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Personally, I am very much PRO tablet. I am a PC user but drool over Mac product design. I was extremely torn when i laid down a lot of cash for a top-of-the-line pc. I am an artist so it made it an especially tough decision. As I see it there are about equal positives and negatives for either decision... BUT, if Jobs were to set his boys to work on a tablet mac in the "slate" style, that was essentially the newest 17 inch powerbook G4 with the screen flipped over, I would go mac and never come back.

If Jobs really wanted to clinch the deal, he could find some way to make the "slate" style 17 in. powerbook G4 tablet wih an Oled screen to make an even thinner form factor. 😀 Just dreamin here.


BTW, I am very confused by the dimensions of this device, if it is intended to be some kind of tablet. It seems way too thick and way too small in length and width to be used to write on.

And finally... is it just me... or does a keyboard seem really archaic? There has got to be a better way. The thing I like about a tablet is that it is a more intuitive, or even intimate, way of interacting with a computer. As it is now with a keyboard and mouse you feel detached from the computer. If this means of interacting with a computer is explored and refined, i feel that in the not too distant future a mouse and keyboard will seem almost ridiculous. This is a post of mine from the recent voice recogniton thread that i feel applies here as well. It helps illustrate( ;0) ) some possibilities with a tablet.

"Ok, here is the problem... no one wants to write out all their emails by hand on a tablet pc, right?

Well, what if you used voice recognition and pen input together? Would both of these combined be better, or equivalent to typing?

Now keep in mind I have never used a voice recognition program so I don't know if they use a system like this or not.

So... here is what I envision..

Tablet pc using stylus for punctiation, either touch screen icons for comma, period, etc. etc.. Or you could manually write those puntuatationmarks in. This could also be used for odd(made-up) words or markings.

Now, VR is say 90% accurate, right? So how about if when you spoke each word, multiple words that were similar were displayed in a list below the words dictated? So you say "cat", the program types the word "chat" on the screen accidentally but lists several words that you could have meant underneath, in the order of probability. So, listed below Chat, is cat , flat, rat, spat, mat( these are just examples). So out of the list you would just touch the actual word with your stylus and it would be selected rather than the word accidentally dictated. This system still might be slow, I don't know.

Now, another idea I have that deals with background noise is a device that pilots use.... It is called a "throat mic". Pretty self explanatory right? It is a mike that is worn like a choker, you know those tight black band-like things that girls wear but with microphones built into it. This is used to get rid of the background noise of the aircraft motor. So why not use that for this application? I envision ultra sensitive mircophones built in these throat mics, so you could essentially whisper if you were around other people. This system might even be almost inaudible to someone around you at a coffee shop or at work or whatever. Now ideally this would be bluetooth enabled to get rid of those nasty cords. It could also have earphones coming off of the throat mic "choker" to your ears. I don't lnow if this could be made small enough to not look ridiculous while wearing it or not. Who knows, it might even beome fashionable! 😛

A more unusual idea, and one that I am not aware of being tried, is to create an entire language that is ideally suited for voice recognition. Does anyone know if this has been toyed with? Would there be any benefits to trying something like this? Or are the problems more so with the speaker rather than the language itself? If a language could be created that made inaccuracies almost nonexistant, it could become an international language shared by all countries. I know... this idea is little far-fetched. 😛"
 
you do get it....

I was thinking the same thing aswell, why limit the experience to a pda type of product when you already have the initiate 17inch in which you can make into an users delight, im an illustrator that has been using a iMac DV for over a year, now and sweat the PowerMac g4, and the PB17, but a 17inch tablet would be the ultimate, but considering the clues about a smaller tablet or a new iPod, resolving issues in a small package makes everyone think harder than to actually say the tablet will be 17inch,
its much easier but you learn less. Ill post a new sketch later using the same sketch, but instead use a drawer for a possible trackpad and clicker
instead of the drive, or put the drive on top
(horizontal mode)or eliminate the drive altogether and stick with the 5x7x1 ratio given
Peace
 
Rumor has it that apple is close to releasing a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Although I can think of several cool keyboard designs for a tablet, the most ergonomic and lightest solution would be no keyboard. If you want to type... walk over to the nearest bluetooth keyboard, sync it up, and you're off.

