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Following the format of the Retina 6K and Retina 5K *complete* list wiki threads. Specifications are based on the manufacturer's claims. YMMV.

Announced:

ASUS ProArt PA32KCX

Panel: IPS (AUO, 4032-zone locally-dimmed backlight) - 32.0" - 7680x4320 - 275 ppi - 60Hz - 1000/1200 nits (DisplayHDR 1000) - 1,000/1,000,000:1 contrast
Glass: Matte (anti-glare, low-reflection)
Color: 10-bit depth - 97% DCI-P3 - 100% sRGB - 95% Adobe RGB - deltaE<1 accuracy (verified)
I/O: 2x Thunderbolt 4 (96W), 2x HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 2.1; USB Hub (3x USB-A, 1x USB-C)
## KVM switch
ASUS global site (English User Guide available for download)
TFT Central coverage (updated January 2025)
MacRumors forum thread

Available:

Dell UltraSharp UP3218K
- Released 2017
Panel: IPS (LG Display) - 31.5" - 7680x4320 - 280 ppi - 60Hz - 400 nits - 1300:1 contrast
Glass: Standard (anti-reflective)
Color: 10-bit depth - 98% DCI-P3 - 100% sRGB
I/O: 2x DisplayPort 1.3; 3x USB-A downstream, 1x USB-A (power only), 1x USB-B upstream
## 3.5mm audio out
Dell site - MSRP $4,029 (originally $4,999)
Anandtech coverage (January 2017)

China only:

ViewSonic VG3281-8K
- Released 2023
Panel: IPS - 31.5" - 7680x4320 - 280 ppi - 60Hz - 320 nits - 1000:1 contrast
Color: 8-bit depth + FRC - 98% DCI-P3 - 100% sRGB
I/O: USB-C (96W), DisplayPort 1.4, 2x HDMI 2.1; USB Hub (3x USB-A downstream, 1x USB-B upstream)
## 3.5mm audio out
ViewSonic China site
TFT Central coverage (August 2023)

Discontinued:

Sharp 8M-B32C1
- Released 2021
Panel: IPS (Sharp IGZO) (direct backlight) - 31.5" - 7680x4320 - 280 ppi - 60Hz - 800/1000 nits - 1300:1 contrast
Color: 10-bit depth - 96% DCI-P3 - 100% sRGB - 100% Adobe RGB
I/O: 1x HDMI 2.1, 4x HDMI 2.0, 1x HDMI 1.4 (4K), 1x DisplayPort 2.1 (4K); 1x USB-B
## 3.5mm audio out
Sharp Europe site
UK Product Support
 
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The ViewSonic is not available outside of China, not even in Hong Kong.

I also noticed (and this was not the case a year ago, if I recall correctly) that it is no longer possible to navigate to the old Dell 8K on their site without knowing the model number. They are still selling it, but you won't find it if you are just browsing. 8K is no longer a listed resolution you can choose as you navigate/filter their products.
 
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there is a new BOE Panel in 8K with 120Hz and with a 4K 240Hz Dual Mode in 31.5".
There are two other “dual mode” gaming display panels that neatly halve to standard video resolutions when they double the refresh rate:

4K 2160p 240Hz becomes 1080p 480Hz (Acer Predator X32 X3) [OLED]
5K 2880p 165Hz becomes 1440p 330Hz (Acer Predator XB323QX) [IPS]

What’s the next step in this progression?

8K 4320p 120Hz becomes 4K 2160p 240Hz

So this news fits here. For fun, here’s a handy list showing these standard relationships:
  • 720p = HD = 1280x720
  • 1080p = Full HD = 1920x1080 (1.5x 720p)*
  • 1440p = Quad HD = 2560x1440 (2x 720p)*
  • 2160p = 4K Ultra HD = 3840x2160 (3x 720p; 2x 1080p)*
  • 2880p = 5K = 5120x2880 (4x 720p, 2x 1440p)*
  • 3240p = 5760x3240 (4.5x 720p; 3x 1080p)*
  • 3600p = 6400x3600 (5x 720p)*
  • 3960p = 7K = 7040x3960 (5.5x 720p)*
  • 4320p = 8K Ultra HD = 7680x4320 (6x 720p; 4x 1080p, 2x 4K)*
  • 5040p = 8960x5040 (7x 720p)*
  • 5400p = 9600x5400 (7.5x 720p; 5x 1080p)*
  • 5760p = 10K = 10240x5760 (8x 720p; 4x 1440p; 2x 5K)*
  • 8640p = 16K = 15360x8640 (12x 720p; 8x 1080p, 4x 4K, 2x 8K)*
* Note that multiplications are both horizontal and vertical. So, for example, 8K is quadruple 4K, not double. Thus Quad HD (1440p) is true to its name: it is quadruple HD (720p), not double.
 
