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Last night, (a dry night, as it happened, as has been the case since Wednesday's rather unexpected, if exceedingly pleasant, outing in a 16th-17th century pub) while suffering from the worst sinus attack I have endured for ages, I idly pondered a number of matters:

These included (in no particular order), Brexit, (effects, etc), Stuff Happening Across The Pond And In The Eastern Part Of Our Common European Home, and Arsenal's current (and apparently endless and growing) list of injuries, which led to further thoughts, mulling on the current situation, especially as it applies (or, is applied to) gifted, and talented young players .

At the moment, Arsenal are missing (missing, in this context, meaning - mostly - absent through injury) the following players:

Christian Mosquera (an excellent summer purchase, and a genuine loss), Kai Havertz (whom I still do not believe is a natural fit as a striker, though I cannot deny his work ethic and attitude, both of which are excellent), Gabriel Magalhaes (a superb defender, and outstanding player, thus, a critical loss), Ben White, (a talented and hard-working defender who had just fought his way back into the team, but has just suffered a hamstring injury), Max Dowman, (a young, repeat, young - the boy is but 15 - teenaged prodigy, who burst into the first team earlier this season, and is now sidelined due to an ankle injury), and, finally, Riccardo Calafiori, who is absent due to his suspension as a consequence of having accumulated five yellow cards.

Others who have been recently out through injury included Jurrien Timber (another exceedingly good defender), Martin Odegaard (our captain and capable midfield general), Leandro Trossard, Gabriel Jesus (who has just returned from eleven month absence due to suffering an ACL injury last January), Noni Madueke (an unusually excellent summer purchase from Chelsea), Piero Hincapie (yes, another recent purchase - from last summer - and a very good defender), Gabriel Martinelli, and Christian Norgaard, a summer purchase from Brentford.

However, apart from enumerating Arsenal's growing list of the walking wounded, what prompted this post was the fact that (between bout of my sinuses being troublesome last night), I fell to pondering about how gifted and talented teenaged prodigies fare in the Premier League.

For, I must admit to an enormous unease - grave doubts and considerable concern - about the fact that we are playing Max Dorman - the boy, and - at fifteen, which he remains until 31st December, as his birthday falls on the last day of the year - he is still a boy, a boy, who, despite his (evident) prodigious talent, (and despite his clear ambition and desire to accept the career and footballing opportunities that have come his way) still has the body of a boy, the mental, psychological and mental and emotional development (irrespective of his personal maturity, nature, temperament, character, or disposition) of an adolescent boy, a boy who is facing grown men, men who have not just fully grown into their strength, power, and body mass, but are exceptionally fit, fully conditioned, highly trained and powerful athletes, on a regular basis, which he was doing until he suffered his recent injury.

Whatever about playing 17 year olds playing first team football, (and, at 17, your body and bones are still developing, your mind and body are still growing, taking on their final forms as you approach adulthood, a situation that must apply to a far greater extent when you are but fifteen), and a situation that I must confess that I also harbour considerable doubts about, I cannot see any reason why a 15 year old, in a team as well resourced as Arsenal (this is not a desperate Sunday five-a-side, after all) has been permitted to play for the first team.

Yes, the headlines are dramatic (as are the records - for youngest age when first taking the pitch in a professional capacity, and so on).

However, to my mind, the (sports and football) media (and here, I include the fanzines, - which I read reasonably regularly - as they are a place where one can sometimes find interesting, articulate, and thoughtful commentary, articles and pieces) have been extraordinarily unquestioning about the fact that a boy of fifteen has been appearing in Arsenal's colours on a fairly regular basis since the season started.

Anyway, while the intention behind my post is partly to see what the other Arsenal supporters on this thread may think about - or feel about - this, I am also curious to read the thoughts of the many other posters who contribute regularly to this thread.
 
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Anyway, while the intention behind my post is partly to see what the other Arsenal supporters on this thread may think about - or feel about - this, I am also curious to read the thoughts of the many other posters who contribute regularly to this thread.
as a bystander who likes the EPL, Arsenal has something special this season. I watched the club as much as I could from 2004 under Arsen and this club has a focus for wining no matter who is left off, subbed or added in late editions. Arteta seems to have the club focused with or without the ball and everyone has a sense of positivity as they will win the match no matter what the situation is and overcome bad ref or VAR calls. the only blemish the gunners had was Beundia who has been making those plays recently, out of nowhere since October.

Leandro Trossard is the person who impressed me the most this 2025 as he has a sense for the net while Havertz was a burden when he joined from Chelsea as Saka makes this incredible passes out of nowhere an due fun to watch, Rice and Odegaard are exceptional as well. The defense is solid and goalkeeping good enough to win Raya can make that game saving stop.

I would enjoy the season and be happy you support a club that has a great chance to win the title this season.

(thanks for the nice long post, we seldom see these that much these days!)
 
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In other news, my local team Welling United made it into the news for a fight which saw the opposition manager injured before the game https://www.london-now.co.uk/news/25697325.welling-united-vs-potters-bar-match-manager-injured/. Not entirely sure of details yet but a bit bizarre
Officers were called and a 38-year-old was found with injuries to his face.

