Let's be honest, the recently released 16” MBP was a minor step up for what you are probably going to buy and what feature you are not going to get due to someone incompetent work at Apple.
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The 16” MBP you should have bought in 2019
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Agreed. What irritates me is that based on what I've seen over 7 years of lurking, people on here are going to say that you're unappreciative and always asking for more. I think that's bupkis.
Apple fixed some things they got wrong before. Primarily, this was done by making the machine a tad bigger. They made a mistake, and now they've set it right. Note though, that this implies that they've merely caught up to where they should have been with the 2016 release. It's not an advancement, you know?
Though I will disagree with the "Scissor Keyboard 2" point. I think Apple should have genuinely redesigned Butterfly. Not put a little membrane on top of it like they were forced to do in the small 15" chassis, but actually alter the switch design. Make it taller, stiffer, and give it more travel. It could have been the ultimate switch at that point, and been spacious enough for nothing to get stuck in it. Instead we have the Magic Keyboard, which I personally dislike.
Apple fixed some things they got wrong before. Primarily, this was done by making the machine a tad bigger. They made a mistake, and now they've set it right. Note though, that this implies that they've merely caught up to where they should have been with the 2016 release. It's not an advancement, you know?
Though I will disagree with the "Scissor Keyboard 2" point. I think Apple should have genuinely redesigned Butterfly. Not put a little membrane on top of it like they were forced to do in the small 15" chassis, but actually alter the switch design. Make it taller, stiffer, and give it more travel. It could have been the ultimate switch at that point, and been spacious enough for nothing to get stuck in it. Instead we have the Magic Keyboard, which I personally dislike.
Magsafe would be awesome for sure. However it's not the end of the world as there's several well functioning adapters on amazon.
At this point though a higher DPI screen is just meaningless. It's already higher resolution than the eye can make out from normal sitting distance and if you're leaning in 8 inches from the screen, you're doing it wrong.
From what I hear though on the phones that have it, 120htz is pretty battery draining isn't it? I mean it would certainly be cool for the next imac but it kinda kills the point of a laptop if the battery is going to need to be plugged in at any point during the day.
At this point though a higher DPI screen is just meaningless. It's already higher resolution than the eye can make out from normal sitting distance and if you're leaning in 8 inches from the screen, you're doing it wrong.
From what I hear though on the phones that have it, 120htz is pretty battery draining isn't it? I mean it would certainly be cool for the next imac but it kinda kills the point of a laptop if the battery is going to need to be plugged in at any point during the day.
All depends on perspective. I’m upgrading from a 2011 15” MBP it will be a huge upgrade. in 9 years when I upgrade next people will be here complaining about something the 2028 MBP don’t have.
Having played with a butterfly switch up close, I wonder if it's something that would actually be worse in feel with more travel. One of the features of the butterfly switch that I like is the tactility, but with more travel it would likely collapse a lot harder and make it impossible to type lightly.
I'm mostly with you here though. I actually do like the feel of the butterflies, but I also appreciate the scissor switch 2 ...at least on new models that haven't been broken in yet. Otherwise, I'm generally not a fan of the squishier feel of scissor switches.
I am happy to see that they returned to the inverted T for the arrow keys. The lack of arrow keys that you can easily feel is one thing that I've loathed to no end the past few years.
This is true, but having to force myself to type lightly is exactly the one thing I dislike about Butterfly. I have no problem doing that for small spans of time, but it can become irritating to sustain it. So I wouldn't mind a collapsing, super-tactile Butterfly.
This is such a great point. A lot of people look at mechanical keyboard users and assume that they hate scissor switches, but most don't. They can feel great when new. The real problem is just how rapidly they degrade and turn to true mush. Butterfly is technically rubber dome, but it somehow doesn't have this issue.
Mmm. Why bother contributing to this forum at all if all you want to do is "BoycottCookApple" as the name suggests? Don't you have more important things to do than pontificate about a tech vendor you'd seemingly rather avoid on a forum that is presumably of no relevance to you? People on the inter web confuse me sometimes 
The MBP 16 spec is what is it. If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's quite simple.
The MBP 16 spec is what is it. If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's quite simple.
it's not so much about making the screen higher DPI but matching the screen's physical resolution back up with the scaled resolution it defaults to - it was changed to 1680x1050 with the 2016 model, but the screen stayed at 2880x1800 so it was no longer integer scaled. This does take some of the sharpness off the screen and to be honest you're paying enough for this machine I don't think its unreasonable to expect a proper @2x scaling 3360x2100, or whatever that translates to with the added resolution on the 16".
It's got more and faster cores, better thermal cooling, can take more RAM and has a better keyboard than my 2018 machine. Thats exactly what I needed. Don't care about 120Hz display, OLED, 4K, symmetric bezels, wifi6, or any of that other jazz. (ok I'll grant you magsafe - I would have liked it)
People want/need different things OP. If it doens't have what you don't want don't buy it. simples.
People want/need different things OP. If it doens't have what you don't want don't buy it. simples.
Razer has a 17" 4K laptop with 120hz. The display is not very color accurate and doesn't get very bright. The battery also lasts only a few hours.
