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I'm a bit half and half. The design has already grown on me somewhat...them pics on macrumors i thought it was so horrid, but on the apple site it looks kinda nice, excpet maybe the optical drive could have been hidden better like the quicksilver and added another one along with the lacking of anymore hd's (maybe cost with each having seperate controllers?). The worst thing about the design is the front panel..the front ports look pc like and the placemnt of them and the powerbutton with the none mesh stripe...along the bottom could have looked better but maybe couldn't be done.

The best part seems to be how the speaker is hidden and the side is nice, though knida looks like a 3d render...but by far the best really is it looks nothing like that aweful fake doing the rounds and much nicer than any attepts by spymac people etc...though the one with the cleap plastic cube like feet was alright. At the m,oment i'd probably give it a 7 out of 10, probs rising higher if i saw it in person.

What idont understand though is the complete different motherboard for the low end...only pci, 4 memory slots at lower speed and maybe other things. Does this mean that the middle model (that has the same specs as the high end) will go to duel pretty soon as if not and its a different mobo again then that seems a waste.

Anyone know if the pro key and mouse are the same as the old one (as it says pro not like emac) ior a new design (we havnt seen that i can see so maybe they are finalizing before aug)
 
MacMice has been selling a stand for the new G5 for a few days now, implying that they had seen it. It's pretty clear it was all hype and BS. Thier advertising copy:

"Apple's shiny new PowerMacintosh G5 tower is perhaps the most exquisitely designed professional computer ever produced. With its gleaming aluminum colored surfaces, its shining details, and smartly detailed front panel, this is as much a work of art as it is a computer. And, works of art do not belong on the floor."

Smartly detailed front panel? Shining details? What a crock!:rolleyes:
 
"pc's are all getting cheaper macs are getting more expensive. I dont get it but i think they missed the ball, i hope iam wrong ( the 2 top machines are great ) except for a lousy 5200fx in the 1.8. also base machine is way overpriced for what you get"

I see a lot of people already complaining about the price of the lowest model (1.6 GHz). These machines are designed for professionals, a 1.6 will give a 3.0 GHz P4 a run, and if you compare to the Dell XPS (which doesn't have a superdrive but does have a better videocard and more ram not to mention it's software sucks), the Dell is $600.00 more. Add a super drive and it's $800.00 more. The 1.6 GHz is very competetively priced in my opinion and a dual 2.0 GHz for under $3000.00 is a steal. Remember these are marketed towards power users not the average public. Want to compare and "average Joe PC to a mac, compare it to the iMac and remember to price a 17" LCD for the PC.
 
Its nice, but a perforated Cube would have done the job as well. ;)

Its a nice design......a piece of modern art. They'll eventually make the machine a bit taller to allow for another optical drive, but nobody needs 4 harddrives. With HD sizes increasing, it seems rather silly to keep the max number of HD's at 4 when technology is advancing, eliminating the need for such a crutch.
 
this is coming from someone using a powermac 800 geforce3 with a gig of mem so come on, 5200fx??256 mem???pci only not x, the 1.6 is overpriced, they should have given us a 1.4, 700 bus for under $1500.00, 2 grand is a little high for entry these days. add monitor and whats that?? are we all millionaires?? i am not! going over 2 grand on base machine is a mistake. I thought if anything price would go down. or be the same since we have beeen fed moto'stagnation for so long.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
this is coming from someone using a powermac 800 geforce3 with a gig of mem so come on, 5200fx??256 mem???pci only not x, the 1.6 is overpriced, they should have given us a 1.4, 700 bus for under $1500.00, 2 grand is a little high for entry these days. add monitor and whats that?? are we all millionaires?? i am not! going over 2 grand on base machine is a mistake. I thought if anything price would go down. or be the same since we have beeen fed moto'stagnation for so long.
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Apple makes money on hardware, and they need to sell the new machines for as much as they can get away with. The price will go down don't you worry. It's always this way with new technology, you pay for the "newest, coolest and fastest".

peas,
 
Jeez, $2K is not just a little pricey for entry level, its a little pricey for top of the line.

Man, no matter how fast it may be, the case is fugly and no 2nd optical drive sucks.

What's going to happen now that macs are ugly? :)
 
i think it looks pretty good, all it needs really is a redesigned monitor to finish it off.. :)
 
But it's not an entry level consumer computer. You may want it to be a consumer computer but it is a work station positioned against the FASTEST PCs on the planet. You may want it cheaper but the fact is that Apple has produced an entry level workstation that is CHEAPER than a similar entry level workstations from Dell. People claiming that Apple needs a low cost PowerMac should really be calling for the iMac to be updated. What a lot of people are looking for is a faster $1700.00 iMac that is as fast as a 2.6 Ghz P4 (with a 1.4 GHz PPC970). The good news is that after the pro line is updated, the consumer "lower-cost" machines should be updated significantly.
 
