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The 3 minute background thing is a myth. If you have an app that's getting killed by the watchdog tell the developer to read the documentation.

Wrong. Research it before you respond. For example, all SSH/telnet clients have this limitation due to iOS and it's not as easy as the dev fixing it because iOS won't allow it.
 
It's the other way around. Increased competition from precision pen based Galaxy Note Pro, Surface 3, Surface Pro 3/4, Thinkpad Helix2 and many others forced Apple to release the iPP. Good idea just wrong OS choice when it should've been OS X.
You either misunderstood what I said or are intentionally being dense. The "competition" I spoke of in my post is the competition of iPad Air 2, a 10" tablet. And Surface Pro and Galaxy Note have existed for many years before iPad Pro.
 
I don't see the consensus being that this is not a Pro device. The iPad Pro is a unique device with new capabilities. Many people are writing that this a huge help for their professional lives (me included). Some others who don't need these features downplay its utility.

The Pencil is fantastic. It is not just for artists. The Pencil is a precise writing device useful for all sorts of note taking, sketching and annotation. The size of the device adds to the utility by providing a large writing surface.
 
Definitely love my Pro, after a week of using , getting used to the size and weight already.

And if you are giving me an Air2 to replace my Pro, i would say no, and air 2 is kind of small to me now.
 
I definitely find it to be very much "Pro". I've been using it daily at work and this far I've managed to get stuff done without my MBP. My line of work is engineering, leadership and project-management. Software that I use for this is the Omni-suite, Autocad360 and MS-Office. In addition, Skype for business is on heavy rotation. I do not find myself wanting stuff not possible to do on the iPad. When the pen arrives, I'm properly set for pro-work;)
 
I like the idea of the iPad pro...but even as a huge Apple fanboy, I can see that it's not quite there yet...

I think that this debate is justified, but... over-done.

What makes the MacBook Pro different than the MacBook or MacBook Air?
-Better CPU? (yup, the Pro has a better processor)
-Better Graphics? (yup, the Pro has better graphics)
-Better Connectivity? (it has more ports. how many do you use?)
-Better Display? (on par with the MB)
-Better Battery? (MBA is the best by far)
-Different Materials? (on par with the MB)
-Thicker? (yup, the Pro is thicker)
-Heavier? (yup, the Pro is more heavy)

iPad Pro vs iPad Air 2
-Better CPU? (yup, the Pro has a better processor)
-Better Graphics? (yup, the Pro has better graphics)
-Better Connectivity? (it has more ports [and optional Apple Pencil].)
-Better Display? (on par with the other current iPads)
-Better Battery? (on par with the other current iPads)
-Different Materials? (on par with the other current iPads)
-Thicker? (yup, the Pro is thicker)
-Heavier? (yup, the Pro is more heavy)


Don't judge the hardware's "Pro-feel" based on what software is available to make use of the hardware.
 
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What is considered Pro? If you consider the ability to have several windows, being able to run commercial software, program complex code, run virtual machines, and so on, then iPad Pro is NOT a pro. Those things require a lot of select/copy/paste and it's still not as efficient as using a mouse. You cannot have "windows" on a tablet.

But here's the thing - on iPad Pro, you can create art. You can manipulate an image. You can create a document. You can multitask two apps at once. You can definitely produce great works on iPad Pro at much ease. I developed a newsletter on Adobe Comp and it's MUCH easier than what I could on a desktop version. It's truly intuitive and quick. You can save it as PSD or PDF which are "professional formats." You can open 50MP RAW files and edit them. The drawing gestures on Comp CC is truly making things much easier to design and create/load content on layouts.

So, for content creation relating to publishing and imaging, it can be a "pro."

But if you want to be able to support all formats and run VM's and do code programming which involves compilers, then a laptop is a better choice.

Please do not see iPad Pro as a replacement for laptops. It isn't. iPad Pro is built for portability, power efficiency, touch gesturing, writing, drawing, security (viruses are hard to get, and easy to set up passcode/touchID) and heavy content consumption.
 
Wrong. Research it before you respond. For example, all SSH/telnet clients have this limitation due to iOS and it's not as easy as the dev fixing it because iOS won't allow it.

That's funny, because I've actually written network background apps that don't die. There's actual documentation that you can read. Why not bug the devs?

It might require a re-architecture if they did it wrong the first time, and they probably don't want to do that. That doesn't mean it's impossible, it means that they're lazy.
 
Lack of competition and slowed-down tablet market are what brought us the iPad Pro.

Actually, the market is really crazy, and has become like the PC market. I can't see how anyone can turn down an amazon $50 tablet. Why would you buy anything else, especially given the huge price point differential? That's tough to justify. But then amazon should be cleaning up in the low-end tablet market. Why buy a cody or some other no-name tablet?
 
That's funny, because I've actually written network background apps that don't die. There's actual documentation that you can read. Why not bug the devs?

Yes, it's funny without naming the client that 'supposedly' maintains a connection in the background beyond 3 minutes. Prompt 2 client is probably the highest rated iOS SSH client but it has the same iOS limitation and mentioned in the reviews.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/prompt-2/id917437289?mt=8
"[Feature Request]: Keep connection open when app is in the background."
 
