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darthbane2k

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The 64GB Pro represents no less value than higher capacities.


Do the math and buy what you actually need rather than what you feel is worth more, because..

Taking UK prices, the base 11inch Pro is £719 before storage , then add £50 per 64GB. It’s the same across the board!


Like wise, US pricing - where a 11inch before storage is $749 , then add $50 per 64GB.


I’ve seen places such as iMore where the calculation per GB is way off and varies across the tier.


So for those, particularly with cloud storage subscriptions (that bring their own cost) - bear this in mind.
 

aakshey

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That’s very clever if the math is indeed the same in all cases.
 

Davefevs

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The 64GB Pro represents no less value than higher capacities.


Do the math and buy what you actually need rather than what you feel is worth more, because..

Taking UK prices, the base 11inch Pro is £719 before storage , then add £50 per 64GB. It’s the same across the board!


Like wise, US pricing - where a 11inch before storage is $749 , then add $50 per 64GB.


I’ve seen places such as iMore where the calculation per GB is way off and varies across the tier.


So for those, particularly with cloud storage subscriptions (that bring their own cost) - bear this in mind.

The question / decision for me is “how much storage will I need with regards to how long I’m going to keep the device”.

I bought the 32Gb Gen 1...I couldn’t afford the 128gb version at the time. I’m now struggling for space...after 3 years. I think I paid £679 for the 32Gb and the 128gb was £899??? For an extra £200ish outlay I think the IPP might be fine (storage wise) for another year or two. So I might have been better off, in hindsight, getting the 128gb.

However, there would be a point along that timeline (I.e. now!) where the new IPPs would be attractive.

As it stands, my IPP works great (storage is the only issue), so I think I got it right, but getting the new one, i’m Gonna plump for the 256gb (same as my iP8+) as I think that will serve my storage needs for a good few years.
 

Ambulater

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Right. Apple is charging about $0.78 US per GB of additional storage across the board. The applies equally to all capacities.
 
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darthbane2k

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Betting the op has a 64gb model.
Don’t have anything yet but math is math.
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Betting the op has a 64gb model.
All I’m trying to do is help people own who are still torn on what tier to pick. Everyone’s use Case varies. 64GB is of NO USE to someone who stores a lot of video and audio or someone who is looking to use iPad as a main computer.

Yet 64 may suit someone who pays for cloud storage and uses iPad as a secondary device.
However all of these devices are expensive and the likes of iMore are frightening people into higher tiers by claiming 64 is a rip off or represents less value.

More specifically iMore claims (for 11 inch model)
  • 64GB - $799 or $12.48 per gigabyte
  • 256GB - $949 or $3.71 per gigabyte
  • 512GB - $1149 or $2.24 per gigabyte
This is absolute NONSENSE, as the price per GB is the same across the board. The price for iPad Pro before storage is $749 and it’s an additional $50 per additional 64GB
 

rui no onna

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The 64GB offers best value and likely least depreciation come resale time when it comes to absolute $. The question is whether it's sufficient for one's usage.

For me, basic or older iPad (A8X minimum) with more storage is far more useful than a latest gen 64GB iPad Pro. 64GB stopped being sufficient for me back when I had the iPad 3 and my content back then had lower resolution ergo way smaller sizes.

Here are calculations I posted on another thread based on certain assumptions. It's important to note that profit margin is not the same as markup. Markup is based on direct manufacturing cost. Margins include other costs such as R&D, overhead, etc.
More like 1.28GB/$ or $0.78125/GB.

The fixed cost is the iPad. That's the basis for calculating margins. Assuming a manufacturing cost same as out of warranty service cost of $500 (11") and NAND flash at $0.30/GB (recently bought a 1TB 860 EVO for $150 or $0.15/GB), markup is:

60% on 64GB
70% on 256GB
100% on 512GB
137% on 1TB
 

Newtons Apple

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Don’t have anything yet but math is math.
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If my math is wrong, prove me wrong
[doublepost=1541256310][/doublepost]
All I’m trying to do is help people own who are still torn on what tier to pick. Everyone’s use Case varies. 64GB is of NO USE to someone who stores a lot of video and audio or someone who is looking to use iPad as a main computer.

Yet 64 may suit someone who pays for cloud storage and uses iPad as a secondary device.
However all of these devices are expensive and the likes of iMore are frightening people into higher tiers by claiming 64 is a rip off or represents less value.

More specifically iMore claims (for 11 inch model)
  • 64GB - $799 or $12.48 per gigabyte
  • 256GB - $949 or $3.71 per gigabyte
  • 512GB - $1149 or $2.24 per gigabyte
This is absolute NONSENSE, as the price per GB is the same across the board. The price for iPad Pro before storage is $749 and it’s an additional $50 per additional 64GB

Not nonsense. High density memory has always demanded a premium in cost.
 

Binarymix

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Math doesn't compute in Canada. It's actually MORE EXPENSIVE, the higher you go in storage.

64 - $999 ($15.60/GB)
256 - $1199 ($4.68/GB)
512 - $1449 ($2.83/GB)
1TB - $1949 ($1.90/GB)

But we are saving some on exchange, my 256GB iPad is actually $50 cheaper than in the US, so it evens out.

So in Canada it's actually the Best Buy to get the 256GB or 1TB model.
 
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Jimpilot

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I considered the 512 model this year because I noticed I was down to about 20 gigs on my 256. But then I realized about 160 of those gigs we’re videos, many I have seen but never deleted.

