The 2009 (Penryn) iMac: Everything We Know

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  1. Flying Dutchman macrumors regular

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    Slight niggle here: Please, please, PLEASE keep this discussion limited to the iMac. If someone wants to make a thread for the xMac like this, I would be happy to see one, but don't post any xMac ramblings here, please. Thank you in advance.

    Updated to reflect posts as of 2/27/2009; 6:15 PM (GMT+1)

    This thread exists to compile information about the iMac's next update. This needs to actually happen. As of 2/27/2009, it has been 305 days since an update, which is a lot more than the average of 211.

    This first post will be edited as we gain more and more clarified information. The newest additions will be in red. Italics denote specs upon which we have not agreed or can never know before release.

    Hardware Specifications:

    Processor options (new till the end of the processor section)
    Mobile CPUs (dual-core): 2.4 GHz to 3.2/3.33 GHz, 1067 MHz FSB The "base" possibility

    The 3.07 GHz CPU was an overclocked version of the then current Penryn, for Apple. Therefore, it's 10 W hotter than the current 3.07 GHz CPU. Reasoning from that, it may be possible for Intel to deliver one or two speed bumps from the 3.07 GHz, for a 3.2/3.33 GHz 55 W CPU in the iMac.

    Mobile CPUs (quad-core): 2.0 GHz, 2.27 GHz, 2.53 GHz, 1067 MHz FSB

    These CPUs max out at 45 W, so Intel may be able to deliver a 55 W version at 2.67 (or so) GHz for the iMac, or a cheaper one (than the 2.0 GHz) for 55 W.

    Desktop CPUs (dual-core): 2.53~2.93 GHz (1067 MHz FSB), 2.67~3.5 GHz (1333 MHz FSB)

    Desktop CPUs (quad-core): 2.33 GHz, 2.67 GHz, 2.83 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB

    These CPUs are the energy-efficient ones released recently. They are 65 W as opposed to the 95 W of most other quads. Rumors claimed that they would find their way into upcoming iMacs. They are quite cheap compared to high-end desktop CPUs, so price-wise, it is possible that they will go in the entire iMac lineup. However, it may be that the 20" iMac may be too small to effectively handle the 65 W TDP of these CPUs, so they might have to stay mobile dual-core. If that happens, then the gap between the 20" and 24" iMacs would increase. Intel may release a 3.0 GHz version for Apple that costs significantly more than the 2.83 GHz. That would basically remove the loss in GHz from the current dual-cores.

    2GB 1066MHz DDR3 RAM standard, up to 4GB officially and 6GB unofficially
    320GB in the basemodel up to a 1TB in the high end, with the possibility of a 1,5/2TB drive
    nVidia graphics with the most plausible ones being; 9400GT for the base, a 9600 256mb GT, a 9600 512mb GT and a higher end model which is still undecided
    SuperDrive on all models at 16x

    I/O:
    3 USB 2.0
    1 FW800
    Mini DisplayPort (Mini DisplayPort-single link DVI adapter in the box)
    Gigabit Ethernet
    AirPort Extreme & Bluetooth 2.1 EDR
    Analog audio input and output

    Things we won't see:
    USB 3.0 (2010, people)
    WiMax (You caught it this time, didn't you?)
    Blu-ray (more on this below)

    Narrative
    :

    Well the rumors actually already started before there was any real evidence. Somewhere in July however there was a claim about a Chinese manufacturer who said that Apple had placed an order of 800.000 All in one pcs. This being the iMac ofcourse.
    Nobody however asked any questions about it then because everybody was confident it would be presented at MacWorld. It didn't sadly enough.

    Then ofcourse the rumormill started running mainly about the specs, because a redesign would be rediculous, since the rest of the Apple line up has been matched to the design of the iMac. And quickly the question became; will it have quad-core. About this, sadly, no evidence has been presented.

