Southgate says he wants a year out of the game, and I don’t blame him. Those 10 games or so as an international manager must really take its toll!
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Arsenal fans for the women's team are brutal, their recent 3 games one draw and 2 loses and the fans been shouting for the manager to be sacked. Well they got their wish because Arsenal's Women's manager Jonas Eidevall has resigned.
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Jonas Eidevall: Arsenal head coach resigns after three years in charge
Arsenal confirm that head coach Jonas Eidevall has resigned after just over three years in charge.
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Ahhh yes, just like the thousands of business men and women who work 1-2 days a month for a couple of million £££ a year and then complain they need an extended holiday because they are exhausted.
If Southgate is saying he want's a year out of the game there is no way he is going to handle a full league season as a manager then. Two weeks in and he'd be complaining that's it's he's done for the season lol.
I personally do not think he will make England team into winners. Winning the Champions league does not make him an international winning manager which numerous people in the football world seem to think it does. He will get them to quarter finals and semi finals for sure but that is as far as it will go in my opinion. As an England supporter I hope I am wrong.
The job of the England manager is very different from club management. You have to take a bunch of rivals who play against each other week in week out, and get them playing together.
You also don’t have as much time with your team as a club manager.
Plus if you don’t have a strong person in a particular position you can’t just transfer one in. You have to play with the players you can choose from.
You have to build around the outstanding players you have even if they don’t really suit your chosen formation.
On the plus side you get paid a fortune for working a few weeks a year. The rest of the time you can watch football for free and call it work!
In other footballing news I read 86 year old Alex Ferguson is losing his Man Utd advisor role. Part of the savings the new owners are putting into place. Apparently he’s been receiving £2 million a year for advising Utd. I think I’d be asking for a refund!
You also don’t have as much time with your team as a club manager.
Plus if you don’t have a strong person in a particular position you can’t just transfer one in. You have to play with the players you can choose from.
You have to build around the outstanding players you have even if they don’t really suit your chosen formation.
On the plus side you get paid a fortune for working a few weeks a year. The rest of the time you can watch football for free and call it work!
In other footballing news I read 86 year old Alex Ferguson is losing his Man Utd advisor role. Part of the savings the new owners are putting into place. Apparently he’s been receiving £2 million a year for advising Utd. I think I’d be asking for a refund!
When Alex Ferguson retired he was never taken on as an advisor, he was given two roles, one as a non executive member of the board and an ambassador. He could still tender and offer advice whilst a board member BUT his paid role was that of an ambassador. The club have a number of ambassadors, ex-players and sometimes ex-coaches who go around the country and the world promoting the club, singing it's praises and promoting it's past history and glory via all forms of the media (television, papers, social media, interviews, events)
From what I have read from the Manchester Evening news paper, the current United ambassadors are Dwight York, Andy Cole, Bryan Robson, Dennis Irwin, Ji-sung Park and Sir Alex Ferguson.
It is more than likely Sir Alex Ferguson has been removed as an ambassador because of his age, he's 82. He is not going to be able to get around promoting the club as easily as those younger than him and paying him £2.6 million for something he is doing less and less is not sound investment.
One of the things that INEOS are changing is in no longer allowing board members/senior members of the club into the dressing room during match days. Michael Carrick has spoken about this and his said during his playing days he took some comfort in the fact that at every home game Sir Bobby Charlton would come in giving the lads an uplifting pep talk about how good they were or bad luck when they lost and wishing them all the best for the next game.
That will never happen now with other club legends because Sir Jim Ratcliffe has banned it.
And Tuchel seems a lot more like a club manager than the opposite.
It's seems to me he entered his Mourinho phase. He has exhausted his potential as a top manager and started the ride on the gravy train.
I may be wrong. We'll see.
I do think the position of national manager should be no different to that of club manager when a person is plying their trade to be a manager which is starting off at lower division teams to learn the job and get much needed experience and then move up through the divisions. The same should be applied to national managers, once a manager has become very experienced at club management, find a low ranked country that could benefit from an experience club manager, learn the differences to club management and national management and then move up through the ranks to the top national teams. Some managers are better than others who would not need to do that.
I looked through the list of men's world cup winners, who their manager was, their nationality and how long it took them from starting as national manager to winning the world cup. The managers nationality is in brackets
2022 - Argentina - Lionel Scaloni (Argentina) 4 years
2018 - France - Didier Deschamps (France) 6 years
2014 - Germany - Joachim Low (Germany) 8 years
2010 - Spain - Vincente del Bosque (Spain) 2 years
2006 - Italy - Marrcello Lippi (Italy) 2 years
2002 - Brazil - Luiz Felipe Scolari (Brazil) 1 year
1998 - France - Aime Jacquet (France) 5 years
1994 - Brazil - Carlos Alberto Parreira (Brazil) 3 years
1990 - West Germany - Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 6 years
With the exception of Joachim Low you can see that since 1990, it takes up to 6 years for a national manager to win the world cup. Gareth Southgate had been in charge of the England squad for 8 years and never won the world cup. You will also note from that list that no foreign manager has won the world cup, it has always been won by one of their own countrymen. You can see why England fans want an English manager because history is not on their side for wanting a foreign manager.
