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Actually, a $5000 card made with PRO-apps in mind usually don't perform any better than a $500 gaming card once you start up a game.. PRO apps use the GPU´s in a different way than most games do.

So, FPS in gaming won't tell you much of anything regarding the performance in pro apps.
I understand that, but was I was trying to say is that perhaps there won't be that much of a difference in pro apps between an m380/390/395 but for 2GB vs 4GB
 
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There's no reason that the iMac couldn't have better graphics cards. It wouldn't infringe on Mac Pro territory anymore than it already does. The main purchase point on a Mac Pro is CPU performance.

You just repeated yourself....

I'm just not convinced how much it could ever really cannabalize beyond what it does right now.

The Mac Pro is totally geared towards multi threaded crunching.

The "thin" thing is so ridiculous also - It's just the edge! It's plenty thick in the middle. There's no harm in going up a few MM to solve some of these things.
 
Haven't been following these graphics threads much, and a bit behind on the current state of GPUs. However, most of the reviews of GPUs seem to be around gaming performance and what-not. But that's not the only reason to get a nice GPU. Personally, I upgrade dot the 395x because I want to ensure I can comfortably drive several high-res displays. Currently, I'll only be pushing a 5k and two 2.5 Ks, but I may be upgrading my external displays at some point. When I do, I just want to ensure that everything flows fluidly, and without lag. I know that the new 5k supports two external 4k, just not sure they can both be at 60z. And that's my desire.

Anyhow, does gaming performance always correlate with diving more pixels for non gaming kinds of tasks? I seem to remember reading, number a years ago, about how workstation and gaming GPU values weren't always aligned. That some GPUs that were screamers at gaming things didn't do as good of a job with lots of pixels.

This is not something I'm asserting, just something I'd like to know. Could it be that Apple chose this line of GPUs for their ability to better support pros driving lots of pixels for work applications, instead of people trying to play games? Just wondering...?

I'm wondering the same thing. I don't plan on gaming with my machine but I went for the 395X hoping that the 4GB would benefit in the 5K resolution support. Especially when editing videos and photos; it seems that there isn't a large difference in the 395 vs 395x. But can someone assure me that 2GB vs 4GB will have some sort of benefit on the resolution of the machine?
 
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ok, i installed SC2 for mac os. Unfortunately the FPS are limited to 40 FPS. I must first install Windows. That can take a while.
 
I decided to build a mini-itx with samsung 950 ssd and a nano fury. I intend to use this for some video editing, I'll leave the imac for another day, good luck everyone. Time to get used to Windows again.
 
I decided to build a mini-itx with samsung 950 ssd and a nano fury. I intend to use this for some video editing, I'll leave the imac for another day, good luck everyone. Time to get used to Windows again.

Fair play. These days I would be to custom built PC land is if it wasn't for so much of my Mac only music production software and plugins.
 
I decided to build a mini-itx with samsung 950 ssd and a nano fury. I intend to use this for some video editing, I'll leave the imac for another day, good luck everyone. Time to get used to Windows again.

No reason to not make a great Hack out of that also!

Just sayin' :)
 
Fair play. These days I would be to custom built PC land is if it wasn't for so much of my Mac only music production software and plugins.
What Mac-only audio stuff are you using? I think all of mine is cross-platform, but I'd really like to get the Apollo 8p, which is Mac-only
 
No reason to not make a great Hack out of that ('just saying...) by the way


Except you'd have to spend a big chunk of the money you save, on a screen.

Though the screen would then be an investment, as it should (might) last for a few years longer than the computer.

But when you get round to upgrading, the pc will be worthless, and an imac can still be sold for a decent percentage of it's purchase cost.

All the usual arguements between imac and hack. I'm very tempted myself, but most of the screens that are good enough also tend to have really bad customer service and quality control problems.

Anyway this is again off topic. I'm going to try and do a FF14 benchmark if I can.
 
Except you'd have to spend a big chunk of the money you save, on a screen.

Though the screen would then be an investment, as it should (might) last for a few years longer than the computer.

But when you get round to upgrading, the pc will be worthless, and an imac can still be sold for a decent percentage of it's purchase cost.

All the usual arguements between imac and hack. I'm very tempted myself, but most of the screens that are good enough also tend to have really bad customer service and quality control problems.

Anyway this is again off topic. I'm going to try and do a FF14 benchmark if I can.


You're missing the point - A Hack can be built that literally does things that no iMac can even sniff at GPU wise. Screen is a separate topic ($1200 gets you a wonderful 5k HP z27 if 5k is a must).

With my Hacks I actually upgrade things as I go, which fits me well since I like to tinker with new technologies and keep my gaming on the bleeding edge, etc. Sadly the iMac gaming is on the bleeding edge of 3+ years ago. :-(

It's not about "being cheaper" it's often times about getting more for a given amount of $ and/or getting more "what you actually want" for that amount of $.

Anyways - back on track. Was just saying that the guy could run that machine as a great Hack in addition to Windows was all - Best of both.
 
