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Is it possible the chip in the seven is just the same chip that's in the 6s but with low power cores added? No experience with either the 6s or the seven but it seems like the type of incremental step Tim Cook wouldn't miss a chance to capitalise on
 
Is it possible the chip in the seven is just the same chip that's in the 6s but with low power cores added? No experience with either the 6s or the seven but it seems like the type of incremental step Tim Cook wouldn't miss a chance to capitalise on
Isn't that it? Incremental updates, which they all are.
 
Is it possible the chip in the seven is just the same chip that's in the 6s but with low power cores added? No experience with either the 6s or the seven but it seems like the type of incremental step Tim Cook wouldn't miss a chance to capitalise on

Highly unlikely as the 7 plus is miles ahead in terms of benchmarks.
 
In my real world testing my 6s and 7 are 100% identical in speed (except with the 7 glitch when going back to the home screen or pulling up the app switcher).

Upgrading from 6s to a 7 is a waste of money (unless you use a $650 trade in or something).

Why do people make blanket statements like this? It may be a waste of money to you, but not to everybody. We all have our own reasons to or not to upgrade.
 
The fact the 6s beat the note 7 in tests shows you how damn fast the A9 is.

True but we are not taking Note 7. I'm more concerned that my $969 iPhone 7 Plus is basically on par speed wise with my iPhone SE that I got for $100 after $400 in Target gift cards. I might be asking a lot but I want my new iPhone 7 Plus to destroy its little brother when it comes to speed.
Lucky for me the Plus is a totally different device in other areas but I'm always looking at the speed factor.
 
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True but we are not taking Note 7. I'm more concerned that my $969 iPhone 7 Plus is basically on par speed wise with my iPhone SE that I got for $100 after $400 in Target gift cards. I might be asking a lot but I want my new iPhone 7 Plus to destroy its little brother when it comes to speed.
Lucky for me the Plus is a totally different device in other areas but I'm always looking at the speed factor.
See your point, but maybe it's the law of diminishing returns. The faster chips don't make that much difference day to day because of the other rate limiting steps like the app code itself, network speeds etc
 
I want the 2 powerful cores running at all times while the screen is on and the 2 slower cores while the screen is off.
Who cares what you want, you're not an engineer. You have literally no idea what you're talking about. At all.
 
Who cares what you want, you're not an engineer. You have literally no idea what you're talking about. At all.

Does that make you feel better tough guy?
I don't think it's unreasonable to want a newer processor to beat a older processor in real life test. So I'm still trying to figure out why you even posted here? We're on the same team if you care about performance.
 
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True but we are not taking Note 7. I'm more concerned that my $969 iPhone 7 Plus is basically on par speed wise with my iPhone SE that I got for $100 after $400 in Target gift cards. I might be asking a lot but I want my new iPhone 7 Plus to destroy its little brother when it comes to speed.
Lucky for me the Plus is a totally different device in other areas but I'm always looking at the speed factor.


Just take comfort in knowing that you have arguably the best phone available today. If you feel like you aren't getting your money's worth because you feel like it is a marginal upgrade over your previous device, return it. Don't fall into the consumerism trap and upgrade every year. These days companies are doing whatever they can to get every last penny out of your wallet.

Next year's upgrade allegedly will include a lot of new features and a redesign which I believe many will see worth the price of admission. I'm going to save my precious pennies for that and try to get another year at least out of this 6s.
 
In my real world testing my 6s and 7 are 100% identical in speed (except with the 7 glitch when going back to the home screen or pulling up the app switcher).

Upgrading from 6s to a 7 is a waste of money (unless you use a $650 trade in or something).

Totally agree. I'm contemplating returning mine, but I keep having to remind myself that I still have to sell my 6s.
 
True but we are not taking Note 7. I'm more concerned that my $969 iPhone 7 Plus is basically on par speed wise with my iPhone SE that I got for $100 after $400 in Target gift cards.
Are you unhappy with the speed of the SE in some way? Or just want the 7 to be faster because it's newer and more expensive?
 
I think the iPhone has been "fast enough" for everyday tasks since at least the 5S. Certainly, we have reached the point where we aren't going to notice a huge difference in speed for most use cases. What gets me excited about the A10 chip isn't the increase in benchmark speeds since I probably won't notice it day to day. Instead, it's the increase in battery life due to the two low power cores that made me decide to upgrade. Being able to get battery life close to my old 6S+ in the much more manageable 4.7" form factor is huge. I think it's one of the biggest innovations with A10 and I can't wait to see what future chips have in store!
 