I looked through the list of men's world cup winners, who their manager was, their nationality and how long it took them from starting as national manager to winning the world cup. The managers nationality is in brackets
2022 - Argentina - Lionel Scaloni (Argentina) 4 years
2018 - France - Didier Deschamps (France) 6 years
2014 - Germany - Joachim Low (Germany) 8 years
2010 - Spain - Vincente del Bosque (Spain) 2 years
2006 - Italy - Marrcello Lippi (Italy) 2 years
2002 - Brazil - Luiz Felipe Scolari (Brazil) 1 year
1998 - France - Aime Jacquet (France) 5 years
1994 - Brazil - Carlos Alberto Parreira (Brazil) 3 years
1990 - West Germany - Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 6 years
With the exception of Joachim Low you can see that since 1990, it takes up to 6 years for a national manager to win the world cup. Gareth Southgate had been in charge of the England squad for 8 years and never won the world cup. You will also note from that list that no foreign manager has won the world cup, it has always been won by one of their own countrymen. You can see why England fans want an English manager because history is not on their side for wanting a foreign manager.
Tuchel is the exact opposite of Southgate: better tactically, but a worse man-manager. I think Tuchel could get more out of the English squad than Southgate, but could he get enough to win the WC? And would he ruin the positive vibes that Southgate cultivated in the process? It will be interesting to see. His act tends to go stale after 18-24 months, so right around the WC and the end of his contract.
Why has England been so bad at developing managers over the past few decades? Eddie Howe could make a decent national manager, but he already has a job. Otherwise, it's slim pickings.
I can understand why United cut off SAF: keeping his big salary onboard after making so many other employees redundant is not a good look.
Why has England been so bad at developing managers over the past few decades? Eddie Howe could make a decent national manager, but he already has a job. Otherwise, it's slim pickings.
I can understand why United cut off SAF: keeping his big salary onboard after making so many other employees redundant is not a good look.
Interesting reading. But I think the reality is those teams you list have probably had less foreign managers than other countries with less winning potential of the WC. In other words saying no foreign manager had won the WC is not surprising.
I don’t really care about the nationality of our manager. More the results at the WC and Euros. Not really bothered by the other national league thing.
oh my life...you cannot make it up can you...the man has only just been announced as England manager and already the UK media are drudging up the past to find negative things about him.
metro.co.uk
New England manager's true colours shown by infamous handshake video
Expect fireworks with the former Chelsea boss on the touchline.
metro.co.uk
Maybe that is why England will not win the World Cup because it does not have a large pool of top quality English managers like the leagues of other countries do. Look at the EPL now, there is only 3 English managers and only one is considered just about good enough to be considered for England manager.
There are many reasons we won’t win the WC. Management is just one. I don’t think we have enough English players playing together regularly. There are 2-3 English players at each top club playing regularly at most.
We might have the best league in the world, but that is largely due to the amount of foreign talent we have.
Perhaps it should also be considered that while England produced some good players from time to time all in all it just wasn't enough.
Watching Juventus - Bayern, 0 - 2, while I am waiting, and doing some stuff, to see Hammarby beat the he#l out of Barça 😅
Probably not, but Barça have showed weakness, and Hammarby have desered their place in WCL, and can surprise, maybe. But my guess is that Barça will win with 5/6-1.
Probably not, but Barça have showed weakness, and Hammarby have desered their place in WCL, and can surprise, maybe. But my guess is that Barça will win with 5/6-1.
I wonder who will replace Eidevall. Shame the pressure got to him. But the opening results were dire
Hopefully Barca don’t win the WCL again nor Lyon
Re-Tuchel I’m kinda meh. I actually thought he would head for Utd but i guess there is no vacancy. He’ll probably do well with the English talent pool. But I’m curious how he’ll manage the egos
Still not convinced he’ll win anything but we’ll see.
Hopefully Barca don’t win the WCL again nor Lyon
Re-Tuchel I’m kinda meh. I actually thought he would head for Utd but i guess there is no vacancy. He’ll probably do well with the English talent pool. But I’m curious how he’ll manage the egos
Still not convinced he’ll win anything but we’ll see.
Personally I do not think having enough English players playing regularly has ever been the problem. Look at the English teams of the 70's and 80's, Nott's Forest, back to back European cup champions with a wealth of English players, Liverpool, numerous European cup and league winners again with a wealth of English players, Leeds, Man United, again teams with a wealth of English players, playing together and regularly and yet still cannot win a world cup. Look at the teams of the 90's, Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal, numerous English players playing regularly and again cannot win the world cup. Granted the talent pool of English players has withered down but even when the country had a wealth of world class talented players England could still not win the world cup.
Any way, you do not need a wealth of talent to win the big games. Look at Leicester winning the EPL and Greece winning the Euro's, neither team a wash of world talent yet they proved what they had was a winning combination of manager and players. How long that will take England is anyone's guess.
Chelsea can do really good this year too - with their new coach Sonia Bombastor. She have won a lot herself with Lyon though - both as player and coach.
We'll see what coach Arsenal will get, have no idea at this minute.
At half-time, it looked (just about) okay for West Ham.
However, they were thrashed by a buoyant, confident, Spurs early in the second half.