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The fact that he had a long contract with Southampton obviously contributed to the price.
But sadly since the Bosman ruling their have been too many clubs loosing out as investments move on for free or next to nothing.

Newcastle still only one goal down despite Man City having 82% of the ball and numerous shots on goal.

Well, once upon a distant time, I studied law for a few unhappy years.

Suffice to say that I don't (and didn't) have a quarrel with the Bosman ruling per se - just with how it has come to be expressed as immature (and bottomlessly entitled and insufferably greedy) young men think that the world owes them - endlessly......when, actually, it doesn't......
 
Well, once upon a distant time, I studied law for a few unhappy years.

Suffice to say that I don't (and didn't) have a quarrel with the Bosman ruling per se - just with how it has come to be expressed as immature (and bottomlessly entitled and insufferably greedy) young men think that the world owes them - endlessly......when, actually, it doesn't......
Oh agreed. In principle I think there is some good in the ruling. I just thing the pendulum has swung so far in favour of the player, it's hardly worth bothering nurturing young talent anymore.
Take West Ham. We used to be known as the academy due to all the young talent we brought through. Now we just buy in average players for 20-30 million.
 
Barcelona poaches Liverpool's best players, Liverpool poaches Southampton's best players, and Southampton poaches the best players from smaller English and continental clubs....

...whether this is "fair" depends, as Obi Wan Kenobi says, on your point of view.

Inflation has run wild, of course. Average players cost tens of millions of pounds, proven "good" players are rarely available for less than 30-40 million, and the prices of "star" players have reached truly interstellar levels. There is talk that the world's first billion-pound player has already been born.

In this stage of the Bosman era keeping a player has become virtually impossible - the best you can do is make a lot of money on him and poach another, less-wealthy team's best player as a replacement. Richer teams exploit smaller teams all the way down the football pyramid and across the globe.

Contracts exist only to inflate transfer fees, rather than to realistically define length of tenure at a club.

Liverpool badly need a better centerback, and their willingness to spend this fee reflects that, though they do seem to have put all their eggs in one basket with van Dijk. And he will still be playing in front of Mignolet or Karius, neither of whom cut the mustard given where Klopp wants to be finishing.
 
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Barcelona poaches Liverpool's best players, Liverpool poaches Southampton's best players, and Southampton poaches the best players from smaller English and continental clubs....

...whether this is "fair" depends, as Obi Wan Kenobi says, on your point of view.

Inflation has run wild, of course. Average players cost tens of millions of pounds, proven "good" players are rarely available for less than 30-40 million, and the prices of "star" players have reached truly interstellar levels. There is talk that the world's first billion-pound player has already been born.

In this stage of the Bosman era keeping a player has become virtually impossible - the best you can do is make a lot of money on him and poach another, less-wealthy team's best player as a replacement. Richer teams exploit smaller teams all the way down the football pyramid and across the globe.

Contracts exist only to inflate transfer fees, rather than to realistically define length of tenure at a club.

Liverpool badly need a better centerback, and their willingness to spend this fee reflects that, though they do seem to have put all their eggs in one basket with van Dijk. And he will still be playing in front of Mignolet or Karius, neither of whom cut the mustard given where Klopp wants to be finishing.
If you need a better keeper, Hart is available!
PLEASE take him off our bench where he is costing us tens of thousands a week!
 
Hm.

I used to think that Joe Hart was simply unlucky or misfortunate; I will admit that my views are undergoing modification, and I now suspect that he is not all that good, at all.
I think goal keeping relies on a lot of confidence. As a defender you play better knowing there is a safe pair of hands behind you. Even more so if they are vocal directing the back four.
Take your super back four of yesteryear. The fact that they had David Seamen in goal boosted their confidence. In turn they helped him by giving him less shots to save!
I don't blame Hart completely for our terrible goal difference (third worse in the league), but it's no coincidence that we have been leaking less goals since Adrian came back.

Hart has lost his confidence in his own ability, and the rest of the team have lost confidence in him. Not sure where he goes from here.
 