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Philips 328P8K - Announced 2017
Panel: IPS (LED backlight) - 31.5" - 7680x4320 - 280 ppi - 60Hz - 400 cd/m² - 1300:1 contrast
Color: 100% sRGB - 100% Adobe RGB
I/O: 2x DisplayPort 1.3; USB-A, USB-C

Much fanfare when they demonstrated it, but I can't find any indication that it was ever released.

 
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Another one, again I can't find any indication that it was ever released:

ViewSonic ColorPro VP3286-8K - Announced at CES 2021
Panel: IPS (LED backlight) - 32" - 7680x4320
Color: 99% Adobe RGB
I/O: Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort, USB Hub
Press release (January 2021)
 
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re: Dell UltraSharp UP3218K.
There is a footnote:
A DIY driver board to reuse the LG LM315QU1-SSA1 (or SSA2) screen panel in the 8K Dell monitor is available.
The R1815 V2 (CY.R1815 V2) video board can be used to provide single cable USB-C, DP 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 inputs to the Dell 8K's screen.
Also to the iMac 27" 2017-2020, and the iMac 24" M1/3/4 2021-2025.
 
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Given Apple's history of 'retina' resolution branding, will the large majority of computer users effectively discern a difference between 6K and 8K in otherwise identical 32" displays? Assuming they don't do unrealistic maneuvers like try to read tiny text with their eyes 6 inches from the screen, etc... I believe 6K resolution at a 32" display size meets Apple's pixel density standard (roughly 220 dpi) for retina resolution, and in theory retina resolution is that beyond which the typical user couldn't discern higher resolution (at a typical viewing distance).

Put another way, to what extent is 'beyond retina' resolution of meaningful benefit?

If you want 8K over 6K, stands to reason it'll be more expensive and put more demand on your computer's graphics processing capability. It's costing you something, so what do you get in return (besides impressive sounding technical spec.s)?
 
Given Apple's history of 'retina' resolution branding, will the large majority of computer users effectively discern a difference between 6K and 8K in otherwise identical 32" displays? Assuming they don't do unrealistic maneuvers like try to read tiny text with their eyes 6 inches from the screen, etc... I believe 6K resolution at a 32" display size meets Apple's pixel density standard (roughly 220 dpi) for retina resolution, and in theory retina resolution is that beyond which the typical user couldn't discern higher resolution (at a typical viewing distance).

Put another way, to what extent is 'beyond retina' resolution of meaningful benefit?

If you want 8K over 6K, stands to reason it'll be more expensive and put more demand on your computer's graphics processing capability. It's costing you something, so what do you get in return (besides impressive sounding technical spec.s)?
If we set aside the obvious 8K Ultra HD television standard and all that it means, and we recognize that HDMI 2.2 (96 Gbps, double HDMI 2.1) has broken ground on 10K (2x 5K) for reference monitors (not sure but I think Thunderbolt 5 at 80 Gbps can also do it), I’m not sure what’s left. I can speak for myself, though…

The reason I’m considering the ASUS 8K is because I’m an art historian, with experience both teaching and working in museums. It’s not that I need anything beyond Retina, I tend to zoom in when I want to look closely at a detail.

If I zoom out and step back to take it in, of course even Retina is overkill, but then I’m going to want to peer in, and that’s one reason I find myself interested in Liquid Retina on a large display.

There’s also a practical reason, in working with high-resolution images of art, the more real estate I can fit on the screen, the more efficient I can be.

32" is about as large as my desk and the room where I work can handle. I’d love to have two of them I could pivot to vertical and place side by side (so the LG 6K with its narrow, uniform bezels and no chin really appeals to me), but I don’t know. I like 27" 5K for reading and writing, I’m used to that, I’ve been using it for more than a decade now. For the visual arts, however, I could use more.

That’s why I’m so interested in all this, furiously updating the information in these new 6K and 8K threads as I learn more (also the old 5K thread, but that’s more out of curiosity and interest, not need.) I’ve been trying to do my homework, as it were. Like you, I want to know if it’s worth doing.
 
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And I thought the desktop retina displays (MacBooks and the apple monitors) had the highest ppi… I wish there were more monitors with higher ppis. Despite what everyone says I still can see pixels and there’s always room for improvement
 
Available this month!


I’ve seen €8,999 for the EU price.
 
Reddit, in r/HiDPI_monitors — from the same person who posted the Press Release. Includes VAT. No source, but I’ll guess it’s accurate. Probably works for a distributor and can’t say.
I mean it makes sense. ASUS staff semi-jokingly hinted that the price would match the resolution, I believe during CES 2025. Unfortunately we're in that ballpark.
 
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The ASUS is now up on the US site, no price yet but seems like it is imminent.

It’s an AUO panel and backlight, the natural successor to the panel and backlight in the Pro Display XDR. You really have to wonder if Apple planned to use it but then backed out in favor of hybrid tandem OLED, even if that is still a year or more away.

One of the strangest aspects (for me, with no understanding of what’s involved) is that (according to TFT Central’s panel database) the backlight appears to have 4,608 zones (8x576) — ASUS originally said the PA32KCX would have 4,096 zones, but now it has 4,032 zones. So I wonder what that’s all about.