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So you're comparing speed of the 2 phones by doing things that require very little processing power? Download some apps or games that require serious CPU power and then do a comparison. People don't race their muscle cars in 1st gear. Every benchmark test has shown the 7 as being much more powerful than any other phone released, including the 6s.
 
Are you unhappy with the speed of the SE in some way? Or just want the 7 to be faster because it's newer and more expensive?

Far from it. The SE is a beast and it's the smallest and fastest phone I've owned. One handled use while standing in line has been priceless. I'm still keeping my SE but the 7 Plus will actually replace my iPad Air 2. My iPad never leaves the house and sometimes you want a larger but portable device that fits in the pocket. It's hard to read a book or watch a movie on the SE and it's cumbersome to carry an iPad with you. The Plus is that go between device for me and I have no fear taking it into the tub with me. I truly see a 50/50 split in usage between my SE and Plus in daily activities.

But here is my concern. This video (and many others) are showing that the 6S is beating the 7 in some areas. I'm trying to figure out if it's related to software optimization or is it related to the 2 slower cores. If it's related to the slower cores I would like the option of going into full speed mode at all times. Or reserve the 2 slower cores while the screen is off or in a power saving mode. This intelligent switching crap may save battery power but I'm a power user.

 
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But here is my concern. This video (and many others) are showing that the 6S is beating the 7 in some areas...
You just might be slicing it a bit thin with this. If you've got a 7, relax and enjoy it. If you don't, you can find solace in those extra accumulated seconds you have available to do other things.
 
Isn't this analogous to what we've been seeing on the laptops too? Any laptop from the past 5 years should feel the same with simple Email/ Youtube/ Netflix tasks, since they are all powerful enough for simple tasks; and you are more likely to see improvements from RAM/ SSD etc.
 
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So you're comparing speed of the 2 phones by doing things that require very little processing power? Download some apps or games that require serious CPU power and then do a comparison. People don't race their muscle cars in 1st gear. Every benchmark test has shown the 7 as being much more powerful than any other phone released, including the 6s.

See your point, but maybe it's the law of diminishing returns. The faster chips don't make that much difference day to day because of the other rate limiting steps like the app code itself, network speeds etc

The questions then is why does the A9X in iPad Pro show performance improvements over the 6S in similar test while the 7 does not? The A10 should be the faster than the A9X. It certainly feels like the A10 in iPhone 7 is hold back by something, a bottleneck that the iPad Pro does not have.

And of course, it no question its fast chip. But I still find it interesting to know why we don't see any of this extra power in real world applications :)
 
EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES... If you can't see it , IT does NOT exist...
Compare the 7 to the 5s...
 
Isn't this analogous to what we've been seeing on the laptops too? Any laptop from the past 5 years should feel the same with simple Email/ Youtube/ Netflix tasks, since they are all powerful enough for simple tasks; and you are more likely to see improvements from RAM/ SSD etc.

But with mobile you have a more intimate and personal relationship with the device. Those little lags and micro pauses are noticeable. I still believe that there is more room for improvement in mobile. And when Apple finally decides to increase the resolution on the iPhone we may encounter the same issues that Android had when going from FHD to QHD.
And maybe one day I want my phone to double as a powerful computer that can connect to my monitor and peripherals wirelessly. Imagine running a full blown Mac OS desktop interface from your phone to a dumb terminal. Apple could have a legitimate shot at beating Windows.
 
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The performance increase of the A10 over the A9 is there. The benchmarks prove it. It's just hard to find a real-world way to test it since the A9 completely resolved any lag or delays that existed in the A8 and older. That, and Apple did a major upgrade to the flash memory read/write speed. I went from a 6 Plus to a 6s Plus last year and the performance upgrade was absolutely massive. My one year old phone is as fast as I ever wanted a phone to be, and that's still true one year and one major OS upgrade later. It was never true with prior models.

I do think the A10 advantages will be realized over time as more apps take advantage of it, but definitely don't upgrade just for the CPU. The A9 is plenty fast enough. Upgrade for the camera, water resistance, etc. If those things don't matter, stick with the 6s. It's a terrific phone.
 
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