Or, as we've said, activate a virtual keyboard in part of the display. With a 5x7, if it is turned horizontally, you can squeeze both hands onto it with some room to spare (or I can, at least). Even vertically, you can peck on a tiny keyboard, though it would be like... well, like those tiny keyboards on some current PDAs.

As for a 17" model, that sounds both expensive and fragile. I can't see a 17" tablet surviving unharmed for even a year in most peoples' hands. But Apple has shown an increasing willingness to produce multiple versions of portable devices with different features and sizes. Perhaps we could all have our perfect cake. Or perhaps Apple's releasing a new iPod and we're all just dreaming....
 
As for a 17" model, that sounds both expensive and fragile. I can't see a 17" tablet surviving unharmed for even a year in most peoples' hands. But Apple has shown an increasing willingness to produce multiple versions of portable devices with different features and sizes. Perhaps we could all have our perfect cake. Or perhaps Apple's releasing a new iPod and we're all just dreaming....

I was thinking about this. What if the battery of the tablet(or any laptop) was not inside of the enclosure, but had a flat enclosure for itself. So imagine a battery in the shape and size similar to the LCD part of the 17 inch powerbook. So when you were not using the tablet you could just remove the battery from the bottom of the tablet and place it over the screen for protection? This might even allow for a modular type battery system. If you used your tablet(or laptop) for serious amounts of time during the day you could have multiple flat trays. So like 2 or 3 flat panels that stack on top of each other. If you didn't need that much power with you just use the one. If I'm not explaining this well enough let me know. lol
 
You guys are missing the point. Steve jobs has said he DOES NOT like the tablet. He is NOT making a tablet here. Rather He is making a hybrid by mixing an ipod with a tablet to make a digital media device used for watching movies on the go, listening to music, and possibly surfing the net. It is too small to be much more. We are not likely to see a "Tablet" from Apple soon. If you want to burn movies/music and take them where ever you go, this should be the device for you. I will be getting one.
 
Originally posted by jethroted
...Rather He is making a hybrid by mixing an ipod with a tablet to make a digital media device used for watching movies on the go, listening to music, and possibly surfing the net....
You forgot iChat. With cameras being all the rage on mobile devices these days, wouldn't that be a coups if Apple produced a small media device that's also a video phone?
 
Originally posted by Toe
You forgot iChat. With cameras being all the rage on mobile devices these days, wouldn't that be a coups if Apple produced a small media device that's also a video phone?

Well, that might be asking a bit much. It would be cool, except there would be no one to video phone with.
 
Tablet hype

I work with educational technology here at UVM and there was a presentation recently by a fellow from Motion Computing (selling tablets through Dell), and the response was HUGE...

All of the faculty who saw it were blown away by the ability to have something so small & flat that will run all of your classroom software (powerpoint, browsers, etc.) and be able to plug it into a projector, etc... Furthermore, it had the ability to push content directly to other tablets in the same room-- Imagine a professor with some slides on a screen that they're referring to, and they can push them to each student in the classroom at once!

Some of the folks here bought several of these tablets that day so that we can play with them and see how they really work... I'm pretty psyched to see them, but I know Apple can make something better than any Wintel manufacturer can make.

Apple has always been somewhat of a player in the education markets, but has been losing ground lately. A powerPad (iPad, iTab, powerTab, iCallItSomethingElse), offered at a good educational price (under $1000) would be a dynamite way to get right back into that market. Get them right into the hands of students & faculty alike, and they're blowing Windows' settlement out of the water 🙂

Many of the recent developments in OS X point to this sort of thing: Inkwell, Rendezvous, AirPortX, Bluetooth point to something small & portable on the horizon, and this should really be it.

My $.02

-Rob
 
You guys are missing the point. Steve jobs has said he DOES NOT like the tablet. He is NOT making a tablet here.

