Macs...
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The 13" MBP Is Not A Pro Machine - UPDATED TOPIC
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Explain that to Dell(Adamo, V13) or HP(Envy) or SOny(Viao z) about their "bad" build quality. Oh and ASUS, who used to build Macs...
I think the whole pro and not pro issue is a little misunderstood.
First I think the 13 inch macbook pro is behind if you compare it to other options professionals need when talking about speed. From the benchmarks you can see on the front of the page you can obviously see where professionals would benefit. Just because you can edit a video or record a song or do some photoshop doesn't mean a working pro that might be running much more intensive processes or that are on much more tighter timelines doesn't NEED more speed. And yes professionals need 13 inch laptops for MANY reasons too.
That being said the "pro" moniker that Mac nowadays seems to stand more for "better" or higher level. You can compare it directly how Nvidia uses the GT or GTX or Ultra monikers. Even cars with their LX / EX etc ones... or in a small stretch to Street Fighter and Super Street Fighter
. Not necessarily that it has anything to do with being professional.
I mean with pure ability to do work you could do just as much work on a Macbook as the Macbook Pro 13 inch
First I think the 13 inch macbook pro is behind if you compare it to other options professionals need when talking about speed. From the benchmarks you can see on the front of the page you can obviously see where professionals would benefit. Just because you can edit a video or record a song or do some photoshop doesn't mean a working pro that might be running much more intensive processes or that are on much more tighter timelines doesn't NEED more speed. And yes professionals need 13 inch laptops for MANY reasons too.
That being said the "pro" moniker that Mac nowadays seems to stand more for "better" or higher level. You can compare it directly how Nvidia uses the GT or GTX or Ultra monikers. Even cars with their LX / EX etc ones... or in a small stretch to Street Fighter and Super Street Fighter
. Not necessarily that it has anything to do with being professional.I mean with pure ability to do work you could do just as much work on a Macbook as the Macbook Pro 13 inch
It may not be too big for you. It is too big for me, and apparently a lot of people. In my case it is less about the weight and more about the bulk. There is a big difference in the footprint between the two, and how big of a bag you need to lug the damn thing around. So please speak for yourself and don't tell me what is too big.
Why? Because you say so? Because it wont do the job? I say go for if it will do what you want it to.
Hey if someone wants a small powerful computer, so be it. Don't knock them because they're not in line with your thinking about a 15" MBP ... not the maturest point ... it's no different than cars, different sizes/spec's for different folks, so what.
The problem is Apple is closing the options to an albeit small but very loyal group of their customer base .... 40 Billion in Cash, an unemployment rate near 10% in the States so why? No shortage of money or people to work...
It's the damn iPhone, iPad, iAd, App store money making monster that Jobs has created and NOTHING even slightly related, such as a new MacBook Air or a 13" MBP, is going to take a glimpse of attention or a penny's profit away from it.
Job's has tempted our wallets with the iPad, it's a HUGE profit maker, he's made a magical promise to the consumer about how it's going to "wow" us to no end ... BUT ... more importantly he's promised, put his name on the line to hundreds if not thousands of Publishing companies that he's going to save their industry ... with a handsome cut for Apple of course ... now iAd's ...
here we go....
Really? So people don't care to spend an extra hundred dollars (compared to the previous generation) when looking at a MacBook Pro?
Think about it. People love the aluminum design of the MBP. They want one. If you increase the price by $100-$200 to include better specs, then many would opt not to buy one. And since they don't really dig the look of the white MB, then they might go look somewhere else (Dell, HP ,etc.).
Instead, if you offer them a nice looking aluminum Mac, which has all the processor power to handle what they need and more, and you offer it a reasonable price, the product has just become much more probable to be bought.
So yes, people buying a Mac have decided to spend a few extra bucks to get one, but there IS a limit were it just becomes too much.
To put an example. In my college the 13" aluminum MBP has become extremely popular. You don't see many white MBs. Why? Because people want to have the "Pro" aluminum Mac, the one that looks cool. They are willing to pay the extra $200 for going from the white MB to the MBP. But they might not be willing to pay an extra $100-$200 (from the already extra $200 from the MB).
I know, $100!! Come on, it's not that much! But the truth is that in your mind $300 do start to feel like too much. So I think Apple is making an excellent decision in offering an accessible MBP, which has much more power than most its user would ever need. They are obviously loosing some buyers, like some of the above posters, but my guess is these buyers are a very small percentage.
I'm not sure if I understood the meaning of your post.
But in my experience, while having owned other PCs, and with the PCs of friends and family, Macs tend to be much better lasting laptops. The only other brand which in my opinion builds high quality laptops is Thinkpad (Lenovo).
Dell, HP, Acer and Sony laptops generally start showing build problems after a couple of years.
Again, in my experience.
The sad thing is I was advising all these people holding out for some comprehensive bad boy pro upgrade from before last fall, and I was repeatedly berated for it. Now if only these people had listened the the voice of reason they would have future-proofed an investment mid last year, got on with their jobs earning mega bucks, and not waiting for some slight speed jump. Apple future-proofing happened last year and I advised you all about it at the time.
edit>> I notice the usual old skool defenders of the now old 13" the ones who used to berate me hourly are particularly silent today. What's wrong? Busy saving up for a 15" real bad boy pro?)
edit>> I notice the usual old skool defenders of the now old 13" the ones who used to berate me hourly are particularly silent today. What's wrong? Busy saving up for a 15" real bad boy pro?
)Because it looks cool? Ok obviously you have a totally different mindset for the usage of a computer if the because it looks cool can = 100-200$ extra dollars but 100$ for productivity is too much.
Why would you even by the new rev then? why not just all buy the previous model from the refurbished store?
They obviously totally missed the boat by wasting money on a rev.