According to a Potters Bar Town statement, this was manager Sammy Moore.


Coaching Moores are not having a good week in sports nowadays!
 
Anyway, while the intention behind my post is partly to see what the other Arsenal supporters on this thread may think about - or feel about - this, I am also curious to read the thoughts of the many other posters who contribute regularly to this thread.
Sometimes i think we're over-coached under Arteta's regime. He always pushes players to the absolute limits. And players have to buy in because he flexed his muscle with Aubemeyang, Guendouzi, Pepe etc
It also explains why we can be robotic in our play at times and why Gyokeres doesn't get the ball often. Control control control so we recycle passes.

Re-injuries; Ben white for example had been on the bench a lot and all of a sudden he's asked to play several 90 min games and keep the intensity he had in previous seasons which fair but you can't break the laws of science. Loading the muscles that frequently after a period of low activity will catch up with you.
And now he's out for a month at least.

Its a miracle Timber didn't get injured again after the ACL tear. And its a miracle Rice has been largely unscathed.

He and his medical team need to figure something out. I for one am glad we don't have to play again till Sat.

Regarding introducing young players...its part of our DNA (along with several other clubs). Fabregas came in at 16, ditto Wilshere, Saka 17, Nwaneri/Dowman 15. And whilst he debuts them early, he doesn't really rely on them often.
But its important to let academy players know there's a path into the first team if they play their cards right. Gd for club and country.

What i don't like is when the young players are tasked with dragging the club on their back because everyone else is useless. Ideal scenario is to have a strong core of senior players who can provide guidance and education.
 
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wow what a Manu- Barmouth match, fun fun!

Partially fun, partially horrific.

Bournemouth is a good team, but Man Utd somehow know how to play against them, creating plenty of chances and actually scoring a few. The problem was on the other end, with some horrific defensive play. I knew it was a big risk playing Leny Yoro and Ayden Heaven together, and their combined naïveté conspired to let in a couple of facepalm-worthy goals. This simply would not have happened if it was one of the young lads playing alongside Matheus de Ligt or Harry Maguire, who are both still out injured.

There's been a lot of talk about Kobbie Mainoo lately, but he at least looked good coming off the bench tonight, showing more application in defense and moving the ball forward nicely. Casemiro faces suspension due to accumulation of yellow cards, so hopefully he gets a start next match and not — God forbid — Manuel Ugarte.
 
Salah got a pretty positive reception at Anfield over the weekend, but I think Slot played his cards well over this whole affair. He avoided getting embroiled in a public war of words with Salah without seeming to give ground. I would not be shocked to see Salah go in January, but right now I think the probability is that he'll see out the season at least. The club seems to be taking the stance internally that they are unhappy about the outburst, but want to avoid a rupture with Salah if that can be done without undermining Slot.

Partially fun, partially horrific.
4-4 is an out-of-control match. Exciting for the neutral, but not so much for everyone else, and a manager's nightmare.

Last night, (a dry night, as it happened, as has been the case since Wednesday's unexpected, if exceedingly pleasant, outing in a 16th-17th century pub)
Do tell...:)
 
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Salah got a pretty positive reception at Anfield over the weekend, but I think Slot played his cards well over this whole affair. He avoided getting embroiled in a public war of words with Salah without seeming to give ground. I would not be shocked to see Salah go in January, but right now I think the probability is that he'll see out the season at least. The club seems to be taking the stance internally that they are unhappy about the outburst, but want to avoid a rupture with Salah if that can be done without undermining Slot.
Good analysis.

Moreover, avoiding an open rupture will also make it easier to obtain a decent price for Salah if and when Liverpool finally choose - or decide - to sell him.
4-4 is an out-of-control match. Exciting for the neutral, but not so much for everyone else, and a manager's nightmare.
Very exciting for the neutral.
Do tell...:)
At the risk of repeating what I have already written in the "What Is On Your Mind?" thread, where I described it in some detail, (I was meeting with an old friend from the Labour Party and we were eventually joined by a mix of academics, some of whom I knew - as some from both English and History arrived unexpectedly, - both groups having held their respective Christmas parties earlier that afternoon, along with a couple of writers, plus a few political people), 'twas a good night.
 
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A scrappy win for ‘Pool.
I watched MOTD, and whilst their footage of games, is limited to 'extended highlight's' of the game, it does tend to give you pivotal moments in the game. I thought Liverpool started well, and kept the pressure on, particularly after Spurs went down to 10 men. The defence was better organised, but still chaotic in a congested penalty area scenario.
Tottenham came hard late in the 2nd half, but there discipline was poor.

Fingers crossed for Monday, Fulham needs to get a win at home against Forest. We seem a little distracted with the managers contract, and there is not excuse for being so close to the drop zone.
 
Tottenham came hard late in the 2nd half, but there discipline was poor.

