iPad The grass is not greener on the other side

Discussion in 'iPad' started by dontwalkhand, Jan 10, 2014.

  1. dontwalkhand macrumors 601


    Jul 5, 2007
    Phoenix, AZ
    Because I wanted to see what the other side was like being pretty much All-Apple all my life, I've decided to pick up a Lenovo Miix 2 8 from Best Buy for $249. I thought that was a steal as for the fact that the BB rep said "I'm getting a whole computer for $249- and not some rinky dink mobile OS."

    I own two iPads, a 32 GB iPad 2 with AT&T and a 16 GB Wi-Fi iPad mini. The mini was always the daily driver of choice with internet tethering from the iPhone.

    But for the price I thought I could not go wrong. "It would certainly do more than the mini" and "have a full computer in tablet form"

    It was really cool to have except the problems started to slowly creep up within as little as a few hours.

    Windows 8 in Desktop mode is anything but Touch Friendly.

    The tablet was a 32GB model but I only had about 10GB of available free space, because Windows and the default apps took up that much space! So full computer now not so much as you don't really have any room for Software!

    And then one day just picking it up to use, I see "Repairing your PC" pop up (as seen in the attachment below). I didn't do anything but used it for internet.

    Last straw, it's going back to the store. I'll stick with my iPad.

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  2. Charliebird macrumors 6502a

    Mar 10, 2010
    On my first rMini the grass was definitely yellower on the other side. :D
  3. SallySal macrumors newbie

    Jan 10, 2014
    Maybe just unlucky?
    Always had it good with Apple, or just got used to certain issues?

    Ive been in a simular situation, i had never used an android device before a few month ago. Felt like i should explore the phablet market (phone-tablet)
    and got a Galaxy Note 2, mainly as it has a stylus and i like to draw.

    In my mind i think ive just always wanted a system like that of Starship troopers, where they are in school and drawing on a tablet style device :p

    Other than drawing just been putting lots of emulators on it, like PS1, n64, even DS, kept me entertained.

    And currently more powerful than my pc. Can plug in a keyboard and HDMI too, to become a somewhat pc

    BUT for all its power, the amount of menus you can easily get lost in.
    And while other devices will recognise the onboard memory, they wont see the memory card. Meaning i cant access my library of music.

    But there's always some cleaver so an so who has and app, or patch, if it doesnt get fixed officially :)

    maybe worth another try :/
  4. carjakester macrumors 68020


    Oct 21, 2013
    theres a reason the iPad is the go to tablet for most people
  5. blueroom macrumors 603


    Feb 15, 2009
    Toronto, Canada
  6. heisenberg123 macrumors 603


    Oct 31, 2010
    Hamilton, Ontario
    pretty silly comparison, I dont think its fair to think anything other than a Samsung tablet with the iPad, everything else is a tier below those 2
  7. AppleWarMachine macrumors 65816


    Sep 27, 2011
    Michigan, US
    General rule of thumb...
    You get what you pay for :D
  8. a042349 macrumors member

    Jun 29, 2010
    First of all half the front page of this forum is filled with iPad problems, so yeah glass houses and all that.

    Try this, install Chrome on your Miix, open 20 tabs. Note none of them will refresh unless you want them to. The browser will not crash. Now try that on your new Air or rMini...yeah, not so much. I mean we're talking web browsing here right? Apple's flagship tablet's browser can't open 5 tabs w/o refreshing and/or crashing? Really?

    Or print to any standard printer
    Or plug in a USB scanner
    Or use a true pressure sensitive pen for art/graphics/etc
    Or burn a CD/DVD
    Or use it to jailbreak your iPhone
    Or run iTunes on it
    Or copy files to a flash drive for your friend
    Or download movies torrents on it
    Or run full photoshop on it (with a BT mouse and kybd of course)
    Or <insert anything you can do on a real PC>

    My point is that you can dismiss these new Win8 tablets as inferior to iPads all day long, and in many ways for many people they will be, but they're coming on strong, and getting better and better.

    I've had an iPad I, II, IV and a mini. I think iPad's are awesome and true game changer. But I'm not blind to new ideas. I see these new battery sipping lightweight BayTrail tablets as having a great future.