Part dismay for the less that satisfactory upgrade, part dismay for yet another thread about this.
What a truly ignorant post. You are in no position to even fathom what most buyers need. So, take two steps back, place the cup with the Apple kool-aid in it on the floor, and just walk away.
Really.... Walk AWAY.
You're gonna want to calm yourself right down. Getting that worked up over a post on a computer forum is laughable.
Really.
What's laughable is your decision to comment on it 6+ hours after I posted it.
Really.
+2, I get a lot done on my 13" 2.53 and I get paid to use it, I doubt many on here do.
Instead of wasting time posting on a forum, why don't they get more work done? If the average whiner spends 20 minutes a day bitching on a forum, that is 5 days in a year. So instead of gaining a few seconds with the yearly upgraded tech, they gain 5 days of work time.
Ummm, pardon me, but as a pro user who shoots about 80-90K in digital and lots of medium format film per year, wouldn't it just be easier to do all that on a built up Mac Pro tower? That is what I use, 32GB of ram, raid, Imacon scanner, etc.
I have a 13" 2.53 with an Intel 160SSD and a 500 GB in an optibay enclosure, it rocks for on the road which I am spending most of the year due to a long term project. I understand that more is better, especially with CS5 now being 64 bit, but man, after awhile, you just need to get on with it...
RUMOR CONTROL ---- I am not an apple engineer, nor evangelist --- jsut a happy user... but I am a computer engineer and I like to think, forward thinker...
so here goes it: My theory of Apple and the small laptop.
Fact: They really didn't spend any time developing a new 13" model for 2010. Basically, they kept the 2009 model with minor updates to maintain pricing.
Fact: They have released what they hope becomes a revolution in mobile computing in the iPad.
Fact: The MacBook Air is underpowered -- but cool as hell (admit it)
Theory: They have some longer reaching plan, 2011...?, whereby the strategy of the 13", the Air and the iPad start to merge.
Does that result in one machine, who knows. But I can tell you, the form factor is the first thing that "most" people pick. (no insults or pretentions made) With those three devices with effectively the same form factor, Apple is looking at a heavy burden in cost upgrades.
Well, it's either that or they buy some telco company and start offering cell service.
so here goes it: My theory of Apple and the small laptop.
Fact: They really didn't spend any time developing a new 13" model for 2010. Basically, they kept the 2009 model with minor updates to maintain pricing.
Fact: They have released what they hope becomes a revolution in mobile computing in the iPad.
Fact: The MacBook Air is underpowered -- but cool as hell (admit it)
Theory: They have some longer reaching plan, 2011...?, whereby the strategy of the 13", the Air and the iPad start to merge.
Does that result in one machine, who knows. But I can tell you, the form factor is the first thing that "most" people pick. (no insults or pretentions made) With those three devices with effectively the same form factor, Apple is looking at a heavy burden in cost upgrades.
Well, it's either that or they buy some telco company and start offering cell service.
Because it looks cool? Ok obviously you have a totally different mindset for the usage of a computer if the because it looks cool can = 100-200$ extra dollars but 100$ for productivity is too much.
Why would you even by the new rev then? why not just all buy the previous model from the refurbished store?
The point is that they don't need more processor power, but they do appreciate the better looks.
So, for a last time, since apparently we just won't accept each other opinion: Apple realizes that they sell more because their laptops look "cool" (yes, cool), and not so much because they have the latest CPU or GPU. Looking "cool" is the biggest selling factor? Maybe not, but I certainly think it is bigger than the specs the computer have. Obviously Apple needs to offer something decent, I'm not saying they can offer a good looking computer with Pentium 3). =)
Most of the people I know don't have a single idea what C2D is, they could care less if their laptop has i5, i7 or C2D. Why? Because the mass market doesn't use Final Cut, or Photoshop or processor intensive apps. The normal activities they make are checking mail, surfing the web, using Office or iWork and using iPhoto. And for all these activities even a CD is enough.
So yes, people would gladly pay an extra for a good looking and well built computer, but they might not care to pay an extra for having the latest CPU.
After awhile? you mean 12 hours since it was announced?
It's not like I don't have a computer and I was giving that example to the other poster as a situation where a noticeable bump in speed could benefit a pro. In that reply i was just tired of everyone that keep saying oh it's good enough and no one uses the power. There are a lot of pros that use macs (you for example) that can benefit from faster speed? In fact everything in this thread i've posted is pretty much talking about the fact that
1) There is a market for a better mac pro 13"
2) People who buy mac pro 13"s can take advantage of the speed
Anything wrong with that exactly?
None of MBPs is a Pro machine
After todays's release it's official. There is no pro machines in MBP line. In addition to outdated graphics (no NVIDIA Quadro FX or ATI FirePro M7740) now they do not have any powerful CPUs as well (not a single model offers quad core CPU). Apple can call them all they want but the reality is that MBPs are middle of the line laptops (for semi-pros)
After todays's release it's official. There is no pro machines in MBP line. In addition to outdated graphics (no NVIDIA Quadro FX or ATI FirePro M7740) now they do not have any powerful CPUs as well (not a single model offers quad core CPU). Apple can call them all they want but the reality is that MBPs are middle of the line laptops (for semi-pros)
Agreed. I don't mind the specs or price of the 13", but I prefer the look of a white Macbook to the look of the aluminum body (I know the aluminum is superior, but the white looks pretter IMO).
I think it depends on who is working with the machine.
The macbook pro aren't "pro" if the person in front of the mac is not a "pro", too. You need to know your needs and a pro always knows. Than the 13" MBP could be the perfect machine for him.
The macbook pro aren't "pro" if the person in front of the mac is not a "pro", too. You need to know your needs and a pro always knows. Than the 13" MBP could be the perfect machine for him.