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Originally posted by Bozola
I think time will tell but this is an interesting read...


http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59381,00.html

Thnkas for the link Bozola - that was interesting. I do like the design. It's going to look great in any office - but just picture it in with woods - in a clean and modern, maple floor design studio setting or in the warmer setting of a home office with cherry-toned funiture. I think astetically, it again rises to the mark of becoming a really nice design addition to the room its in. Sure - it'll look a little odd sitting out in a ornate mahogany space, but so did a G4... or just about any computer.
 
Originally posted by jacobj
It is utilitarian and relatively flexible. You could put it in an old office with oak panelling or a modern loft convertion and it would look just great.

If its an antique oak desk, you might really want to be very very careful in putting the PowerMac G5 near it. The edges on the handles are pretty sharp. And its not that light either, so, one wrong move, and you could have a dented oak desk.
 
The G4 Cube used convection only, with the vents on the top and the bottom, and I bet that was a b!tch to make and cool. And that was with one of the lower power PowerPC chips!

One of the guys I worked with said to me, "You can't shrink a watt." When you put power in, you need to take it out. Its easier to take it out when you have the room to do it with. And that requires airflow.

Unless you want liquid cooling. Can you hear the tech support calls? "Help! My PowerMac sprung a leak when I moved it next to my waterbed." :D
 
what about this would this have been that much harder to do over the beauty they currently have..

atleast the little apple logo. the 2nd drive would be nice too


g5dualdrive.jpg
 
Dont Hurt Me:

the performance is going to be something else when 64 bit apps are made. Even on current 32 bit is smoking.
64 bits don't make any positive performance contibution at all unless you are doing very certain integer operations or are using more than 2gigs of RAM. Spead the wisdom!

The G5 will benefit from better instruction ordering and instruction mixes when software is optimized, and the Opteron benefits from 64-bit mode because it gains extra registers, which the G5 does not (PPC chips have enough already).
 
Originally posted by adamfilip
what about this would this have been that much harder to do over the beauty they currently have..

atleast the little apple logo. the 2nd drive would be nice too

g5dualdrive.jpg

You just added 2 inches to a box that is already 20 inches tall! (10% size). Not to mention hurting the airflow for one of the processors! What has the poor little IBM 970 chip ever done to you? :p
 
Originally posted by jacobj
It is utilitarian and relatively flexible. You could put it in an old office with oak panelling or a modern loft convertion and it would look just great. I have found that Apple's recent products look better in the flesh, e.g. New Powerbooks, iPods. To be honest, as lovely as the iMac is, it looks better in pictures that it does in life. Get down to a store in August and look at the G5 and then let's have this conversation

I disagree: my iMac has only grown more beautiful in my eyes with time (up close and personal). As for my blueberry iBook: it has brought me lots of aesthetic pleasure. I think the new G5 looks "tinny" and this from someone who worshipped at the shrine of the tiBook when it first came out. I'm not opposed to a metal/industrial look: this one just looks cheap. Caveat: I've only seen the photos on the Apple site, but I'm not drooling to see one as I was with the the iBooks (all the iterations), the iMacs (all the iterations), and the Powerbooks (starting with Blackbird)...
 
i am somewhat of an aspiring artist, and i found the g5's case to be beautifully functional. it gos together so well, so cleanly, so perfectly, it's a definate work of art.

the quiet part is a bonus too...my blue and white g3 is currently summoning Hurrican Cindy inside it's case. which, to be honest, is too plasticy for me. i like metal. it has a much more honest feel to it.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
The G5 was such a departure from the plastic flow look that it shocked a lot of us. After downloading and reading the technology overview i am more impressed with this machine and where it is going to take apple. ...Wyrm is that a combo drive you have pictured. Is it getting better looking or is it me?

I agree - this to me, is the right way to go.

I admit, I was a little shocked, but the more I look at it, the better I think it looks. Besides, does any one know the code name for this Mac? Or is "Cheese-Grater" going to stick?

Re: Combo
Actually using GIMP I just cut some parts of the Xserve and pasted them on the G5.
I was actually hoping for an XServe-like design. I especially like the cpu meters on the Xserve and hoped they would be put on the G5 (I know it's rather shallow - but woooo look at the pretty lights!)... I still think they should have used a slot drive, since it goes with the simplicity theme (no tray-duh!).

I guess we have to wait to see them when they come out - and FINALLY they are putting an Apple store in Tokyo (off topic warning)! Weeee. In the Ginza, no-less. Back few years ago, 1 square meter went for about $1 Million US for floor space in the Ginza.... how many G5s do you have to sell to make that back?

-Wyrm
 
There is nothing wrong with the design, the current machines are ugly metal boxes with fancy plastic stuck to the side.

I'm sure if enough people whine somebody will come out with glue-on beige plastic panels to make everybody hankering for that traditional computer look happy.

Or you can be daring and use that horrible looking wood &/or carbon fiber stuff that people buy for their car interiors. ;)

[edit - how long til somebody powdercoats one black, or gets out some automotive paint and an airbrush?]
 
Originally posted by Wyrm
Besides, does any one know the code name for this Mac? Or is "Cheese-Grater" going to stick?

I was hoping to promote the nickname "Shredder" myself, both because it resembles an institutional-kitchen sized shredder and, naturally, the connotations with the old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles nemesis. And possibly some mid-80's skate punk terminology. And the breakfast cereal by the same name, if that still exists. Now that's a nickname with history!

edit: Breakfast cereal was called "Shreddies," I believe. Haven't seen it in a long time.
 