Aside from the huge amount of ram (can never have enough) power wise....wouldn't the iPad Air 3 have been just as powerful if they released it this year? Seems like year by year they make some pretty big jumps

I don't like to get into what if comparisons since they didn't release a 3 and there is no guarantee of it being just as powerful. If they did run the iPA3 with the same architecture, they may very well have to call it the iPad Pro Mini...
 
If I extend Steve Job's analogy a bit.....

desktop = tractors (never leaves the farm)
laptop = trucks (for heavy hauling but you can take it off the farm)
tablets = cars (can get you around but not for really heavy hauling)
phones = shoes (you can always walk, just never leave home without them)

Nobody needs a tractor, truck, & car but life is more convenient when you own 2 or more. I would say the iPad Pro is more car like than the smaller iPads. You can do more with it than before.

Everyone needs shoes.....LOL
 
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If I extend Steve Job's analogy a bit.....

desktop = tractors (never leaves the farm)
laptop = trucks (for heavy hauling but you can take it off the farm)
tablets = cars (can get you around but not for really heavy hauling)
phones = shoes (you can always walk, just never leave home without them)

Nobody needs a tractor, truck, & car but life is more convenient when you own 2 or more. I would say the iPad Pro is more car like than the smaller iPads. You can do more with it than before.

Everyone needs shoes.....LOL

Which is a terrible analogy because people still use desktops.
 
$800 and one is probably going to want more storage besides. And probably one needs a cover or want the keyboard and want the Pencil as well.

Forget "Pro", cheaper options for what average Joe (the majority regardless of what the targeted market is) would do with it.

Of course it's not very pro, it's essentially a 13in iPhone with an overpriced stylus. It's a mobile OS that's great for angry birds and cat videos, but is a joke for productivity. No file system, no peripheral support, no printing for most printers, no mouse support etc.
 
Absolutely spot on analogy. If this were Reddit I'd give you gold.
You could always give them silver. :D

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The way I see it, and I don't have an iPad Pro is that its not the hardware thats the issue really. As the hardware goes its a wonderful device, but it could be so much more with some iOS changes. Whether Apple follows that path or not for the future, we shall just have to wait and see. Better apps would likely make the Pro shine as well. Still there are those that already find that it does what they need or expect. It will be interesting to see where Apple takes it.
 
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The way I see it, and I don't have an iPad Pro is that its not the hardware thats the issue really. As the hardware goes its a wonderful device, but it could be so much more with some iOS changes. Whether Apple follows that path or not for the future, we shall just have to wait and see. Better apps would likely make the Pro shine as well. Still there are those that already find that it does what they need or expect. It will be interesting to see where Apple takes it.

The iPP's powerful hardware and form factor is truly amazing, it's only the 'current' iOS and available apps that are holding me back from replacing my 2008 MBP with an iPP, today.

However, I have no doubt in short time neither of those relative shortcomings will be a factor anymore.
 
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Yes, the iPad Pro sucks at being pro. You aren't really able to do anything creative on it. Yesterday, I was trying to install some custom fonts to use in pages, but I don't think it's very straightforward or even possible to do that. The thing that I think is Joy to do with my iPad Pro it Is simply to consume media. Like yesterday, there was this article in the Apple news app about woolrich manufacturing, and the article was brilliantly displayed using pictures and scrolling and animation. I don't think there is any way I would have experienced the same amount of Joy scrolling through that article with my laptop.
 
What is considered Pro? If you consider the ability to have several windows, being able to run commercial software, program complex code, run virtual machines, and so on, then iPad Pro is NOT a pro. Those things require a lot of select/copy/paste and it's still not as efficient as using a mouse. You cannot have "windows" on a tablet.

But here's the thing - on iPad Pro, you can create art. You can manipulate an image. You can create a document. You can multitask two apps at once. You can definitely produce great works on iPad Pro at much ease. I developed a newsletter on Adobe Comp and it's MUCH easier than what I could on a desktop version. It's truly intuitive and quick. You can save it as PSD or PDF which are "professional formats." You can open 50MP RAW files and edit them. The drawing gestures on Comp CC is truly making things much easier to design and create/load content on layouts.

So, for content creation relating to publishing and imaging, it can be a "pro."

But if you want to be able to support all formats and run VM's and do code programming which involves compilers, then a laptop is a better choice.

Please do not see iPad Pro as a replacement for laptops. It isn't. iPad Pro is built for portability, power efficiency, touch gesturing, writing, drawing, security (viruses are hard to get, and easy to set up passcode/touchID) and heavy content consumption.

The whole "pro" term is just marketing. It means nothing. Apple just throws it on there if it's their highest-end product in a category. Professionals is a huge term that can refer to any profession. Some professionals would get by fine with an iPad Pro, like graphics artists. Many others would do much better with a real computer.
 
I'm not sure how people define "pro" but for what its worth I replaced my MacBook Pro with the iPad Pro and it's doing splendidly. I have figured out a way to work everything on it and with a keyboard and pencil, it's second to none. Before iPP, I had purchased a Surface Pro 4. Great machine but I couldn't put up with the horrid battery life and the sharp edges. It was borderline painful to hold.

iPP Pro is the best tablet a tablet can be imho. It's intuitive, straight-forward, no BS, and works for almost every application. Sure it can't do some specialty operations like a full-blown OS can, but how many working professionals actually need that? Most of us working desk jobs or running our own businesses are in it for the excel, word, and ppt.
 
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