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whooleytoo said:
Ah, now that's an interesting take.

Then again, what is sound, if not a vibration or compression of air molecules...?

Sound in your mind's perception of that vibration. The actual experience of "sound" is essentially arbitrary. Just as with colour. :eek:
 
eme jota ce said:
Check out plinden's earlier post:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/2147251/

Of course, I don't know enough about what he said or who he is... might just be another way of tricking noobs and Leopard geeks into doing something bad to their machines.
Believe me, I've been around here long enough not to want to scew up anyone else's machine.

Unless I'm a hacker who's subverted plinden's account :D
 
Changing permissions on apps

Ok, I've set up a new account for admin, declawed by every-day account, and am in the process of changing permissions on all my (many!) apps.

In the pic below, I change the ownership to system, but what should I do with the "group" category??

Edit: Found the answer in other posts. I'm terrified of Terminal, but I'm gonna try to use the $ cd /Applications and then sudo chown -R name:admin *.app to change permissions and group to my new admin account. I've got way too many apps to do it one by one.
 

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Can anybody of those (idiots I am tempted to say) who claim that this is not a virus explain me what in their view is the difference between a virus and a worm?

Because according to the definitions given here, there are only two types of malware, worms and trojans, those spreading without user interaction and those requiring user interaction.
 
dejo said:
'cd /Applications'

Edit: Maybe I can write a Unix executable to automate this for everyone. I will call it 'latestfix.tgz'. ;)
Well, here's a unix script. It's a txt file because MacRumors doesn't allow .sh extensions. Doesn't make any different to running it though.
Download it to your home directory, open Terminal and run it by "source latestpicsfix.txt".

You might want to study it well first or try it in a spare account.
 

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manu chao said:
Can anybody of those (idiots I am tempted to say) who claim that this is not a virus explain me what in their view is the difference between a virus and a worm?

Because according to the definitions given here, there are only two types of malware, worms and trojans, those spreading without user interaction and those requiring user interaction.

A trojan is something that is hidden from the operator that opens the doors to intruders secretly. A worm self propgates itself throught he internet for various different means, either transporting a virus or trojan or other piece of malware, and a virus (generally) has a destructive payload in it.
 
Oh MAN...

Please tell me this is how it was supposed to look when I ran the Terminal command to change all permissions on all my app. I am TERRIFIED of Terminal, but decided to give it a try. Am I really supposed to get a lecture about safe computer use in Terminal??? :eek:

Please tell me I did it right....:confused:
 

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johnadurcan said:
...I think Mac Rumours is actually harmful to the mac community as a whole. I like the rumours when they come in, but articles like this are nothing but sensational news rants intended to bring in hits...

And because of your rant about a rant...there are several more posts...thanks for helping Mac Rumours artificially boost their own popularity...not to mention Arn's ego...

...I have been schooled in the past when I ranted about an items newsworthiness...remember..."News and Rumors You Care About"...if you don't care, I'm sure someone else does (namely my dyed in the wool PC nob friends...do they really need this ammo?)
 
annk said:
Please tell me this is how it was supposed to look when I ran the Terminal command to change all permissions on all my app. I am TERRIFIED of Terminal, but decided to give it a try. Am I really supposed to get a lecture about safe computer use in Terminal??? :eek:

Please tell me I did it right....:confused:
You did it right (I hope you don't mind that your name is displayed in that image you posted). The "lecture" only happens the very first time you use 'sudo'. :)
 
annk said:
Please tell me this is how it was supposed to look when I ran the Terminal command to change all permissions on all my app. I am TERRIFIED of Terminal, but decided to give it a try. Am I really supposed to get a lecture about safe computer use in Terminal??? :eek:

Please tell me I did it right....:confused:
Yes, that's expected. You did it exactly right.
Type ls -la and check that all the directories are now owned by bigcheese.

Although, I wouldn't actually have done it like this since some of the apps would have been owned by root previously. I would have changed just the non-root owned apps. But you'll find out soon enough if it's ok.
 
johnadurcan said:
The fact is that MacRumors have done nothing but damage the Mac community by creating a story out of thin air...

I disagree with your specifics, but I totally agree that this has totally and unfairly hurt the Mac's image. This is a piece of malware, but if you read the report and the initial forum posts it makes this thing sound MUCH worse than it is. This MacRumors report was the one that was picked up by the regular media in their initial reports and gave this thing a terrible and false spin. I'm really disappointed in this place right now. I wonder if subconsciously the MacRumors staff might have been wanting to take a bite out of Apple given the way the rumor sites have gotten the evil eye from Apple over the recent past.
 
jsw said:
You did it right (I hope you don't mind that your name is displayed in that image you posted). The "lecture" only happens the very first time you use 'sudo'. :)

THANK YOU for the fast reply!!!