Looking forward to reviews of this.
 
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You really have to wonder if Apple planned to use it but then backed out in favor of hybrid tandem OLED, even if that is still a year or more away.

The Asus 8K has a way higher dpi (275) than what Apple uses in their displays (around 220 dpi). So a hypothetical 8K display from Apple would have to be 40“. I really doubt we will ever see such a beast.
 
The Asus 8K has a way higher dpi (275) than what Apple uses in their displays (around 220 dpi). So a hypothetical 8K display from Apple would have to be 40“. I really doubt we will ever see such a beast.
I also spent a long time thinking about what PPI size is a must and what might be over the top. For me, it has to be at least 200 PPI, so to fit the grid, I'm talking about 218-224 PPI (because that's the usual specification for current high-end monitors).

Whether it really needs to be 275 PPI... phew, I don't know. Personally, I wouldn't need it, but if it were to become standard (which I doubt), I wouldn't object, but for me, the break-even point is clearly 218 PPI. THIS SHOULD DEFINITELY BECOME THE STANDARD for all types of external monitors.
 
I also spent a long time thinking about what PPI size is a must and what might be over the top. For me, it has to be at least 200 PPI, so to fit the grid, I'm talking about 218-224 PPI (because that's the usual specification for current high-end monitors).

Whether it really needs to be 275 PPI... phew, I don't know. Personally, I wouldn't need it, but if it were to become standard (which I doubt), I wouldn't object, but for me, the break-even point is clearly 218 PPI. THIS SHOULD DEFINITELY BECOME THE STANDARD for all types of external monitors.
275 ppi could be a problem since there isn’t any 3X scaling support in macOS… yet. For running at 2560x1440 for example, you would need exact 3X scaling. Or if you want something closer to 6K monitor text sizing, you’d probably want to run at 3072x1728, which is 2.5X scaling support. Ideally in that scenario you’d scale up to 9K 9216x5184 and then scale back down to 8K, although I suppose you could use 2X scaling to 6144x3456 and then scale up to 8K from there.

If we only consider macOS’ preferred pixel density, probably what would make more sense for 8K is a screen size of 40” to 43” (220 to 205 ppi).

PS. I personally still think the optimal pixel density - for me - is probably 200 ppi, because at 220 ppi, I find default text sizing too small.
 
The Asus 8K has a way higher dpi (275) than what Apple uses in their displays (around 220 dpi). So a hypothetical 8K display from Apple would have to be 40“. I really doubt we will ever see such a beast.
Apple’s Retina standard is a minimum. Liquid Retina in a Pro Display XDR could happen, and would be desirable from the standpoint of visual clarity. Text sharpness at a given distance is not the only measure of image quality.
 
275 ppi could be a problem since there isn’t any 3X scaling support in macOS… yet. For running at 2560x1440 for example, you would need exact 3X scaling. Or if you want something closer to 6K monitor text sizing, you’d probably want to run at 3072x1728, which is 2.5X scaling support. Ideally in that scenario you’d scale up to 9K 9216x5184 and then scale back down to 8K, although I suppose you could use 2X scaling to 6144x3456 and then scale up to 8K from there.

If we only consider macOS’ preferred pixel density, probably what would make more sense for 8K is a screen size of 40” to 43” (220 to 205 ppi).

PS. I personally still think the optimal pixel density - for me - is probably 200 ppi, because at 220 ppi, I find default text sizing too small.
Fortunately, the world doesn't consist solely of macOS. Since I also use Windows 11, 275 PPI wouldn't be a problem at all, but instead of this extremely high PPI value, I agree with you that it would be better to go for more surface area, but with 220 PPI. My preference would be to expand the form factor from 16:9 to 21:9 and then achieve a resolution of 8064 x 3456, with a diagonal of 39.15 inches.
 
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Looking forward to the Asuss 8K reviews. I wonder if Apples new Pro Display XDR will be 8K also?
 
275 ppi could be a problem since there isn’t any 3X scaling support. For running at 2560x1440, you would need exact 3X scaling.

Or if you want something closer to 6K monitor text sizing, you’d probably want to run at 3072x1728, which is 2.5X scaling support. Ideally in that scenario you’d scale up to 9K 9216x5184 and then scale back down to 8K, although I suppose you could use 2X scaling to 6144x3456 and then scale up to 8K from there.

If we only consider macOS’ preferred pixel density, probably what would make more sense for 8K is a screen size of 40” to 43” (220 to 205 ppi).
Apple’s approach to macOS scaling appears to be designed for scaling down from a higher pixel pitch. It is not optimal when scaling up from a lower pixel pitch, like when a 27" 4K display emulates a 27" 5K display, but that’s not what will be happening here.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something, but I believe macOS and Apple silicon will have no issues with a 32.0" 8K display emulating a 31.5" 6K display. Retina text on a Liquid Retina display will be sharper, not less so.

Regardless, most people buying these aren’t focused on text.
 
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