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It'd be nice if the EU regulations would ban having wireless charging as the only option. This is something idiotic that Apple would likely try to do eventually, given their obsession with eliminating wires. While wireless charging is convenient, it's also inefficient and should never be the ONLY option. Imagine charging with a portable power bank and losing almost half the energy as heat because you can only charge wirelessly.
That’s what Apple will do in response to EU regulations.
 
It's likely Apple will include a USB Type C to Lightning adapter for European-market iPhone 12's that will allow USB-C charging at up to 25 W rate (the rate used by most higher-end cellphones Android with USB-C charging).
 
Apple's argument is both reasonable and unreasonable at the same time.

I wonder if Apple are briar-patching a bit - since iPads are now using USB-C, and Macs are all USB-C (so things like SD card readers, wired earphones, HDMI adapters could work across the whole range) it would make sense if they bought iPhone into the fold... Yeah, the lightning connector may be slightly better mechanically than USB-C, but its a lot better than the older options. However, it will break iPhone users's existing kit, so it would be great to be able to blame it on the EU...

On the other hand, the EU seems a bit obsessive about this - we've gone from 30 different chargers with proprietary captive cables to, basically, two general types of socketed chargers (USB-C and USB-A) and 4 cables (USB-A/USB-C to MicroUSB/Lightning) which sounds like success. Seems like the next step should be to roll it out to other gadgets, not engage in a War on Apple.

On the other other hand, if the directive is properly drafted, adopting USB-C could be part and parcel of adopting things like the USB-C power delivery spec and the various alt modes - so there's no nonsense like "yes, our phone will work with a standard charger, but only in low power mode" or "yes, we've got a USB-C connector, but you still need to buy our proprietary dongles...".

I mean, USB-C is a world of hurt, but its a standard world of hurt which is often the price of standards.
 
Right?? How DARE they try to reduce e-waste, make charging cables universal and make the customer experience better in one FOUL swoop. The NERVE OF IT!

The reducing e-waste argument is actually very ironic. What do you think happens to all the incompatible chargers? We need to focus on REAL sources of waste, not this imagined problem. I’m very disappointed that the EU has chosen to take on this issue as opposed to another with more tangible impact
 
They going to force all hotels, airplanes, coffee shops, et. etc. to replace the USB-A ports to charge with whatever they decide it should be
So how many cables will now be thrown out and how many additional conversion dongles will be bought and carried.
I wonder how many people don't have conversion dongles already?
 
I wonder if Apple are briar-patching a bit - since iPads are now using USB-C, and Macs are all USB-C (so things like SD card readers, wired earphones, HDMI adapters could work across the whole range) it would make sense if they bought iPhone into the fold... Yeah, the lightning connector may be slightly better mechanically than USB-C, but its a lot better than the older options. However, it will break iPhone users's existing kit, so it would be great to be able to blame it on the EU...

On the other hand, the EU seems a bit obsessive about this - we've gone from 30 different chargers with proprietary captive cables to, basically, two general types of socketed chargers (USB-C and USB-A) and 4 cables (USB-A/USB-C to MicroUSB/Lightning) which sounds like success. Seems like the next step should be to roll it out to other gadgets, not engage in a War on Apple.

On the other other hand, if the directive is properly drafted, adopting USB-C could be part and parcel of adopting things like the USB-C power delivery spec and the various alt modes - so there's no nonsense like "yes, our phone will work with a standard charger, but only in low power mode" or "yes, we've got a USB-C connector, but you still need to buy our proprietary dongles...".

I mean, USB-C is a world of hurt, but its a standard world of hurt which is often the price of standards.
That would be far worse. Now you are stifling not just connector standards, but the handshaking and power delivery standards. The whole world will move on, except for Europe which will be stuck with ancient technology while its politicians dither and decide whether or not to take the next leap.
 
This will create more waste at least in the short term. People will buy new devices and then have to throw away and replace Lightening cables for new USB-C cables and adaptors.

It’d be great if the EU could try and tackle corporate tax avoidance and the lack of data privacy we as consumers have. You know, important things.

Obligatory, I am actually pro-EU generally speaking.
 
They are absolutely correct in that forcing one standard will stifle innovation. Can you imagine if we were all stuck with micro USB in 2020 waiting for the EU to approve a better standard? While USB-C is pretty flexible, do we think it will be cutting edge 10 years from now? They should be able to control their own product.