Cheap, beautiful and quiet - a wonderful day for Mac

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Jeez, $2K is not just a little pricey for entry level, its a little pricey for top of the line.

Man, no matter how fast it may be, the case is fugly and no 2nd optical drive sucks.

What's going to happen now that macs are ugly? :)
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Two points:

Have you priced a dual Xeon workstation? Go over to Dell... even go up to a 2.8 single processor, not to mention dual anything and you're going over the 2k mark once you do things like put in an adequate HD and Vid cd. For a dual 3 GHz Xeon with a modest HD, slower ram, a non-8x AGP card (a 4x stuck in the 8x slot), you're well over $3,000.00. Oh, goodness, you're well over $4,000.00

Second point - it's really very pretty. Just fantastic clean design. It actually reminds me a little of a clean version of the black IBM workstations. The quiet design is also welcome - there are quieter consumer P4 machines out there, but the dual Xeons are louder. I supposed Apple must have taken the noise issue to heart and am so glad to see it given so much attention as well as presentation time. So, I suppose I've got to go with option 4.
I really love the look of the thing - my dual 1.42 G4 is jealous.
 
oh well

Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
Really, do you guts really care what it looks like, its the fastest desktop out there, by a longshot, and panther is going to rock the house. I don't care what it looks like as long as it can render my video real fast (witch it can much faster than my 800g4, plus I like the design of the case as well.) Time is money, and this machine will save time.:)
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yes we do care how it looks, we like cars that are fast and girls that are smart but we want good looks too.
its the fastest only when in dual form the p4 beats the other two (except altivec apps) but not by much.
the bottom unit is way overpriced, probably to make room for the outgoing 1.25 g4's
we have to get used to it the ba g3 came out in 99 and apple keot the same basic desighn for all these years that would mean2007 for update
 
Originally posted by pwm519
But it's not an entry level consumer computer. You may want it to be a consumer computer but it is a work station positioned against the FASTEST PCs on the planet. You may want it cheaper but the fact is that Apple has produced an entry level workstation that is CHEAPER than a similar entry level workstations from Dell. People claiming that Apple needs a low cost PowerMac should really be calling for the iMac to be updated. What a lot of people are looking for is a faster $1700.00 iMac that is as fast as a 2.6 Ghz P4 (with a 1.4 GHz PPC970). The good news is that after the pro line is updated, the consumer "lower-cost" machines should be updated significantly.
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the out going g4's are currently the entry level at 1599 for a dual add 200 for the superdrive it can compete with ant 2.8 or slower p4 at most things except games and 3d(not enough bandwith)
i wish apple included them in there benchmarks
 
Re: Cheap, beautiful and quiet - a wonderful day for Mac

Originally posted by law guy
Have you priced a dual Xeon workstation? Go over to Dell... even go up to a 2.8 single processor, not to mention dual anything and you're going over the 2k mark once you do things like put in an adequate HD and Vid cd. For a dual 3 GHz Xeon with a modest HD, slower ram, a non-8x AGP card (a 4x stuck in the 8x slot), you're well over $3,000.00. Oh, goodness, you're well over $4,000.00
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I think the problem is this:

Dell sells two basic types of PCs:

Dimension 8300, which is basically a P4 2.4-3.0 ghz. w/ 800mhz. FSB, single proc, sells for about $699 after rebate w/ 256 MB of RAM and 2.6 ghz. proc. (entry level)

Dell Precision Workstation, dual Xeons for about $4000.

Apple is missing the boat here because although they compete extremely well with the Dual Xeon workstation, on both price and performance, they are not competing with the entry level machine.

I bought one of those Dimension 8300s for $760 and I got a Radeon 9800 graphics card in it, 256 MB of DDR400 RAM, and a 30GB hard drive (I upgraded the RAM to 1GB with 3rd party and the hard drive to 120GB right away).

The new G5s are awesome, and I would love to own a dual 2ghz., but the single 1.6 is a total ripoff for the price.

For that price ($1999), I could have bought a tricked out P4 3 ghz. with like 2 GB of DDR400 RAM, dual 120GB ATA133 hard drives, Radeon 9800 Pro graphics, 19" flat panel LCD monitor, 5.1 surround sound, etc.
 
For accuracy's sake, let's remember that the absolute base model of the Power Mac G5 is $1799, with the combo drive instead of the super drive.
 
speed and space and raid

Originally posted by Abstract
Its nice, but a perforated Cube would have done the job as well. ;)

Its a nice design......a piece of modern art. They'll eventually make the machine a bit taller to allow for another optical drive, but nobody needs 4 harddrives. With HD sizes increasing, it seems rather silly to keep the max number of HD's at 4 when technology is advancing, eliminating the need for such a crutch.
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most pros dont want 4 hard drives for space they want them for speed using diff flavers of raid say 3 10000 sata raptors and one lare sata to back them up.
 