No way to get that symmetric bezel without a notch.
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I don't think you have to type lightly. I hammered the keyboard on my 2016 MBP because I wanted it to break so I could get a new battery. It finally broke, but not in the way I thought it would. I hit it way harder than a mere hard typist would have and fractured off one of the keycaps... which is how I got my close up inspection of the butterfly mechanism.
Anyway, I do need to type lightly. I have chronic RSI. A lot of people like me probably wouldn't be able to type at all on a longer throw butterfly that collapsed hard. You'd just bottom out way too hard. It'd be like a buckling spring... which I used to love before I had hand pain so I understand whatcha like.
That's because the tactility also comes from the collapse of the butterfly. You are simultaneously getting tactility from the butterfly mechanism as well as the rubber dome at the same time. Some people with unresponsive keys have resorted to putting an extender on the nub of the keycap that is in contact with the rubber dome to bypass the butterfly. I tested this myself. The rubber dome is surprisingly snappy in MBPs. They're to a normal rubber dome the way a electrocapacitive dome is to a standard dome... same sort of mechanism, but worlds apart in quality.
It's still surprisingly tactile without the butterfly, but not as crisp feeling.
What you said about scissor switches (and rubber dome boards) when they're new is so true. There was a period of a few years after I wore out the last of my classic mechanical keyboards, but hadn't yet figured out that there was a growing niche market for mechanicals. I just kept buying ordinary cheap rubber dome keyboards. I went through 2-4 a year for several years.
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It’s color accuracy is improved after calibration, the 16” MacBook Pro lost a good 85 nits itself compared to the 15”, and most importantly, maybe its battery is terrible because of the monster RTX 2080 inside, hmm?
The iPad Pro’s screen is plenty bright and accurate, and by using variable refresh rate, Apple’s able to give it excellent battery life. I’m sure they can accomplish this for the MacBook Pro too.
My God, its unbelivable how Apple will never win with some of you. It doesn't matter what they do you still find a reason to complain about something. They've released the best laptop they've ever made, fixing so many things that were wrong with the previous models, and you STILL complain.
Maybe it's time you go to another manufacturer that makes the "perfect" laptop you are looking for and has every single solitary feature known to mankind built into it.
Maybe it's time you go to another manufacturer that makes the "perfect" laptop you are looking for and has every single solitary feature known to mankind built into it.
I would redirect you back to post #2
- the whole point is they've gone through and corrected a lot of glaring issues and made a great 2016 computer, but it's now 2019 and the standards have moved on again. Ordinarily we would be expecting a fresh design cycle starting in 2020, and undoubtedly they would be looking at things like HDR, resolution, refresh rate for the screen, incorporating FaceID, re-evaluating ports again (should the SD card reader return given the photo-video heavy market for this computer? If we bring back MagSafe, that allows us to increase the power budget over 100W, should we do that?) and some new 'tentpole' feature to be the focus of the machine.Ultimately they've fixed everything that was putting me off the 2016-2019 15" machines, and finally made a great 4th gen MacBook Pro - but this isn't a substitute for the next proper redesign as it only brings fixes, not new features. This doesn't feel like the 5th gen MacBook Pro, and I mean that's ok, as long as we're not waiting another full 4 year cycle for it. As an interim to take us up to the mini LED HDR model in 2021, it will serve perfectly fine.
It will be my firstm Mac and i'm happy for be patient and wait until the release. For me this is a very great update from my 2011 HP Pavilion dv6.
I would redirect you back to post #2
Ultimately they've fixed everything that was putting me off the 2016-2019 15" machines, and finally made a great 4th gen MacBook Pro - but this isn't a substitute for the next proper redesign as it only brings fixes, not new features. This doesn't feel like the 5th gen MacBook Pro, and I mean that's ok, as long as we're not waiting another full 4 year cycle for it. As an interim to take us up to the mini LED HDR model in 2021, it will serve perfectly fine.
Yeah I've read #2, and its still complaining from someone who knows they are complaining but doesn't like to be labeled as one. FaceID, Magsafe, more ports, etc. may all eventually return to their laptop line, but until then these types of threads are just complainers doing their usual thing in here.
They certainly would. But in 2019, none of these features are realistic. I find it hilarious that people like OP are throwing tantrums because they expect technology that doesn't reasonably exist anywhere. We will get HDR once next-gen micro-LED is production-ready. Resolution is perfectly fine, there is no reason to increase the PPI. FaceID is still too large to fit in the display assembly. Refresh rate — it is not yet practical to produce larger high-quality,high-res 120Hz panels commercially. Apple can do it for the iPad Pro, but that is a much smaller screen. We will get this once the tech matures. Probably a year or two.
Everyone possesses the right to complain and feedback is essentially crucial for developing a better MBP. There is no harm to point out something is wrong with Apple products that can be further improved.
Constructive feedback. What you wrote was just a random rant, without any explanation or reasoning, while accusing people of incompetence.
Don't try to vilify someone's thoughts on certain products because people are absolutely entitled to express their opinion regardless if is in an unorthodox manner.