    Great PC class browser, Apps for Facebook, Netflix/Plex, Kindle, Music, Videos, Twitter, Flipboard, etc AND a full desktop environment when you want one, 1.2lbs and 11 hour battery life. I can live with that, and since I got mine (Asus T100) my poor mini has gotten abandoned. :-(

    Remember Netscape and Novell once laughed at Microsoft too.

  9. ugcop macrumors 6502a


    Mar 15, 2012
    Traveling @ Warp Speed ...... USA
    That is why they make Fords in many colors. To each his own.
  10. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

    Krazy Bill

    Dec 21, 2011
    I've said as much. (But unlike me, maybe you can get this across without pissing people off).

    I truly welcome the arrival of any and all contenders. Never understood the childish celebrations and pom-pom waving here when a competitor fails or falls short. If Apple takes the time to get their noses out of the air and see what's happening around them they'll be a better company for it. (And their products will be better). There's nothing wrong with stealing an idea that's already in use or just paying for it. Hell, Microsoft actually pays Apple for some of the things used in the Surface.

    Personally though, I think the competition is still so fragmented without any standards and it will be a while before they can offer any kind of universal ecosystem that is on par with Apple (if ever).
  11. caubeck macrumors 6502

    Nov 2, 2007
    Times change. In ten years I've gone from a laptop to a PDA to a netbook (as my go-to instrument), then an iPod touch and finally an iPad. But it's not "finally," of course. In another ten years I'll probably share a new list on a different forum and it will include brands and devices that haven't even been invented yet.

    The main thing is to use whatever you have in your bag to your best advantage. Make sure what you do with your gadget is more memorable than the gadget itself. I started writing a book on a PDA and finished it on the iPad 1!
  12. Yahooligan macrumors 6502a


    Aug 7, 2011
    My mother-in-law has an Asus T100, she came to visit for Christmas.

    "Ugh, why is this happening?"
    "Can you help me find out why touch isn't working? Why can't I close this Firefox tab?"

    Yeah...Windows...been there, done that, I'm not going back. I never bought my Air to be a laptop/desktop replacement anyway, but I can print to my printer just fine and it's not even an AirPrint-enabled printer.

    Sure, Windows 8.1 and the x86 tablet hardware have come a long way from 8.0 and the original Surface RT and Pro, but there's a reason I'm not interested in them. Windows. Can't stand it and I still have to deal with it because the wife and kids have Windows PCs...for now. Performing backups and updates on them are the worst! :)
  13. a042349 macrumors member

    Jun 29, 2010
    So you're saying all the tech geeks here on MR are the same skill level as your mother in law? Of course you're not.

    I am so VERY glad my mom and dad are off their PC's and onto iPads. So much less tech support, no backups, viruses, weird error messages etc. And they love them and feel confident on them.

    But for me, my friends and my peers /coworkers that grew up using PC's it's a different story. I'm 50 y/o. I've been a windows IT engineer for about 20 years, I know Windows, good and bad.

    If I could have one device that gives me my iPad like couch slouching consumption of media/reading/gaming/etc AND my real Windows desktop in an 11 hour, 1 pound device why wouldn't I take it? I did! :)


    This. Absolutely this. Apple has been the absolute tablet leader. Android is OK, but man iPads are/were the best in class no question.

    But why wouldn't even Apple fans NOT cheer on competitors? Doesn't competition make all of their products better, cheaper, faster, etc?

    I want somebody to really REALLY threaten Apple's tablet dominance in the same way Samsung has on the iPhone. Then Apple will have to up their game, lower their prices or dare I say - "think different".

    We all win with good strong competition, and I see that competition finally getting strong in the tablet space.

    It's all good for us.
  14. star-affinity macrumors 6502a


    Nov 14, 2007
    I would go for a Nexus 7 (2013) if someone wants to try Android

    Why? Because have one and I think it works pretty well. It's fast and I think how the keyboard works is an improvement over iOS's.