And you're missing the point - this is a retina iMac thread. Please keep that discussion to gaming or Hackintosh areas. This thread is about people who want to know about the performance of various graphics cards in iMacs.

Please take your Hackintosh chatter elsewhere; grownups are talking here.

Actually, a $5000 card made with PRO-apps in mind usually don't perform any better than a $500 gaming card once you start up a game.. PRO apps use the GPU´s in a different way than most games do.

So, FPS in gaming won't tell you much of anything regarding the performance in pro apps.
I understand that, but was I was trying to say is that perhaps there won't be that much of a difference in pro apps between an m380/390/395 but for 2GB vs 4GB
You're missing the point - A Hack can be built that literally does things that no iMac can even sniff at GPU wise. Screen is a separate topic ($1200 gets you a wonderful 5k HP z27 if 5k is a must).

With my Hacks I actually upgrade things as I go, which fits me well since I like to tinker with new technologies and keep my gaming on the bleeding edge, etc. Sadly the iMac gaming is on the bleeding edge of 3+ years ago. :-(
 
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Please take your mackintosh chatter elsewhere, there are grownups talking here.


I'm so sorry - I deeply apologize for expressing views and thoughts that are not precisely and only specifically on the exact pin point target of the topic title at every moment and with every word.

I also extremely appreciate you, the big intelligent "Grown Up", helping to keep me, the foolish little child, on course. Whatever would I do without your amazing guidance and wisdom?
 
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What Mac-only audio stuff are you using? I think all of mine is cross-platform, but I'd really like to get the Apollo 8p, which is Mac-only

Apollo 8p, eh. Very nice choice indeed! Those pre-amps would be rather bucking marvellous in the extreme- I'm hoping to get something of the caliber in the next year. That's an amazing investment you're making there on that front!

Ive been using Logic Pro for many years. I could maybe survive with just using Ableton Live if i went to PC. Now however, after Apple buying out Camel Audio and making Alchemy Mac only (via Logic), it makes the choice far tougher. It's one of my most trusted sound design tools. I like Live 9 in many ways, but for mixing down far prefer I Logic in this respect. There's also the Michael Norris freeware plugins- i completely depend on the Spectral Drone plugin for loads of what i do with ambient work. Ive never seen anything else that does what some of his amazing free plugins do. In case you haven't heard of them, you might want to try them out for a bit of fun (if you're interested).

Personally, there's too much in the software front I would loose out to and i think i could regret it massively.
 
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I'm so sorry - I deeply apologize for expressing views and thoughts that are not precisely and only specifically on the exact pin point target of the topic title at every moment and with every word.

I also extremely appreciate you, the big intelligent "Grown Up", helping to keep me, the foolish little child, on course. Whatever would I do without your amazing guidance and wisdom?

How dare you speak of performant, high ROI tech. You kids and your newfangled doodads.

Really, he might just be the fanboy gestapo. Destroyer of Dissidence.
 
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I was under the impression the 295x was actually pretty decent, but just ran hot, is that correct?

And it looks like the 395x is a rebrand with a teeny tiny spec bump that still runs hot, is that what everyone else is seeing?
 
This thread is sure getting off topic. I was mainly interested in the original subject and it is beginning to get frustrating wading through the rest.

Just use GFXBench GL 3.1 (Appstore, free) with online results. So much easier to follow what's what? Unigine is for gamers, GFXBench results are useful to those who use mac's for work and stuff also. You can compare results side by side! One problem there is, most of the M290 series results are from yosemite user's and M3*** are El Capitan. You can't see anything else but OS: OS X (no 10.10 or 10.11.1 etc) Yosemite and El Capitan results might not be 1:1?

https://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=gfx31

M390 vs M395

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...ame1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M390&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395

M395X vs M395:

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...me1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395X&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395

M380 vs M390:

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...ame1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M380&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M390

MetalGL is up and running:

https://metalgl.com/press/metalgl-osx-announcement/
 
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Just use GFXBench GL 3.1 (Appstore, free) with online results. So much easier to follow what's what? Unigine is for gamers, GFXBench results are useful to those who use mac's for work and stuff also. You can compare results side by side! One problem there is, most of the M290 series results are from yosemite user's and M3*** are El Capitan. You can't see anything else but OS: OS X (no 10.10 or 10.11.1 etc) Yosemite and El Capitan results might not be 1:1?

https://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=gfx31

M390 vs M395

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...ame1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M390&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395

M395X vs M395:

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...me1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395X&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M395

M380 vs M390:

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...ame1=AMD+Radeon+R9+M380&D2=AMD+Radeon+R9+M390

MetalGL is up and running:

https://metalgl.com/press/metalgl-osx-announcement/
based on those results, the difference between an m395 and a m395X isn't worth the extra +300€
 
based on those results, the difference between an m395 and a m395X isn't worth the extra +300€

And I think even the difference between the the M390 and M395 is also not really worth the extra +300$. OK, you also get a bigger Fusion drive with that extra, but even when you count 100$ for the bigger Fusion the performance boost isn't that much.
 
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