    Around the end of December a small piece of info presented itself; a tag for the next gen iMac in a firmware update for the nVidia graphics in several Apple computers. Regulary this would be pretty big. Accept, the current iMacs already have nVidia chipsets. But bigger of a rumor started when an article said that the cooling for the iMac had to be redesigned. See, thats what we wanted to hear. Because; more heat comes from things that suck more power and things that suck more power are most of the time more powerfull. This indicated that the iMac would either be getting a faster dual-core, a quad core or/and faster graphics.

    Then final rumor came only a week ago. Apple warned its retailers for a shortage for at least the high end model and the mainstream one's after that. And it'd be coming in the coming weeks So, buckle up for the coming weeks because that new iMac is coming. This isn't too sure anymore. My guess is now either half March, due to several articles which claim postponement every time, or end 2009/2010, because of some trouble with the third party delays of a new infrastructure but let's pray I/they are wrong...


    The Little Things:

    FireWire: Removing it entirely seems to be really likely, but removing the 400 for an (extra) 800 isn't that unlikely, since the Mac mini is their base desktop. I don't think this will happen, but it's worth mentioning.

    Mini DisplayPort: This is pretty enivitable since Apple announced with their laptops this would be applied on all new Macs.

    Redesign Talk:

    No way. Already said why.

    Explanation Section:

    Blu-ray: Not yet. Its still too much "a bag of hurt" for Apple. And like my collegue Tallest Skil mentioned:
    " I believe that they don't care about Blu-ray in ANY market and will only add it when they are forced to admit that broadband Internet infrastructure is progressing too slowly for Super Hi-Vision iTunes movies to be a viable option. I stand by the 2015 date. If there is any evidence to the contrary, please post it."

    If I missed anything, let me know and I will add it. Please also correct me if I have messed up and tell me what goes in the blanks that I have left. Thanks!

    Layout was ripped from Tallest Skil, all kudo's go to him :)

    Contributors:
    iMacmatician - processor options
    spcdust - Intel vs nVidia article
     
  2. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Post changed to remove irrelevancy:

    Epic first post edit... May this thread spell the end to the current set of hundreds of "NEOW IMAKZ?!?!??!?!/!?/1/11/?1" threads.
     
  3. RichardI macrumors 6502a

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    Some good guesses there, I think. But a 260GTX in an iMac? I don't think it would even fit would it?
    I'd be surprised if they didn't update the optical drive to 16X though - 8X is history.
    Quad core? If that happens they will tempt me into thinking about trading up......:)

    Rich :cool:
     
  4. wrkngclasshero macrumors regular

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    This is one of the more rationale "new imac" threads I've seen in the past few weeks so I figured I'd stop in.

    I can't really argue with your points (and arguing "new imac" rumors has been a bit of a hobby these days) and I agree with Skil that late Feb seems plausable, and while it could still be completely wrong it does give me a small glint of hope.

    Thanks for the reasonable post in a time of unreasonableness!
     
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    Nicely done dutchman, this doesn't annoy me like most of the iMac threads. I would also call this "All from new iMac" thread, because you gathered all information that we have (all which has some back up).
     
  6. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    I suggest a thread rename:

    The 2009 (Penryn) iMac: Everything We Know

    :D:cool:
     
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    That's what I meant :D Thread's name isn't very attractive now
     
  8. lewchenko macrumors regular

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    not a chance with the 260..

    I have one in my PC and its huge.
    Apple has always lagged behind on the GPU's though in the iMac unfortunately.. so expect something low end by PC standards these days (if you are a gamer).. something like an AMD 4830 or a 9800GT at most... which is a problem is you have the 24" screen and want to game with modern releases as at 1920x1200 the GPU will struggle. Its a good fit for the 20" iMac though.

    It is very frustrating to be honest. With apple's desktop sales plummeting in the last quarter they will surely know that their entire desktop line up is now 'dated'. With 3 lines that need updates though.. how will they do it ?

    One big day to announce new pro's, imacs, and minis ? Or milk out the media for say 3 weeks straight with a new announcement each week.