    Still like my iPad 2 too (hehe) but iOS 7 definitely made it feel a bit slow. Hope iOS 7.1 does something about that. But I guess it's just getting old.
  15. ugcop macrumors 6502a


    Mar 15, 2012
    Traveling @ Warp Speed ...... USA
    True, there are things we can do now on the iPad in IOS 7 that Apple never intended for us to do, had it not been for the JB community and in some cases the Apple competitors pushing the limits. Competition is always good. There will come a time when a old person will say, "I remember back in the day when there was a company called Apple that made phones"

    It is a natural progression.
  16. andyw715 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 25, 2013
    Funny, brief, story about my daughter (7) this Christmas.
    My wife's grandma bought both girls 7" andriod tablets (Monster of all brands; as soon as I saw Monster I figured over-priced crap)

    After the 7 y/o opened it she placed it on a table and set a pencil next to it a declared that it was thicker than the pencil!

    I almost died laughing, kids are impressionable, and Apple's advertising works.

    Oh btw, 4 days later she tells me the mico usb port got pushed into the tablet "somehow".

    I then spent then next few days convincing the other daughter who is 5 that she should give up her POS Monster tablet and that we'd buy a Mini that both can share.

    She finally agreed only after negotiating that her iPhone 3g get mothballed and that her sisters 4s become a sharable iPod as well.

    Sound good to me....now I don't have to repurchase apps in Google Play.
  17. Yahooligan macrumors 6502a


    Aug 7, 2011
    Did you just insult my in-law's intelligence/skill level without knowing her? :eek: The problems she was experiencing were legit, not user error, but thanks for making assumptions. ;) Firefox tabs would not close at random, doesn't matter if it was via touchscreen or using the touchpad. If she tried again 5-10 seconds later then they closed fine.

    My point was that it's not perfect and no matter what side of the fence you're on there are likely to be random issues that pop up.

    Yup, similar would be true if they switched to Macs. My mom's husband needed a new laptop to be able to do what he needs to for his classes (He teaches art). I chipped in some money to that he could get a Mac instead of a Windows PC and do you know how many times his computer-illiterate behind has called me for help? Zero.

    The only use I have for Windows is to play games, but I haven't done that for a while and have taken to playing Xbox One games instead.

    If you eat and breathe Windows and don't mind it then that's a different story.

    In any case, both of us know Windows and know what to expect. The difference is that I've decided to stop subjecting myself to the pain and moved on to things that are more productive and less problematic for my use/needs. ;)

    As you should, that's your background and it does what you want. There's no one device that's perfect for all users, which is why it's nice that there's a lot of different options out there.

    You name it, I've used (or currently use) it. Windows (3.1 -> 7), AmigaOS, Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, OS9, OS X, OS/2, AIX, iOS, Android.

    As time passes my wants and needs change, and sometimes I like change just to change, but one thing's for sure; The older I get the less I want to tinker with things away from work to get them to work right.

    If people like Win8.1 and the Surface 2, T100, etc. Great. I'm happy for them. If people prefer iOS and the iPad then super. I'm happy for them, too.

    However, one person relaying their experience and wants/needs shouldn't result in them being told they're wrong or they're not using it right, etc. Everyone's experience, needs, wants, and skills are different.

    I have an iPad because I wanted a larger mobile-geared device, by mobile I mean literally being mobile. Where's the Win8.1 tablet with cellular data? ;) Where are the mobile-geared apps?

    As you can see, what you want and value out of a tablet isn't necessarily the same for everyone else. It would take a lot to get me to willingly deal with Windows again and so far I haven't been overwhelmed. But that's just me. :)
  18. oneMadRssn macrumors 601


    Sep 8, 2011
    Boston, MA
    Your points definately ring true. After nearly 4 years on the market, it's a shame the iPad can't do some basic user-level tasks. However, these new non-ARM Windows8 tablets aren't all either.

    Their specs are remeniscent of netbooks; except now they come with a touchscreen instead of a keyboard and trackpad. How much has the Atom processor improved? 2 years ago, it certainly would not run full photoshop (not in any meaningful way, anyway; as soon as there were more than a few layers and lots of pixels it would crawl). It couldn't run 720p youtube without dropping frames. It couldn't decode h264 720p movies without dropping lots of frames. Can the new generation of Atoms do these things?
  19. daudi81 macrumors regular

    Oct 26, 2013
    I did the same, but the other way around. I was a windows user for 15+ years. Android for all my tablets and phones.