When Richarlison scored, he proceeded to put Ekitike in a chokehold on the ground, then embarked on a hazing tour of half the Liverpool squad, for which he received no punishment. But during that little episode he squared up to Szoboszlai, stared him down and shouted in his face....for which, bafflingly, Szoboszlai seems to have been carded (and as his fifth yellow it's earned him a ban).

Richarlison is a red-mist, chaos-fueled type of player who opposing fans love to hate. He has talent but he comes across to me as a generic brand Luis Suarez - neither as villainous nor as talented as Liverpool's old striker.

I'm happy to watch him score a series of memorable consolation goals against Liverpool. 🤣
 
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Looks like Isaaks injury could be significant. Another lengthy lay off most likely.

Nothing but rumors as yet, still waiting for an actual diagnosis / scan result.

But really, he’s had fitness struggles and only scored two goals thus far. Liverpool’s season is not going to hinge on Isak’s contributions. Players like Ekitike, Szoboszlai, and Gakpo are probably going to be the attacking players relied upon alongside a broader contributions from the squad, and (maybe) Salah when he returns from AFCON.

Wirtz played well against Spurs. he needs more time to adapt his game but his talent is obvious.
 
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That second half was a tough watch as an Arsenal supporter. Three points in the bag, another game done.
Agreed.
A scrappy win for ‘Pool. Isak scored and gets injured, Ekitike nets a winner.
Very scrappy, and worse, an injury for Isak.
Obvious handball call against Everton but Arsenal got lucky. Saliba got away with one, but sometimes that’s how you win.
Grinding grim victories out in the depths of winter is one of the ways you win league titles.

I cannot wait for the return to health, fitness, and the football pitch, of those players currently absent from our formerly solid defence.
 
Agreed.

Very scrappy, and worse, an injury for Isak.

Grinding grim victories out in the depths of winter is one of the ways you win league titles.

I cannot wait for the return to health, fitness, and the football pitch, of those players currently absent from our formerly solid defence.
At least you are not impacted as much by the African cup. We’ve lost a couple of players. I’m really hoping we can do some business in January, as of right now I feel we need to be building a Championship winning team for next year.
 
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At least you are not impacted as much by the African cup. We’ve lost a couple of players. I’m really hoping we can do some business in January, as of right now I feel we need to be building a Championship winning team for next year.
Good luck.

Yes, fortunately, we are not as affected by the African Cup (and the inevitable absences that thus occur) as are many other teams in the Premier League.
 
Strange match for United at Villa Park today. I can't think of a single United player that better than a 6.5/10 match today, but they played very well as a unit and deserved at least a point. They were let down by some unsure finishing and Leny Yoro getting badly beaten twice by the scintillating Morgan Rogers.

Injuries and absences really stacking up. Now Bruno Fernandes is set to miss some weeks due to injury. The festive season is going to be rough.
 
Strange match for United at Villa Park today. I can't think of a single United player that better than a 6.5/10 match today, but they played very well as a unit and deserved at least a point. They were let down by some unsure finishing and Leny Yoro getting badly beaten twice by the scintillating Morgan Rogers.

Injuries and absences really stacking up. Now Bruno Fernandes is set to miss some weeks due to injury. The festive season is going to be rough.
United played well, Lisandro Martínez played very good as a sub, had a nice chance though that late first half goal was an early or last minute seasonal gift, but Villa hand these out once a match!

shame about Bruno, when he stopped and the play was NOT ruled well dead, I knew he was not faking.
 
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When Richarlison scored, he proceeded to put Ekitike in a chokehold on the ground, then embarked on a hazing tour of half the Liverpool squad, for which he received no punishment. But during that little episode he squared up to Szoboszlai, stared him down and shouted in his face....for which, bafflingly, Szoboszlai seems to have been carded (and as his fifth yellow it's earned him a ban)
I personally, would love to see introduced, what AFL (Australia) has, for players that harass, or intimidate match officials. Quite simply, a free kick is awarded 50 metres closer to the oppositions goal’ More effective and timely than a card.
But I’d also like to see a rolling subs bench, where players switch in set zone, so what do i know.
anyone else notice that the Hearts of Midlothian beat celt and 'gers recently and sit atop o' the table?


comfortably for now.
Arsenal have thought that a few times over recent years, whilst top at Christmas, only to fade away.
Like a good boyfriend, who is on top for most of the time, but comes second😀😉
 
It appears the rumors are correct - Alexander Isak has had surgery on a fractured fibula. I have not seen any kind of timeline but he’s likely out till at least March. And given how much he struggled for fitness after his strike over the summer, one wonders how long after that till he’s match fit.

Looking at the title race, Arsenal are in the drivers seat but (and I hate to say this) I see Man City as favorites to win the title again. They are winning easily at the moment, while Arsenal are struggling through (though getting results) and have more injuries.

As long as Haaland is healthy they are my pick for the title till proven otherwise. Sigh.
 
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Looking at the title race, Arsenal are in the drivers seat but (and I hate to say this) I see Man City as favorites to win the title again. They are winning easily at the moment, while Arsenal are struggling through (though getting results) and have more juries.

As long as Haaland is healthy they are my pick for the title till proven otherwise. Sigh.
and aston villa?
 
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