    Either way... Apple has to release in this quarter otherwise the financials will be a bloodbath for 'desktop sales' even if overall the sale of laptops bolsters the bottom line.
     
  9. xgman macrumors 601

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    Agree with that 100%. We would be lucky to get that in the new Mac pro let alone the imac. Apple is very stingy on graphic hardware. Usually 2 generations behind at all times. :(
     
  10. 63dot macrumors 603

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    The speculation of a quad iMac sounds more like a "demand" which Apple listens to more often than not. We wanted a consumer laptop ten years ago and Apple delivered. We wanted an Apple cell phone and they delivered. It would be nice to eventually have quads in every machine, with the Mac Pro having more or even a yet unnamed higher end processor.
     
  11. iParis macrumors 68040

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    Very good predictions. Care to do a prediction like this for the Mac mini?:D
     
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    Part of the reason, is the iMac's thin form factor.

    SJ on one hand wants it as thin as can be. On the other hand, there needs to be space for all components. Somewhere in the middle is the compromise.
     
  13. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    I propose a series!

    The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know
    The 2009 (Penryn) iMac: Everything We Know
    The 2009 (Penryn) Mac Mini: Everything We Know

    And, of course,

    The 20?? (Core i7) xMac: Why It Won't Happen
     
  14. iParis macrumors 68040

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    Lets do it! We need some major threads for all of those. The Mac Pro already has one and the iMac just got it. Now I'm in the mood to make the Mac mini one, I'll probably do that at later on since I'm at school.
    I believe if you remember some of my older post you of all people would know that I want an upgraded Mac mini, NOW.

    OH, and don't forget we need to make a huge thread about something very imparticuar and you'll be with me on this...
    The "iPhone Nano:" Why It Won't Happen:p
     
  15. Hellhammer Moderator

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    Go for 'em dude. You are the best to make them, 'cause you know more than others. I've looked at your Mac Pro thread and it was very good.

    I don't want to start anymore speculations but I'm 90% sure that we'll see iPhone Nano sooner or later. Now is good hole to put it to market because of economy issues.
     
  16. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Done and done. Well, I did a Mac Mini one. We decided that this one is the iMac one, yes? If so, OP, change the title to follow this pattern! :D
     
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    Good. These were really needed, no more those dozens of threads about same thing.
     
  18. Flying Dutchman thread starter macrumors regular

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    Geez where did I read something awesomely similar to that title... HMMMM ;)

    However this may sound pretty noobish but I can't find how to edit the thread title?

    That would be pretty silly don't you think? The 4830 is less powerfull than a 8800GS and the 9800GT eh... IS the 8800GS (little bit higher clock, no more). Plus, if it is true about the new cooling system a upgrade in graphics chip wouldn't be that rediculous.
     
  19. iParis macrumors 68040

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    That's the point, we want to the Mac mini, Mac Pro, and iMac to all have their own "everything we know" thread.
    To change the title go to your first post and click "edit" then click "go advanced."
     
  20. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    I'm with you on this. :)
     
  21. Bryan Bowler macrumors 68040

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    Flying Dutchman, this is an excellent thread. Thank you!
     
  22. Reventon macrumors 6502

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    Wow, awesome. Glad someone decided to do a thread like this. It'll really help with my iMac purchase when it comes out, thanks. :)
     
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    What's with the two mini display ports? Why would that be needed?

    Everything else makes pretty good sense.
     
  24. gianpan macrumors member

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    TBH, I will be disappointed if iMac comes in dual cores. I mean 2.4ghz dual core is what we already got. At least for the 24'' I want to see nothing but quad core and 9600GT 512MB (we need more VRAM due to the resolution). There should also be 9800GT option.

    And also why 6gb RAM unofficialy? Now that snow leopard will support that much RAM, I think it will be wise to offer up to 8GB RAM officially.
     
  25. Isurus macrumors newbie

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    I definitely agree about the RAM. With the 17" MacBook Pro moving to a max of 8 GIG, I would expect any iMac revision to do the same.
     

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