The BEST value for money tablet!

[apolloa]

No, I'm not confusing Samsung with Android. In part of my post I was responding to @billy the fish who claimed "the Tab s2 trumps the air 2 every day of the week". The rest of my post addressed the "only reason why people go Apple is brand loyalty".

Sorry that my less-than-glowing comments regarding Android acted as a dog-whistle that triggered your defense of Android.

Brand loyalty only goes so far. Some people will actually prefer Apple's iOS.
And their is a difference between defending Android, and putting right the inaccurate assumptions someone has posted about it.

 

[billy the fish]

Are you actually attempting to draw an equivalence between "preloaded apps" and "bloatware"? There is a world of difference between "apps that are preloaded, cannot be deleted, and sit dormant unless used" with "apps that are preloaded, cannot be deleted, and run threads/processes in the background using up system resources that cannot be disabled".

Neither case is preferable, but with Samsung's bloatware it affects the performance of the system.



I won't claim that you didn't experience what you did, so by the same token don't claim that your first-hand experience is universal.


To the non-techie there is no difference between UNIX and Linux. I challenge you to find a non-techie person who is only familiar with OSX or Windows, give them an Android tablet that contains an SD card and instruct them to create a folder on the SD card and place a file in the folder. I'll even be gracious and allow you to preinstall ES File Explorer before handing it to the person. 😛

How many non-techie computer users place all of their files on their desktop (or within folders placed on their desktop)?



Sigh. Your Android defense shields are up. Many people DON'T know how to properly manage files on their desktop/notebook computer. Those people would prefer not to have to fumble around on their tablet to do so. For others, THEY KNOW HOW TO MANAGE FILES BUT CHOOSE NOT TO.

I don't know why it is so difficult for you and others to understand that there are things OTHER THAN "brand loyalty" that drive people to Apple. Are you seriously denying that those other reasons exist? 😕

Yes.. 🙂

 

[billy the fish]

I have both an iPad and Android tablet too. Even though I use an Android phone, I favour my iPad when it comes to tablet use. Main reasons are there are still a significant Android apps that have not been optimised for tablet, and there are a number of niche tablet apps I want to use that don't have Android versions at all. As much as I like Android, I can't get beyond the tablet app problem and I can't believe that 99% of tablet users are different in this respect.

Which android tablet, most of them are rubbish. . I had several supposed decent ones, Asus transformer, nexus 7 etc. Chalk and cheese compared to the tab S , I like imagine a great deal. Of folk think all android tabs are like the low cost budget ones.. if you are gonna compare them.to An iPad, at least only compare the ones with similar price points. .

 

[Lloydbm41]

Are you actually attempting to draw an equivalence between "preloaded apps" and "bloatware"? There is a world of difference between "apps that are preloaded, cannot be deleted, and sit dormant unless used" with "apps that are preloaded, cannot be deleted, and run threads/processes in the background using up system resources that cannot be disabled".

Neither case is preferable, but with Samsung's bloatware it affects the performance of the system.



I won't claim that you didn't experience what you did, so by the same token don't claim that your first-hand experience is universal.


To the non-techie there is no difference between UNIX and Linux. I challenge you to find a non-techie person who is only familiar with OSX or Windows, give them an Android tablet that contains an SD card and instruct them to create a folder on the SD card and place a file in the folder. I'll even be gracious and allow you to preinstall ES File Explorer before handing it to the person. 😛

How many non-techie computer users place all of their files on their desktop (or within folders placed on their desktop)?



Sigh. Your Android defense shields are up. Many people DON'T know how to properly manage files on their desktop/notebook computer. Those people would prefer not to have to fumble around on their tablet to do so. For others, THEY KNOW HOW TO MANAGE FILES BUT CHOOSE NOT TO.

I don't know why it is so difficult for you and others to understand that there are things OTHER THAN "brand loyalty" that drive people to Apple. Are you seriously denying that those other reasons exist? 😕

I won't deny that there are 80 year old's that have no computer experience and don't need or want to deal with file management. Yes, those people still exist and Apple's "Guide to idiot computing" is ideal for them.

But I have been using PC's since 1981. I was in the military for 24 years and lived, worked, and visited over 100 countries and met hundreds of thousands of people in that time. Maybe I only met the smart ones that could use a computer?
Also, I never mentioned brand loyalty? I have only referred to the Tab S2 being a great tablet and how iOS is severely limiting in many ways. It was for those reasons that I sold my iPad Air 2.

P.S. There is no fumbling around a file directory like you claim. It is very straight forward and simple to use. No more complex than a PC. Hell, using a Chromebook is more complicated, yet 5 year olds across the educational spectrum are doing it.

 

[ozaz]

If you happen to be in a specific field (like medical), then it is very true that you will want an iPad to use. There are simply way more apps specific to the iPad for that sort of job. I'm sure there are other niche areas as well, but for 99% of all the apps out, there are identical versions for Android. Are there some that haven't been optimized for Android tablets? Sure. Usually by smaller independent developers. But there are also many apps not optimized for the iPad as well. I ran into quite a few. And they look ridiculous when you have to turn the iPad into portrait mode and look at a pixelized app that has been scaled up x2 from the iPhone version.