So I stayed with 256
 

rui no onna

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Not nonsense. High density memory has always demanded a premium in cost.
The nonsense portion is the fact that iMore appears to be dividing the entire cost of the iPad based on the amount of storage.

The iPad is a tablet, not an SSD/dumb storage. While it makes sense to calculate an SSD's value on a $/GB metric, the same does not hold true for the iPad. Majority of the iPad's value derives from the other things it can do.
 

darkarn

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What if we go with this calculation:
11 inch iPad Pro
64 - $799
256 - ($949 - $799) / (256 - 64) = ($0.78/GB)
512 - ($1149 - $949) / (512 - 256) = ($0.78/GB)
1TB - ($1549 - $1149) / (1024 - 512) = ($0.78/GB)

Therefore:
64 = $49.92 => 6% of cost | Rest of iPad cost $749.08
256 = $199.68 => 21% of cost | Rest of iPad cost $749.32
512 = $399.36 => 35% of cost | Rest of iPad cost $749.64
1024 = $798.72 => 52% of cost | Rest of iPad cost $750.28
 
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Beemers916

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Problem is if you dont use these until the wheels fall off you are going to take a bath on the 1tb when you go to upgrade. My father and i upgraded from the 9.7 to the 10.5 and he had the 64 and i had the 256. He wanted me to sell his for him, so i listed both everywhere and people didnt give a crap about mine. Everyone was only interested in the 64, even when i put the 256 at like only $50 more people were just simply not interested at any price. They saw it as a waste. The only people who buy the maxed out products are the ones who have to have the latest and greatest, not the ones who buy used. I ended up getting only a few dollars more for it, and that was still like pulling teeth.

With these new prices, forget it. you’d probably lose over $1000 in a year on the 1tb. And since these seem like such a nominal upgrade, chances are you’re going to want the next one when it comes out. To me, this is the worst upgrade of any generation so far. With a huge price increase to boot???

I have the money, i was all set to buy a 1tb 12.9 cellular until i saw the stupid prices. Im still trying to convince myself i need it somehow, but i still cant pull the trigger with such ridiculous pricing.


And I usually upgraded everything (every iphone since the 3g maxed out day one, execpt i passed on the Xs for the same reason as the new IPP). Had numerous ipads/minis/pros and all the crazy accessories. I even purchased each year a new 12” macbook maxed out specs. Heck i even have 3 sets of Airpods. Right now Apple can take these prices and shove em, i’m done until they come back down to reality.
 
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rui no onna

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Problem is if you dont use these until the wheels fall off you are going to take a bath on the 1tb when you go to upgrade. My father and i upgraded from the 9.7 to the 10.5 and he had the 64 and i had the 256. He wanted me to sell his for him, so i listed both everywhere and people didnt give a crap about mine. Everyone was only interested in the 64, even when i put the 256 at like only $50 more people were just simply not interested at any price. They saw it as a waste. The only people who buy the maxed out products are the ones who have to have the latest and greatest, not the ones who buy used. I ended up getting only a few dollars more for it, and that was still like pulling teeth.

With these new prices, forget it. you’d probably lose over $1000 in a year on the 1tb. And since these seem like such a nominal upgrade, chances are you’re going to want the next one when it comes out. To me, this is the worst upgrade of any generation so far. With a huge price increase to boot???

I have the money, i was all set to buy a 1tb 12.9 cellular until i saw the stupid prices. Im still trying to convince myself i need it somehow, but i still cant pull the trigger with such ridiculous pricing.
Yep. Storage and LTE certainly don't keep their value $ for $ so I never really understood those who say they max it out for better resale. You'd be lucky to get $0.50 on the dollar. I generally don't sell. I give my old devices to family members or use them as backup. It's the first year depreciation that's the worst.

I'm in a similar boat as you except I'm not trying to convince myself I need it. I'm trying to convince myself that I don't. :p That's a huge chunk of change compared to previous years. I've been keeping mine for at least 2 years. However, I already factor in the amortized cost for my previous purchases and I doubt the new iPad will last me significantly longer compared to other iPads before I'd want to upgrade for this feature or that (5G would likely be my next reason for upgrading).

1st gen
Pro 9.7 256GB LTE $1029
Pro 12.9 256GB LTE $1229

2nd gen
Pro 10.5 512GB LTE $1079
Pro 12.9 512GB LTE $1229

3rd gen
Pro 11 1TB LTE $1699
Pro 12.9 1TB LTE $1899
 

kazmac

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Yep. Storage and LTE certainly don't keep their value $ for $ so I never really understood those who say they max it out for better resale. You'd be lucky to get $0.50 on the dollar. I generally don't sell. I give my old devices to family members or use them as backup. It's the first year depreciation that's the worst.

I'm in a similar boat as you except I'm not trying to convince myself I need it. I'm trying to convince myself that I don't. :p That's a huge chunk of change compared to previous years. I've been keeping mine for at least 2 years. However, I already factor in the amortized cost for my previous purchases and I doubt the new iPad will last me significantly longer compared to other iPads before I'd want to upgrade for this feature or that (5G would likely be my next reason for upgrading).

1st gen
Pro 9.7 256GB LTE $1029
Pro 12.9 256GB LTE $1229

2nd gen
Pro 10.5 512GB LTE $1079
Pro 12.9 512GB LTE $1229

3rd gen
Pro 11 1TB LTE $1699
Pro 12.9 1TB LTE $1899

Thank you for posting those prices. for the LTE models Definitely waiting for sales on the 10.5" 256gb WiFi, which I hope are soon because mom needs the 2018 iPad right now.
 
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