    I decided to try Apple. Got a decked out MacBook Pro (latest gen), iPad Air, and iPhone 5s. I can't say it's better, just different. Apple is definitely NOT perfect and locks up/restarts just as much as any non Apple device. I laugh when I see the Mac vs PC debate and the usual ammo of "it just works" and it "never locks up" arguments come in. Not true.

    I do like OSX quite a bit better than windows, and being able to sync everything between my devices seamlessly is a major plus. They really do a great job with OSX. Physical quality on any recent Apple device is really good as well.

    IOS vs Android is a different story all together though. My ipad air and iPhone 5s lock up and browser crash more than I'd like. Browser tab reloads are almost unbearable sometimes. I'm a lot more productive on Android as well, due to how Android handles multitasking. IOS is getting it's booty kicked, and the gap is not closing it seems. If Apple can get its act together with IOS, then I probably would not be switching to the galaxy s5 (when it comes out). They've got a few months to do it though. I hope they do.
  20. Brian Y, Jan 10, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2014

    Brian Y macrumors 68040

    Oct 21, 2012
    At the end of the day - get whatever does what you need to do in the best way. Maybe because of my unix background I'm far more productive under OS X than Windows. Same goes for iOS - I'm just used to it - I know how it works well and I'm therefore more productive/prefer using it.

    Personally, I don't want to run photoshop on a tablet (why on earth would you!?). And good luck trying to get photoshop to be usable on an atom :D.

    I haven't used a USB printer or scanner in years, and I can't remember the last time I used a CD (let alone burned one). In fact, none of the computers in this house have a CD drive (I have a USB one kicking around, but I've never used it and don't even know if it works). As for USB drives - I have them for emergency OS installs. If anyone wants a file, I send it to them. Other than local storage - I've all but ditched physical storage these days - and it's so much easier (no more forgetting usb drives, or plugging one in only for it to not work, etc).

    I don't want a tablet to do everything I can do on a real PC because... guess what? I have a real PC for that. What I want is something I can leave in my backpack on standby for weeks, using it occasionally without charging, which has a 3G internet connection wherever I go, and is light enough I don't notice it in there.
  21. Yahooligan, Jan 10, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2014

    Yahooligan macrumors 6502a


    Aug 7, 2011
    Not true for everyone or to differing extents, sure. However, to flat-out say it's not true, period, isn't true. ;) I've had my MBP spaz out and lock up exactly one time in the entire time I've had it.

    Compared to Windows, yes, OS X "just works." How many times have I encountered problems with Windows drivers failing to install or somehow becoming corrupt? Literally countless times. How many times have I had to deal with Windows backup not working? Again, countless times. Not only that, it's sooooo slow. It literally takes around 12 hours for the Windows PCs to do even an incremental backup over wifi. TimeMachine is easy, reliable and efficient.

    I've had to track down which USB driver was preventing my wife's laptop from putting the screen to sleep at least twice in the past year.

    I have to set aside time to make sure the 3 Windows PCs in this house are up-to-date and that the virus/malware/spyware scans are still running and up-to-date. Need to install updates? Come back in an hour, kids. Oh, the computer is running slow? Sorry, it had been going to sleep and not waking up for the scheduled scan so you'll just have to deal with it until the scan completes in a couple of hours.

    What's that, you say you're getting strange pop-ups and search pages? Hold on, let me clean out the spyware that you insist that you didn't install.

    If I could replace every Windows PC in this house with a Mac I would do it in a heartbeat. They do tend to just work. Better. :)

    As for crashing and freezing, I've found that to be more of a hardware problem than anything. I've had crappy, cheap PCs shut off, BSOD, etc regularly for no good reason. I've never had a Mac do that unless there was defective hardware.

    Thankfully, the hardware in this house isn't poor quality and everything has been reliable since new and some of it is nearly 7 years old. Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

    Agreed, and this plays towards the "it just works" part of Macs. :) Tried syncing Android with OS X? :D

    I have the opposite experience. Not saying your experience is wrong or invalid, just not the same as mine.