I wasn't sure how smart it was to post a screenshot of Terminal for computer security reasons, but I guess I don't mind my name is there. I was more concerned about someone telling me if I'd done it wrong. Maybe I'll edit out the attachment now that I know I did it right.

Edit: Thanks to plinden, too. I'll leave the screenshot up for a while in case other Terminal n00bs (sounds like a disease, heh) need to see what it looks like.
 
Mac guide entry needed

Someone should set up a Mac Guide entry on how to set up a declawed user account.
 
First Virus for Mac OSX?

Wouldn't it be nice for apple to maintain the illusion that OSX was safe. You would be like a sitting duck, eh! For example when you download a program and it ask you for your admin password, have you ever bothered to read the small print. It goes something like this, if this software does anything to your computer we are legally not responsible. Now why would they say something like this?...............:rolleyes:
 
I was just thinking, are Apple as hot on security as we make out, ie are they just the fortunate guardians of an intrinsically secure product that they think just needs a fine tune here and there? and with the so-say biggest brains in the OS X business at their disposal, have not forseen this latest security blip which by all accounts seems to be a perfectly reasonable what-if come true.

All the perfectly reasonable suggestions on this forum to id apps with italics, or icons which glow when moused over seem to be great ideas. Are they technically impossible, impractical, way beyond what Apple have thought about, or do Apple think, well, only a dumb user gives images permission to launch?
 
FROM HERE ON OUT, I AM ONLY GOING TO GIVE THE MIRRORED LINK TO PEOPLE WITH SECURITY GROUPS OR EXPERIENCED MAC USERS. IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A SECURITY GROUP, PLEASE GIVE YOUR COMPANY'S NAME.

yankeefan24.
 
manu chao said:
Can anybody of those (idiots I am tempted to say) who claim that this is not a virus explain me what in their view is the difference between a virus and a worm?

Because according to the definitions given here, there are only two types of malware, worms and trojans, those spreading without user interaction and those requiring user interaction.
Definitions are inconsistent, which is why we have these arguments, each providing "proof" using one of the dictionaries.

By some definitions, requiring user interaction means it is NOT a worm, while by others that doesn't rule it out.

My assessment: Like a Trojan horse by most definitions, this program poses as something else to get people to invoke it. Like a virus or worm by most definitions, it propagates (or tries to). Like a virus by most definitions, it attaches itself to other programs. Unlike a worm by most definitions, it cannot travel by itself. So I call it a Trojan horse AND a virus, but not a worm.

If you prefer to use a definition where Trojan horses and worms are mutually exclusive, then Trojan horse alone applies.
 
plinden said:
Although, I wouldn't actually have done it like this since some of the apps would have been owned by root previously. I would have changed just the non-root owned apps. But you'll find out soon enough if it's ok.

Interesting - I went through many apps by hand and never encountered a 'root', just my old admin-enabled account and system for the Apple apps.

Any example of some common one that installed with a 'root' owner? Maybe I just missed them.
 
grussgott said:
Wouldn't it be nice for apple to maintain the illusion that OSX was safe. You would be like a sitting duck, eh! For example when you download a program and it ask you for your admin password, have you ever bothered to read the small print. It goes something like this, if this software does anything to your computer we are legally not responsible. Now why would they say something like this?...............:rolleyes:
I'm guessing that you presented your question an the rhetorical sense...just in case...do you honestly believe that Apple can allow themselves to be 100% culpable if the software "does something" to a users computer?
Apple has no control over the single most debilitating action brought upon the computers it produces...worse that any virus or trojan, or worm or what have you...The User!
 
BobVB said:
Interesting - I went through many apps by hand and never encountered a 'root', just my old admin-enabled account and system for the Apple apps.

Any example of some common one that installed with a 'root' owner? Maybe I just missed them.
Hmm, all my OS X installed apps are owned by root, iPhoto.app etc.
But then my only experience with the Mac OS X is my iMac, which is only two weeks old and hasn't had its OS reinstalled (by the way, I have almost 20 years Unix experience so I'm very comfortable in Terminal.)
 
plinden said:
Hmm, all my OS X installed apps are owned by root, iPhoto.app etc.
But then my only experience with the Mac OS X is my iMac, which is only two weeks old and hasn't had its OS reinstalled (by the way, I have almost 20 years Unix experience so I'm very comfortable in Terminal.)

Ahhh well Disk Utilities when 'repairing permissions' will change them to UID 0 (whatever that is named - 'system' on mine) So all is probably good.
 
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