I think goal keeping relies on a lot of confidence. As a defender you play better knowing there is a safe pair of hands behind you. Even more so if they are vocal directing the back four.
Take your super back four of yesteryear. The fact that they had David Seamen in goal boosted their confidence. In turn they helped him by giving him less shots to save!
I don't blame Hart completely for our terrible goal difference (third worse in the league), but it's no coincidence that we have been leaking less goals since Adrian came back.

Hart has lost his confidence in his own ability, and the rest of the team have lost confidence in him. Not sure where he goes from here.

In truth, I think Joe Hart's clear confidence problem goes back a good while, and long predates his move to West Ham.

Having said that, a good defence will boost a keeper, while - agreed - a defence will play better knowing that the keeper's judgment and reflexes can be trusted, and that comes from confidence.
 
In truth, I think Joe Hart's clear confidence problem goes back a good while, and long predates his move to West Ham.

Having said that, a good defence will boost a keeper, while - agreed - a defence will play better knowing that the keeper's judgment and reflexes can be trusted, and that comes from confidence.
And our back four is hardly impenetrable! To be fair our main issue isn't with our first choice defenders, but those that cover due to injury or suspension.
 
And our back four is hardly impenetrable! To be fair our main issue isn't with our first choice defenders, but those that cover due to injury or suspension.

But this lack of strength in depth is a problem with a number of clubs outside of the top six or seven.

The other problem is the increasing tendency to buy in solutions rather than nurturing them - but, as quite a number of the smaller clubs are painfully discovering - if you nurture and cultivate someone who may become a decent footballer, a larger club will - more than likely - snap them up, and while, financially, you may well receive a reasonable return on your investment of time, support, and emotional energy, from a footballing perspective, you will not receive that benefit of that player's full development.

Mind you, the big clubs can make absolute howlers, too; Manchester United selling Pogba in the first place most certainly falls into this category.
 
But this lack of strength in depth is a problem with a number of clubs outside of the top six or seven.

The other problem is the increasing tendency to buy in solutions rather than nurturing them - but, as quite a number of the smaller clubs are painfully discovering - if you nurture and cultivate someone who may become a decent footballer, a larger club will - more than likely - snap them up, and while, financially, you may well receive a reasonable return on your investment of time, support, and emotional energy, from a footballing perspective, you will not receive that benefit of that player's full development.

Mind you, the big clubs can make absolute howlers, too; Manchester United selling Pogba in the first place most certainly falls into this category.
I think the days when a youngster would rather play in the lower leagues or for a top 4 side are largely gone.
Lefts say 20 years ago a teenager is offered a place at the Manchester City academy or the West Ham one.
I think there used to be a thought process that if I go to West Ham I'll get brought through the ranks and get into the first team before moving on to a better club.
These days they are happy to go to a top club, and may never get a chance. The number of school boys at the top clubs who then get released is astounding. Lots of wasted talent. Many of whom never recover from the experience.
 
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I think the days when a youngster would rather play in the lower leagues or for a top 4 side are largely gone.
Lefts say 20 years ago a teenager is offered a place at the Manchester City academy or the West Ham one.
I think there used to be a thought process that if I go to West Ham I'll get brought through the ranks and get into the first team before moving on to a better club.
These days they are happy to go to a top club, and may never get a chance. The number of school boys at the top clubs who then get released is astounding. Lots of wasted talent. Many of whom never recover from the experience.


Very good post and very good point.

I've read a number of thought-provoking articles on the devastating effect it can have on talented (but maybe not quite sufficiently talented) schoolboy footballers to be discarded, - their confidence and self-belief is shattered, as they had come to define themselves as footballers, and nothing else - especially when they are qualified for little else, and have become used to the academy lifestyle where everything is organised for you, just as it is for the fully professional players.

At least, twenty years ago, many footballers had a trade they could return to, if things didn't work out - and a very tiny number make a point of getting an education which may have included a degree.
 
I wouldn't touch Hart with a 10-foot pole. He has been a very good keeper in the past, but his form has dipped and his confidence is shot after years of badgering by the press, inflated expectations and so forth.

If Klopp wants to improve on Mignolet, he'll probably have to spend big. Assuming that van Dijk is not a flop, the addition of a quality goalkeeper would all but guarantee a top four finish in my opinion. Having said that, I have not heard anything to indicate that Klopp is thinking about buying a keeper...though we need one, since Karius has not yet shown sufficient signs of improvement and Mignolet...is Mignolet.
 