I read "somewhere" last night (I'm too tired to track it down) that the design reviews from people in the field are essentially a base hit, not a homerun like the iMac for which he has won tons of rewards.
I don't hate it. It's better than any peeCee in the world. But it what's inside that draws me: the exterior gives me the degree of aesthetic pleasure that high industrial or minimalist interior design usually does: nice to look at in a mag; wouldn't want to live with it. Obviously, living with the G5 is different because it's just a tool...you don't have to sit on it.
 
What strikes me about the photos of the G5 is what they don't show us. I've seen very few photos of it next to a display and none with a keyboard or mouse hanging around.
It probably because they don't complement each other much. The whole lucite and white look on the displays and inputs was appropriate for the last generation of designs. Don't you think they need to produce a new keyboard, mouse and display series for the alu. look of the G5, xserves and PowerBooks?
 
Senseless senses

About time the internals of a computer have the same aesthetics as high-end amplifiers! Very sexy, indeed. But why didn´t they make the door see-trough?

It´s a bit like opening the bonnet of an Audi! The engine looks better than the car!
 
Cheese Grater?

Hahah. You guys are right. It does look like a cheese grater. Or at least a kitchen appliance. And I think that's what bothers me the most about the front grille. It doesn't look computer-y at all. Maybe that's a good thing.

I guess I really have to see the machine up close and personal to make a true assessment.
 
KEYBOARD AND MOUSE

TitaniumBook
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What strikes me about the photos of the G5 is what they don't show us. I've seen very few photos of it next to a display and none with a keyboard or mouse hanging around.
It probably because they don't complement each other much. The whole lucite and white look on the displays and inputs was appropriate for the last generation of designs. Don't you think they need to produce a new keyboard, mouse and display series for the alu. look of the G5, xserves and PowerBooks?
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I made a comment in an earlier thread about the same thing... Apple's G5 tech specs sheet showed that the G5 ships with an "Apple Pro Keyboard and Mouse" however, since the new eMacs came out (there's one at my house) and they revised the keyboard it only says "Keyboard" and "mouse" on the bottom.. not PRO like it used to... that implies new keyboard and mouse to me...
 
Re: Senseless senses

Originally posted by Belly-laughs
About time the internals of a computer have the same aesthetics as high-end amplifiers! Very sexy, indeed. But why didn´t they make the door see-trough?

It´s a bit like opening the bonnet of an Audi! The engine looks better than the car!

in the interview with Ive on Wired's page, Ive states that with the design of the door (2 layers) it HAS been designed to run with the door off so it can be seen.
:D :D :D
 
Re: Re: Senseless senses

Originally posted by michaelrjohnson
in the interview with Ive on Wired's page, Ive states that with the design of the door (2 layers) it HAS been designed to run with the door off so it can be seen.
:D :D :D


Correct, that's why they included the plastic clear panel inside the outer door. you can take the door off, leave the clear panel on, and the machine will run just as cool with the outer door off.
 
Turned on its side, the new G5 reminds me of a record player our family had in the early Sixties. The 6" mono speaker was mounted behind a full-width perforated grille on the front.

But I don't say that to be snide. When Steve Jobs unveiled the G5 on the rotating pedestal, I was silent like everyone else because my inability to distinguish the front from the back temporarily baffled me.

Yet on further reflection, what Wired called the "brutal austerity" of the G5 is an amazingly muscular design statement. It confidently asserts that "form follows function; performance speaks for itself; beauty is what beauty does; take it or leave it."

I'll take it.

As others pointed out, anodized aluminum is easily colored. (The color is embedded in the anodized oxide layer, so it's a metallic color, not an organic pigment.) Charcoal-colored grilles front and back would be a distinctive change to highlight the next revision. But blue is possible too!

Numerous perforation patterns are available as well (square holes, round holes, 60-degree staggered holes, 90-degree aligned holes, etc.) Changes in color and perforation provide plenty of scope for third-party customization or Apple's revisions, while retaining the basic form/function of the case.

Nothing's stopping our designer colleagues who feel the G5 needed a couple of more passes, from developing their own proposals. I would enjoy seeing their ideas posted here.
 
Re: Re: The G5 Look

Originally posted by jbomber
Yeah. I'm a designer, and I think it's pretty terrible. The profile is alright, but the front and back certainly leave a lot to be desired. I've been saying that I understand the overall statement Jonathan Ive was trying to make, but I don't think he quite nailed it. It looks like it could certainly have benefitted from a couple more passes in the drawing room. Most of the other industrial designers i've spoken too seem to agree.

so most industrial designers like the same things? wow what an interesting group...
 
Re: Re: Re: The G5 Look

Originally posted by dongmin
so most industrial designers like the same things? wow what an interesting group...

Wait... I'm having a brainstorm... Michael Graves does the next G5 revision... now in addition to the iMac that matches your Ikea desk lamp, you can have a tower that matches your 5-speed cherry-enamel blender... sweet!
 
Originally posted by bbarnhart
the case has large bones and a wonderful personality.

Aww...does that mean you won't call it in the morning? ;)

The inside of the G5 tower is a work of engineering art, in my opinion. Clean and logical and beautiful in its precision. A place for everything, and everything in its place, just _so_ . Lovely.

I like the case personally, but it does take some getting used to. The handles especially convey a sense of abruptness. Taken altogether, it does indeed demand that you take it on its own merits. If nothing else, no one can accuse it of being a "girlie" computer. :rolleyes:

Dollars to donuts that the "Cheese Grater" name will stick. Certainly there's no mistaking which machine you mean with that moniker! (well, at least until they update the specs).

Code name "Neo", huh? Smeagol, Neo....one guess as to the movie tastes of Apple's design department. :D
 
Like some here, I think the G5's look is a sleeper hit, the more I look at it, especially in the up-close shots, the more I like it. Solid, rugged, yet very minimal. It probably will stay tasteful a lot longer than many of the iMac flavours did.

I can't wait for mine.

Mike.
 
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