I don't think that is quite what he said. I thought he said something like 'who wants to write all their emails by hand' and he didn't know if people really wanted it. I just can't imagine Jobs saying 'oh yea, we are working on one right now - it is revolutionary!'. I am not that familiar with how he does things though. I thought he was very secretive about things that they plan. Am I wrong? Would he have said they were working on it at that moment?

When I watched the clip of him revealing the new 17 inch powerbook I couldn't help but feel that he wished he had something more revolutionary to reveal. Especially with the buzz for a mac tablet. My impression is that he feels like he missed the tablet boat a bit to even make the statements he did.


Rather He is making a hybrid by mixing an ipod with a tablet to make a digital media device used for watching movies on the go, listening to music, and possibly surfing the net. It is too small to be much more. We are not likely to see a "Tablet" from Apple soon. If you want to burn movies/music and take them where ever you go, this should be the device for you. I will be getting one.

I just don't understand having all these seperate devices. The ipod, a laptop, and whatever this is. Who watches movies on the go?

Wouldnt you much rather have a full on laptop/tablet than this 5 by 7 thing? Wouldn't you rather have a really small Ipod rather than this 5 by 7 thing? You might be right about Jobs not being sold on a tablet and this is just a half-hearted effort to appease mac faithuls that do want such a device. Unfortunately I feel this doesn't really please anyone.

Does anyone have any idea what a device like this might cost?
 
Tablet with a....

touchpad & clicker in a drawer feature, it can be possible to write on it or use a keyboard that shoots from underneath aswell, ill work on that sketch later. peace
 

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I am not sold on the whole idea of Tablet PC, as I can control interface or input data faster by a keyboard and a mouse (or track pad) than a tablet. However, I would like to have an Apple notebook that is truly portable - about half the weight of the current Powerbook 12 inch. So, I welcome ANY Apple devices that measure at 5x7x1.

Another company which isn't on the "Tablet PC" bandwagon is Sony (one reason is that Sony is so pissed at MS - not just from the XBox, but MS's attempt to control consumer electronics in general with their crappy OS). However, I laughed at their attempt to make an user rotate a Vaio (7.1 inch model) 90 degree to the right, hold the unit at the bottom, AND use the right thumb to operate the joystick instead of the trackpad. My right hand almost hurts while looking at the picture, and this awkward arrangement will make left-handed folks REALLY happy, I am sure.

http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/PCG-U101/Images/feat2_img04.jpg

Apple can do better than this, can't they?
 
Another company which isn't on the "Tablet PC" bandwagon is Sony (one reason is that Sony is so pissed at MS - not just from the XBox, but MS's attempt to control consumer electronics in general with their crappy OS).
That isn't a bad concept though. Why not just take all the power books and add an optional pen input screen? This would seem to please eveyone.
Personally I don't care about walking and writing at the same time. I am sure there are others that would, though. I just like the ability to draw with a pen directly on the screen, or navigate with a pen.
I am not sold on the whole idea of Tablet PC, as I can control interface or input data faster by a keyboard and a mouse (or track pad) than a tablet. However, I would like to have an Apple notebook that is truly portable - about half the weight of the current Powerbook 12 inch. So, I welcome ANY Apple devices that measure at 5x7x1.
Why would you like a device like this? Would you just like a really high quality PDA? What types of things would you want to use it for?
 
Apple has done better than this...

I think that a Powerbook is just too superior to all laptops out there and pdas and tablets that its interesting that we are asking for something smaller and more portable, for one I woudnt mind carrying a powerbook 15inch, It has everything you can ever need, even a dvd-burner! seriously how heavy is 4 pounds or so?
or how uncomfortable is a laptop to carry? we are falling into the Sony ideology that all electronics have to be reduced to the size of a cigarrette box! too small or too portable is not necesarilly better! its not always practicle and it leads to questionable battery mentallity, just a quick look on the craftsmanship of a PB and you know instantly its a superior product! now the inside counts too, wether its OS 9 or X, its still stable enough to be clasiified as a true OS, but if a smaller item is made be sure it will be as well divised as the PB, the notion that most people dont want to write their emails is a matter of personal practice, Gameboy has been around for years and it only has 4 buttons and a direction wheel but its been very popular and functional and of course it uses no keyboard nor joystick but this has never stopped its success even with the advent of xbox, sega and playstations which are vastly better machines. the point being is that if Apple makes something like a tablet it will a product that will find users, thats the pattern
of all apple products, i.e what was the use of an iPod 10 years ago when there was no Mp3s nor cd-w? so when mp3s were rising Apple came out with the 5G iPod! instead of a miserly 128mb player, I have in my collection 2Gs worth of favorite music of all time, I would have room plus more. That was then, and its only now when all companies are catching up, making iPod wanna-bes, that was a visionary idea, so this might be aswell, and thats what we have in our collective Apple psyche, that these products are forward oriented, that is what causes the perplexity and the hype. Thanks Mario
 