    I have a GS3, it just got updated to Android 4.3. I wish I could roll back the update to 4.1, a lot of annoying bugs were introduced with this particular version of 4.3. Androids openness is also its downfall, having to watch out for nefarious app permissions is only part of it. I've had to delete countless apps that launch background services even if the app itself is never launched. Over time, with enough such apps, the battery life and device performance becomes unbearable. At one point my GS3 was going from 100% battery down to 5% after 7-8 hours. After removing apps that were misbehaving? 80+% after 7-8 hours.

    My wife had stability and other problems with iOS 7 on her iPhone 4S ever since upgrading it. We were able to upgrade her to a 5S for no cost, it's been rock solid. She hasn't had any of the problems that her 4S had running the same version and I even did a restore of her 4S backup to the 5S.

    Over the past 5-6 years or so I've had a number of iPhones and Android phones. I thought the GS3 would finally be a winner, and I can't say the hardware portion has let me down because it's worked fine, but Android...I can't wait to get rid of it. After 3 Android phones (OG Droid, Droid X2, GS3) and 2 iPhones (iPhone 3G, 4S) I can't wait to go back to an iPhone. What am I holding out for? The same thing that drove me back to Android; A larger screen.

    However, having an iPad, I could probably go to a 5S and be perfectly happy with its size.

    Android is also great for people that like to tinker and customize. I used to like to tinker and customize. Now I just like things to work and I'm slowly weeding things out. There's a reason why I'm almost 100% Apple and it's not because of the Kool-Aid. :) I use what works the best for me.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention we also have an Android tablet. It, too, was buggy here and there. Not necessarily due to the hardware but the version of Android. It got used for about 6 months, then put away in a desk drawer. Now it gets loaned out to my wife's friends so that they can read books in her Kindle library.

    With as many options as there are out there, I see no reason to be frustrated and suffer through using something that doesn't provide what I want out of it. I swear there are people that are so loyal to a product or brand that they'd still use it even if it made their eyes bleed. :)
  22. Harmonious Zen macrumors 6502a

    May 18, 2013
    Not doubting you OP, but give it some more time. I find that a lot of "issues" that people have when switching platforms is just their unfamiliarity with the new platform. Give it some time and force yourself to use only that platform and then reassess.

    Having said that, I personally stick with iOS just because it's easy to use and does everything I want it to. Plus, there is no question that Apple devices have much better build quality than anything else out there.
  23. a042349 macrumors member

    Jun 29, 2010
    So guess what. I have a real PC too - and it's also my tablet. Several are coming out with 3G (Dell, Lenovo) and Wacom (Asus).

    I can absolutely use PS on my Atom. Go look at YouTube videos for games and apps running on these new Baytrail Atom processors, you might be surprised.

    My point is that when I've been using either iPad or Android tablets there are always times when I'll say "I'll deal with that when I get back to my PC" well now I'm already USING my "real" PC. And not for $629 (3g ipad) and $700 (decent laptop) but for about half that.

    I'm not trying to convert/convince anybody - just pointing out that the tablet space is moving fast, and Apple really needs to work a little harder to innovate/keep up in the near future.


    Here's a good video of PS running on an Asus T100 with Atom Baytrail:

    Photoshop on T100
  24. Brian Y macrumors 68040

    Oct 21, 2012
    I didn't sit through the whole video - but he doesn't seem to do any really complex operations in that video. And at the end it takes 2 seconds to generate a "save for web" preview of a reasonably small PNG image.

    Plus, Bay Trail is supposed to be the "next big thing" for tablets. Going by this:


    they benchmarked the Atom Z3770 at 2,935 using geekbench. That's really not a *great* score. Yes, it's better than the atoms of yesteryear, but it's only 700 points more than my phone scored - and it's a whole lot less than anything I'd consider running Windows 8 on.
  25. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040


    Feb 25, 2012
    Sydney, Australia
    I have a 3-4 year old ion2 netbook (basically a GeForce 9400M integrated with a dual core Atom CPU. It easily smashes through 1080p h264 and is current running as an openelec media centre.

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