Now, for the average Joe sitting at home, I want a tablet that allows me to download any file I want from the internet, I wan to be able to place that file where I want on my tablet, I don't want to lose data or files when I delete an app, I want to be able to email any sort of file I wish, I want one app to be able to share data with any other app... The list goes on. Is it really that difficult to understand that people want to use their tablet like any other PC, to be able to do very, very simple things and not be forced to only use mp4 or mov files to watch a video on their tablet? To not be forced to use a cable and iTunes just to change a damn ringtone? I mean seriously?!?

Re iOS apps without tablet versions. I can only speak by my own experience, and in the last year, maybe longer, I have not come across any iOS app that I actually want to use on my iPad that does not have an iPad optimised version. Sure, some iOS apps don't, but for me these have only been apps that I want on my phone but not my tablet.

I think you overvalue the relevance of the PC-like functionality of Android when it comes to what most people want in a tablet. If this sort of functionality were so important to what people want, Windows tablets would be doing much better. My feeling, from conversations with both techy and non-techy friends is that the majority place greater value on having something hassle free for entertainment and browsing. Overall, Android and Windows still require greater knowledge to use without running into difficulties than iOS, I feel.

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Browsing, YouTube, mail, music, movies..pictures.. these is what the vast vast majority do on a tablet, medical or music specific apps are what a niche do.. the ability to control your stuff with a working file manager means IMHO the tab s trumps the air 2 everyday of rhe week. It's just as thin, just.as light, and has a superior.screen, at a lower price. It's the brand loyalty, nothing else that makes folk.sway towards apple.

I agree, the things in your first sentence are what the majority do on their tablets.

But remember, my argument is not that Android tablets are not sufficient for the majority of what people do. It's that 99% is too high an estimate for use cases in which Android tablets are as good as or better than iPad.

Because several popular apps have not been tablet optimised on Android, because of many instances of niche iPad apps not available on Android, because there are a number of features of iOS still better than or not available on Android (e.g. iCloud backup/restore, picture in picture, split screen, system-wide offline word definitions), because of factors related to having friends using iOS products (iMessage, FaceTime), there are much more than 1% of use cases where iPad is the more suitable choice (i.e. not just brand loyalty).

By the way, the niche apps that are superior on iPad are not just medical and music creation apps. I would say if you are interested in using apps for learning or interactive reference material in any subject area or topic, you are likely to find a superior set of high quality apps if you have an iPad than Android tablet.

Which android tablet, most of them are rubbish. . I had several supposed decent ones, Asus transformer, nexus 7 etc. Chalk and cheese compared to the tab S , I like imagine a great deal. Of folk think all android tabs are like the low cost budget ones.. if you are gonna compare them.to An iPad, at least only compare the ones with similar price points. .

I have a Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (2014) and a Galaxy Tab A 8" (so both a high end and a budget Android tablet). My iPad is a mini 2, so by no means the latest model. But my thoughts on iPad verses Android on tablets is nothing to do with performance. It's all to do with the OS and ecosystem.

 

[ozaz]

How about Nvidea Shield K1?
($199 / €199 / £149)

Should have Marshmallow by the end of the month. This includes adoptable storage support which I think will greatly enhance the value of devices with low base storage

Marshmallow now available!
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/12/21/android-6-0-marshmallow/

 

[ackmondual]

1) Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4
2) Nexus 7
3) Asus ZenPad S 8.0
4) Nvidia Shield Tablet K1

I've actually used #1 before. IIRC, it was the one where online comments have mentioned people showing this to coworkers and friends, and many of them ditched their ipads for this. It's not too shabby, but I didn't think it was THAT good. Probably overall on par with the iPad at that time, even though one's better than the other at certain things (e.g. games, multimedia, etc.)

#2, I forgot that Nexus is also a line of tablets. Otherwise, I was thinking phones/phablets. Never used #3 nor #4, with the latter new to me.

Ipad sounded very interesting, but previously, I already wasted enough time with an Ipod Touch. When a 128 GB Ipad Air (1) went on sale for $400, 50% off was enough of a discount for me to jump on it. It's price tag was one major thing that had me avoid it. I'm sure it has been a great value even at MSRP, but it was strictly a want. And when I'm contrasting that to a "need", I mean a "tech need". Not the basic human essentials like food, water, shelter, etc. My desktop PC to me is a "tech need" because I also do job searches on it, program, and keep track of expenses.

The Ipad Air has been relegated to a glorified gaming device. It's usually at home, where I much prefer to do stuff on my desktop PC. And even then, I don't use it that much. Having visited family recently, my HP Chromebook 14 has been an absolute joy to use for internet, email, and moderate Office docs. My Lenovo ThinkPad has Windows, where I can do stuff that requires Windows.