I think that a Powerbook is just too superior to all laptops out there and pdas and tablets that its interesting that we are asking for something smaller and more portable, for one I woudnt mind carrying a powerbook 15inch, It has everything you can ever need, even a dvd-burner! seriously how heavy is 4 pounds or so?

I think it is more about how you can carry such a device and how durable it is. How comfortable it is to carry.

The problem I have is needing all these seperate devices that do the same thing to various degrees but share many of the same components. I believe that Computers need to become more modular. Rather than having four seperate devices that have many redundant components that are various sizes, I believe that need to find a way that gets rid of the redundancy.

cell phone
digital camera
digital camcorder
Ipod
PDA
8 by 7 inch tablet uber-PDA, mini notebook
Notebook
Full power home pc
high quality monitor
big screen television

All of these devices share almost the exact same components.

I would like to see someone come along and design a whole digital lifestyle that got rid of this redundancy as much as possible.

The most important thing is ths, if this was perfected it could replace every monitor in every device.MicroOpticalWearable display MicroOptical prototype
 
I think this is what you're looking for?

I did this sketch on PS7 last week for fun as a screensaver on Spymac...
 

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thanks Seg...thanks all...

I started some of these as exercises in photoshop, I have posted some on spymac and I have learned a lot from the feedback from everyone, not only about photoshop but in product design etc, I know that some of these threads can get very heated and emotional
but I wouldnt have it any other way, we all love these machines, they are our toys or tools, for myself I wish I can make a living of my machine and leave my airport job as a parttime, but thats my goal for the future. To me this Tablet item is a puzzle I would like to solve, I would like to come very close to it if it comes out, just for kicks. I would love to have the 20 or the 23 inch display, to do my art in, Im a classical painter and a very private artist, I dont think I could ever enjoy working on a document seen through some eyewear gadget nor do I like to do my art outside, the more stuff you put together the more things can go wrong, I dont always use my cellphone, nor camera, Im very specific in my activities, Aesthetically speaking I dont like my phone looking like a early 80s phone nor my camera like a kids slide 3D viewer, Sony is very adept in compressing all these items and still making it look good, but Sony does not have an OS, we all know that, whats the likelyhood that Sony and Apple ever contribute so at least we get a decent looking item?(if its an item that incorporates many) who knows, we know the OS on it would not be an issue. For now the tablet item is the subject for speculation and investigation,which is the nature of this thread, its like trying to guess what are we getting for Christmas. I think the initial stages of any product design looks something like these threads, some negative some positive, I appreciate all. Mario
 
Peeps,

One of my very few posts here. but I figured maybe if we look for what problem a tablet would solve we could be close. Imagine this. A small 5X7 tablet that includes WiFi, Bluetooth and a decent sized Hard Disk. You would pair this tablet with all your computers and cell phones. On it's hard disk would be all your docs and folders. You can use it a standalone device remote control screen, or Home Directory for your paired computers. So picture this. You walk into your office, put this tablet on a charger somewhere and use it as an external disk thorugh WiFi. You're on a train, your powerbook is in your briefcase, but this tablet let's you access it without bringing it out. You're at home watching TV, want to check your mail, this tablet let's you check it through your iMac in the den. In a few words this tablet would hold all your data, act as an extrernal hard disk for your desktop, laptop, digital camera and iTunes. It would also act as a simple browser, MPS player etc in standalone mode as well as provide remote access for your computing resources at home or the office.. Guess this would be taking this tablet paradigm one step further... Just my 2c worth..
 