Re: Re: Cheap, beautiful and quiet - a wonderful day for Mac

Originally posted by illumin8
I think the problem is this:

Dell sells two basic types of PCs:

Dimension 8300, which is basically a P4 2.4-3.0 ghz. w/ 800mhz. FSB, single proc, sells for about $699 after rebate w/ 256 MB of RAM and 2.6 ghz. proc. (entry level)

Dell Precision Workstation, dual Xeons for about $4000.

Apple is missing the boat here because although they compete extremely well with the Dual Xeon workstation, on both price and performance, they are not competing with the entry level machine.

I bought one of those Dimension 8300s for $760 and I got a Radeon 9800 graphics card in it, 256 MB of DDR400 RAM, and a 30GB hard drive (I upgraded the RAM to 1GB with 3rd party and the hard drive to 120GB right away).

The new G5s are awesome, and I would love to own a dual 2ghz., but the single 1.6 is a total ripoff for the price.

For that price ($1999), I could have bought a tricked out P4 3 ghz. with like 2 GB of DDR400 RAM, dual 120GB ATA133 hard drives, Radeon 9800 Pro graphics, 19" flat panel LCD monitor, 5.1 surround sound, etc.
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whoa thats good i thought the ati 9800 card by itself was $400 even for pc's
 
duals across the board

this may still happen one imac and emac and powerbooks get 970s
but the whole line should have the same motherboard and be dual across the line top to bottom 1.6-1.8-2.0 then we be talking
thats what im talking about
 
Yeah seriously, get off it folks! It was a winning day for Mac fans.

These new machines ARE reasonably priced for their intended purpose (workstation). The iMac was intended for the "consumer".

The intelligent looking design (someone called it the "HAL memory chip look", right on!), and moreover, the functionally intelligent design are sweet. I for one am glad to be rid of the fat bubble gum look.

Did anyone notice the new keyboard/mice? They don't look redisigned but rather, recolored to sort of match the look of the new PB design. Pretty cool. Undoubtedly someone will complain about lack of muli-button mice. Would you be happier if there was an Apple "ultra-pro" mouse for $120? Chances are you'd still buy a 3rd party mouse!

Someone please enlighten me, why such a fuss about dual optical drives? I've never bought a system with dual drives and Apple must not sell many since they dropped it as an option. Usually, I prefer having an external burner as I can upgrade/move it easily.
 
It was a fantastic day for Apple fans.

Can't argue with raw horsepower :) Anybody else liking the looks of this fake after seeing the real deal?
 
Originally posted by pwm519
But it's not an entry level consumer computer. You may want it to be a consumer computer but it is a work station positioned against the FASTEST PCs on the planet. You may want it cheaper but the fact is that Apple has produced an entry level workstation that is CHEAPER than a similar entry level workstations from Dell. People claiming that Apple needs a low cost PowerMac should really be calling for the iMac to be updated. What a lot of people are looking for is a faster $1700.00 iMac that is as fast as a 2.6 Ghz P4 (with a 1.4 GHz PPC970). The good news is that after the pro line is updated, the consumer "lower-cost" machines should be updated significantly.
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Well if Apple isn't positioning it as an entry level computer, they are missing out on a huge segment of comsumers. People like me that use PowerMacs and would be willing to update our existing powermacs to the new model if the price was right. However a LOT of students and others will not be able to afford the upgrade. What's the other option you bring up? An Imac. Well as a powermac user I already have a 19" LaCie that I'm never replacing with an Imac. So you see the problem? Apple pushes the price of their low end machines up more and more, and people can either 1)buy a new one IF they can afford it 2) Buy an Imac and throw away their monitor 3) Just stick with what we have or 4) go buy a PC. Not everyone looking at buying a Powermac is willing to throw away a perfectly good monitor to get the latest processor in an Imac.

This is not a good strategy to get switchers and keep mac users. Powermac are generally geared for pro's, but they've always been accessable to others as well. Now Apple has pushed them out of many people's range while NOT including certain items that should come standard with the increase in price (such as RAM)


Lastly, how is upping the price of the bas model PM going to win over any more of the market? This new pricing is just going to alienate PC users even more.


I love Apple, and couldn't be happier with OSX, my Quicksilver, etc. I love the new products announced today and new OS features (especially Font Book...drool). I think they could have done better with the case, but the only thing that upsets me is this new pricing. I can't justify spending that much money until the low end machine reaches 2ghz. I think there are a lot of PM owners that will feel the same way too. I predict Apple's PM sales to be sluggish until a couple of more speed bumps take place to make the machine more worth the high price.
 
5) excellent (the selection i want is not there..)

the case redesign is a very dramatic change from the good old case that we've grown to know and love. so maybe this new guy is not very welcome coz it's well, new. i love it right the second i saw it. it's great. it's advanced, the alu definitely no only looks good but helps with cooling, and the clean amteal look gives it an understated and simple, yet elegant. this case is perfect.

it's time for apple to leave the plastic and glass world and onto the futuristic metal designs. :)
 
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