All current MBP and Retina MBA, as well as iPad Pro, are USB-C only.

Doesn't seem like a stretch to make the iPhone USB-C?
 
Yeah, they want to take our freedom away to have two chargers in our backpack instead of one. Those bastards!

(Would love to have the option to charge my phone while at work with the Macbook-charger.)

You already can charge your iPhone with the MacBook charger, you just need the USB-C to Lightning Cable. So really its just carrying one charger and two cables if you don't want to charge both devices at the same time.
 
What on earth does this statement even mean?
Based on a reading of the article, seems pretty obvious doesn't it? Nozuka's contention is Apple's insistence on using their proprietary connector and an adapter led to the Commission being dissatisfied with their results of their initiative. Their latest attempt at regulation is a result of that dissatisfaction. Had Apple complied, we wouldn't be facing the regulation.

So that I'm clear my response is an answer to your question, not a statement of agreement with that opinion.
 
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More EU garbage. Shocker. It's always a good day not to be living under that cluster$#%@.
Yeah, the macbook with 4 usbcports nears perfection, with all 4 adapters attached to it, soon to be obsolete, but hey who cares? Not US apparently.
And to reduce clutter & waste..
Everyone should drink the same beer and eat the same chips and drive the same car & ride the same bike and live in identical houses and have 1.2 children - Where does it stop?
And have the same voltage on the socket where the pins have the same configuration, distance, size. Where left is left, right is right, a meter is a meter, an inch is an inch, a gallon is a gallon.. (cynical) you’re so right, standards are hindering innovation when it’s attached to an Apple device.. or is it the price of licensing Apple proprietary connectors, adaptors..
 
Dear idiots of the European Parliament, what about all the different wall plugs in Europe?

For example, most of Europe uses C or E/F type plugs, however in the UK and Ireland, you will only find type G sockets. In Italy, you might see a type L outlet, and in Switzerland, you might find a type J plug.
 
Yeah, they want to take our freedom away to have two chargers in our backpack instead of one. Those bastards!

(Would love to have the option to charge my phone while at work with the Macbook-charger.)
I do with mine but it is USB C so all I had to do was buy a USB C to Lightening cable.
 
This right here is the reason I can never vote for a guy like Bloomberg, or live in a neo liberal stronghold. This constant legislating solutions to problems that are so god damn minuscule, and treating every issue like it’s a must be solved crisis. I mean people are practically latching on to these crisis like they’re following a rock band. “I was a raising awareness for micro plastics before it made the news.”

when everything is a crisis or injustice, nothing is.
 
They offer it on the iPad Pro and MacBook. I don’t see the big deal bringing it also to the iPhone. Shouldn’t it make their own life easier. What a no brainer
One problem is that USB C as a protocol does more than just supply power. As a result, you would still wind up with various cables depending on what you wanted it to do, you couldn’t aim-lynbuy any 3rd party USB C cable and have it transfer data as well as supply power, for example.

In addition, having a standard power supply spec would mean it had to be set at the highest possible power requirement, meaning a lot of phones would have a more expensive power plug that is far more powerful than needed; and as device power demands increase teh EU would have to up the specs or wind up not being able to sell some devices.
 
Dear idiots of the European Parliament, what about all the different wall plugs in Europe?

For example, most of Europe uses C or E/F type plugs, however in the UK and Ireland, you will only find type G sockets. In Italy, you might see a type L outlet, and in Switzerland, you might find a type J plug.
Fantastic point.

Europe: all phones must use the same mid-2010's-technology power connector

Also Europe: you want your wall outlet to have prongs the shape of a butterfly? Go for it. You want your wall outlet to have round prongs in one building and flat prongs in another? No problem.
 
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They’ve admitted it. They want to be able to have things their own way - if they decide that the best iphone is an iphone with no ports, they don’t want to be stuck making ones with ports for the EU. If they decide that some new connector is fantastic, they don’t want to be prevented from innovating.

That’s what the EU is doing here - they are locking technology to what it is currently and preventing future innovations. They started dicking with this ten years ago. You can bet that when apple comes out with the next great thing in the Americas and Asia, it will take the EU politicians 10 years to update their law to allow out.
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No they haven’t. Many of us prefer lightning because it is more reliable (doesn’t get loose), smaller, and easier to insert.

class 3 evidence - expert opinion, no evidence presented.
 
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