Re: nay nay nay

Originally posted by dongmin
Apple definietly should not get into the Tablet market. Why? Because everyone has a different idea of what they want to do with it.

-Some people just want a laptop without the keyboard. What's the point? Others want a detachable screen, but is it even possible to send video signals wirelessly?

-Some people want a PDA with all the useless software that PDAs come with. There's a reason the PDA market is shrinking.

-Some people want a tablet for drawing on, for which they have a thing called the wacom tablet.

-Some people want something cheap, in the $500-800 range. Others are willing to shell out $1200-2000.

There is simply no clear and defined demand. The reason the iPod is so successful is because it addressed a very specific need and addressed it very well. People want to add all these extra features to the iPod--like a color screen, video playback, touch-screen, etc.--but those extra features will add a level of complexity, bulk, and cost that will compromise the design and useability of the iPod.
That is the beauty of Windows XP Tablet PC Edition along with the myriad tablets we have.

Alias has a sketching app for Tablets. Those artists who use that app is probably using some Tablets that do without keyboards.

Some prefer twist-into-a-laptop-and-back-to-a-tablet to have the best of both worlds.

You have SO MANY options.
 
It may be so...

I wrote before that ten years ago the iPod would of been useless, since Mp3s were non exsistent, when mp3s where getting a little more popular and people began to see the brilliance of them, Apple decided to build a player with not 128mbs of memory but with 5gigs of storage, thats a massive amount of storage even in todays standards for an mp3 player. The point is that this item however ambivalent people might be about it has the potential to be a forward oriented product similar to the iPod, that this thread had gone long enough is evidence that it is stirring a lot of emotions. Whats more perplexing is the resistance to this product, its like if this item not yet created has so much power over me or you? 15 years ago when some of us where enjoying the tick-tock of Word or the banality of Pong, who knew that we where going to enjoy iTunes?, who was it that demanded speakers on their computers otherwise they would'nt proceed a step further inputing data into their dumb terminals? items like these always find users. I was at CompUSA today and got a chance to see one of those generic tablets, what a waste of energy, but I bet you someone finds it amazing or even functional?, I dont, specially after experiencing the Power book, but there are those out there that find paintings of Elvis on velvet to be outstanding pieces of art? when you get exposed to something good you learn. From the primitives of MS we got a tired overgrown pda, from Apple we can expect a Future-geared item, that is if they build it, if not Im more than happy with the items we have now, which are years ahead of anything MS can dish out of their o'erteemed wombs. Peace Mario😎
 
about the cebit iTablet....its very pretty...

and I mean that in a condescending way, The only thing going for them is the translucent case
but the craftsmanship is shotty, the black border has no purpose, and to boot its running the crayola OS (pun intended), a poor imitation of the iMac flat panel, this is from people who do not have any taste and have design issues, sorry you can name it "i" whatever its still not a paletteable dish for me. you psyched me out, I thought you obtained a pic of the real thing! I seen this posted on spymac.com. But thanks anyway for posting a reference for us to expect better than.
Peace
 
Just a quick rant. . .

Just my quick whimsical fantasies, but I would really like to see a true "mini-pc". I know Apple dissed them when releasing the 12-inch PB, praising the fact that it's so small with so many features, but I would like one of those types, in real Apple style, with the same computer-cropped-to-keyboard style in the 12-inch, while taking out everything but AirPort Extreme, BlueTooth, and FireWire, so that I can transfer quick files back and forth between my computer and the "Mini", and for larger files, I have the FireWire, and for quick printing or syncing a PDA or whatever, I have the BlueTooth. I am sick and tired of having to dig and heave, pulling out my old fat iBook 300MHz and plopping it on my desk, then hardly being able to see the professor. I would really like just a simple "Mini", no bigger than the PB-sized keyboard, and running OS X (or some version minus some of the eye-candy, if necessary).


Sorry, my first post in a long time and I just wanted to get that out. . . 😱
 
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