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I wouldn't touch Hart with a 10-foot pole. He has been a very good keeper in the past, but his form has dipped and his confidence is shot after years of badgering by the press, inflated expectations and so forth.

If Klopp wants to improve on Mignolet, he'll probably have to spend big. Assuming that van Dijk is not a flop, the addition of a quality goalkeeper would all but guarantee a top four finish in my opinion. Having said that, I have not heard anything to indicate that Klopp is thinking about buying a keeper...though we need one, since Karius has not yet sahown signs of improvement and Mignolet...is Mignolet.
I agree. I think Hart's future lies overseas. China or the US.

Also I think a good keeper will help you, but securing a top four place might have more to do with who you manage to keep hold of in January rather than who you bring in.
 
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I wouldn't touch Hart with a 10-foot pole. He has been a very good keeper in the past, but his form has dipped and his confidence is shot after years of badgering by the press, inflated expectations and so forth.

If Klopp wants to improve on Mignolet, he'll probably have to spend big. Assuming that van Dijk is not a flop, the addition of a quality goalkeeper would all but guarantee a top four finish in my opinion. Having said that, I have not heard anything to indicate that Klopp is thinking about buying a keeper...though we need one, since Karius has not yet shown sufficient signs of improvement and Mignolet...is Mignolet.

The Guardian suggested the possibility of purchasing Kevin Trapp to replace Mignolet, but did make the point that - assuming van Dijk is not a flop (and nothing in his career to date suggests that he might be) - that a good goal-keeper might also be an investment worth considering.

But, with a decent defence and a good goalie, Liverpool should be serious contenders for at least a top four spot.

I agree. I think Hart's future lies overseas. China or the US.

Also I think a good keeper will help you, but securing a top four place might have more to do with who you manage to keep hold of in January rather than who you bring in.

Agree with you both that Hart's best days are well behind him in terms of offering anything to a seriously competitive football league as his confidence really seems to have evaporated. Perhaps his future does indeed lie abroad.
 
The Guardian suggested the possibility of purchasing Kevin Trapp to replace Mignolet, but did make the point that - assuming van Dijk is not a flop (and nothing in his career to date suggests that he might be) - that a good goal-keeper might also be an investment worth considering.

But, with a decent defence and a good goalie, Liverpool should be serious contenders for at least a top four spot.



Agree with you both that Hart's best days are well behind him in terms of offering anything to a seriously competitive football league as his confidence really seems to have evaporated. Perhaps his future does indeed lie abroad.
Just as long as it isn't in an England shirt!
 
I'd love to have Pickford. The chance of him crossing the city to Liverpool is pretty close to zero, of course.

Liverpool have scored more goals than any team apart from Man City, so it stands to reason that they would be farther up the table if they shipped less. Given that Klopp will always play the slightly risky gegenpress, the only way to tighten up the defense is through better players or players better adapted to his style.

Liverpool are well behind the richest clubs in terms of pocket money, but they are far from the poorest, so I still don't see why they can't poach a better keeper from somewhere. They tried the sort out the position and it hasn't worked out - time to admit that and rectify things, this summer at the latest. Perhaps Klopp still believes Karius will come good (and it's not out of the question), but I doubt that is his master plan for the goalkeeping position.
 
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Crystal Palace made it interesting, but Arsenal get the win with two from Sanchez, who will be gone next season.

3rd through 6th are grouped tightly in the table, as are the teams in the relegation battle. Mourinho's Man Utd are the only team with nothing to play for at the moment, though they could get drawn into a race for 4th if they drop many more points.
 
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Crystal Palace made it interesting, but Arsenal get the win with two from Sanchez, who will be gone next season.

3rd through 6th are grouped tightly in the table, as are the teams in the relegation battle. Mourinho's Man Utd are the only team with nothing to play for at the moment, though they could get drawn into a race for 4th if they drop many more points.
Basically Burnley to Watford have nothing to play for.
Everyone else is either in a relegation battle or chasing a top four finish.
 
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