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The headless mid sized mac desktop machine
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You're the one who started it out by saying "I honestly can't see the reason why people on this site would think that apple would sell a lot of them..."
It was almost like an invitation to talk about what else is available and that there's no need for such a mid-range headless Mac. So that's where it went.
What is there to reallY to enlighten you with? Apple has three desktops, mini, iMac and the mac pro.
Some people want a mini and a pro in one machine not an all in one. Reasons?
Gaming. Mini won't cut it. Mac pro is overkill and an iMac has a fixed graphics card that is older.
Don't want an all in one. I understand this. If my monitor breaks, I send in the monitor or use a other one. I am not without my whole computer. Plus expandability of hard drives and graphics cards are nice.
Upgrades. Again graphics cards and hard drives. While hd's are upgradeable in the mini and iMac they aren't the easiest. The new iMac did solve the ram problem of 2 slots on all other machines than the mac pro though.
I understand why people want a more affordable mac pro like computer without all the server hardware. A mac pro is overkill for my needs and uses. the only reason I got it is because I was finally making the last desktop move over to os x, I had the monitors, hard drives and could have used a graphics card from my pc build. That said I understand there will never probably be a mini mac pro.
Some people want a mini and a pro in one machine not an all in one. Reasons?
Gaming. Mini won't cut it. Mac pro is overkill and an iMac has a fixed graphics card that is older.
Don't want an all in one. I understand this. If my monitor breaks, I send in the monitor or use a other one. I am not without my whole computer. Plus expandability of hard drives and graphics cards are nice.
Upgrades. Again graphics cards and hard drives. While hd's are upgradeable in the mini and iMac they aren't the easiest. The new iMac did solve the ram problem of 2 slots on all other machines than the mac pro though.
I understand why people want a more affordable mac pro like computer without all the server hardware. A mac pro is overkill for my needs and uses. the only reason I got it is because I was finally making the last desktop move over to os x, I had the monitors, hard drives and could have used a graphics card from my pc build. That said I understand there will never probably be a mini mac pro.
Headless, in common discussions about Macs means not all-in-one.
So Mac users can't use terminology correctly? Hey that's not my fault.
But there is a difference between "headless" and the various names of the form factors available for computers.
Brick, Set-top, Console, Notebook, Desktop, All-in-one, Mini-Tower, Mid-Tower, Full-Tower, etc. are the form factors. Headless is a operational configuration. Like "Terminal" or "Dumb Terminal" it has a very specific meaning.
So Mac users can't use terminology correctly? Hey that's not my fault.
Neither of them are official terms.
Just because you've heard it used one way doesn't mean it's more right than another.
I wish you'd bring your A game to the forums. It would be beneficial for the PRSI.
Neither of them are official terms.
Just because you've heard it used one way doesn't mean it's more right than another.
I wish you'd bring your A game to the forums. It would be beneficial for the PRSI.
No, it's an official term. You can find "Headless" in every computer dictionary - and it will always have the same basic definition.
I know why people would want one. Some people think that it would sell really well in Apples line up. I am asking why they think it will sell well.
(Man I really need to make my posts clear...
)Count me as one who would like to see Apple make a smaller, less expensive Mac Pro; and one who is finally convinced it's not going to happen. (I'd been hoping for years.)
The Mac mini has finally progressed to the point where it can handle everything I want to do, only occasionally a little slower than I'd like. I no longer see a need for a low-end Mac Pro, personally, and as mentioned earlier I'm selling my Mac Pro while it still has good resale value.
I don't like the all-in-one concept but might consider buying an iMac if it wasn't for the glassy screen. I haven't seen one of the new ones yet but imagine the 27" high resolution screen is awesome, in a dark room.
The mini will continue to progress and in a year or two might have four cores and better graphics. All but the hard core gamers and a few others should be able to find a desktop Mac that satisfies them. (I wonder if gamers are ever satisfied.)
The Mac mini has finally progressed to the point where it can handle everything I want to do, only occasionally a little slower than I'd like. I no longer see a need for a low-end Mac Pro, personally, and as mentioned earlier I'm selling my Mac Pro while it still has good resale value.
I don't like the all-in-one concept but might consider buying an iMac if it wasn't for the glassy screen. I haven't seen one of the new ones yet but imagine the 27" high resolution screen is awesome, in a dark room.
The mini will continue to progress and in a year or two might have four cores and better graphics. All but the hard core gamers and a few others should be able to find a desktop Mac that satisfies them. (I wonder if gamers are ever satisfied.)
I know why people would want one. Some people think that it would sell really well in Apples line up. I am asking why they think it will sell well.
(Man I really need to make my posts clear...
Oh, so you're hoping to pick a fight with someone who thinks so? 
Let's link to a standard definition, and some more.
Not to mention, Apple already makes a headless configurable mac.
Of course, that's all on the high end. On the low end, there's this. In addition, it can also be set up to run without a head.
I'm mainly peeved at the misuse in the mac community, not at any particular user.
Links? OK, but yours only assist my point that Mac Users have trouble with English.
- http://www.yourdictionary.com/computer/headless-system - A computer without a monitor, keyboard and mouse. It refers to servers that are controlled via a network connection or to embedded systems.
- http://www.networkdictionary.com/hardware/h.php - Headless server is a server without a keyboard, monitor, or mouse.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_system - A headless system is a computer system or device that can operate without a monitor.... A headless system is typically controlled via a network connection, although some headless system devices require a connection to be made via RS232 for administration of the device. (PC BIOS limitations related to headless operation): etc. ...
I can continue if you'd like?
Are you referring to the oft-talked about xMac?... which is perhaps best defined as a desktop CPU based expandable Mac that is cheaper and perhaps less capable in standard form than a Mac Pro? Something with perhaps a desktop quad core, DDR3 DIMM slots, a pair of HD bays, and a pair of PCIe expansion slots or something to that general effect in a more compact cube or tower chassis?
If so, then I think the demand for that kind of configuration is largely coming from PC gamers who want something that they can equip to play games (in Windows) without paying the price of admission for a Mac Pro. These guys are use to building their own gaming rigs with relatively cost effective hardware, despise a closed platform like the iMac, but don't actually make any money from using their computer, so can't justify the cost of a professional workstation... yet still want to dabble with OSX when not playing the latest games.
I suspect that as PC gaming continues it's downward trend in favor of consoles, I think the demand for these kinds of Macs will decline. Apple was probably wise to stay away from it.
I would agree. A machine like you describe here doesn't sound like something I would want Apple to build. I haven't really seen anyone asking for anything like this either. There was a thread about 6 or 8 months ago where a few people speculated that Apple should cater to this niche but even they admitted that they wouldn't actually buy it. And others pointed out that the lower end MPs were already so low end that Apple just about couldn't get any lower.
Me personally - I want more not less! I want it at a $2000 reduction in price too! I want 12 or 16 RAM slots, 3.0 or 3.2 GHz 8 core CPU, full speed RAM, 6 or more PCIe slots, 8 SATA connections, 8 SAS connections, 8 HDD bays, 2 IDE connectors, 6 USB 2.0 or 3.0 ports, 2 FW ports, A good video card with 2 full DVI connectors, and etc. And I want it for under $5,000 just like I can find it everywhere else (except Apple) for. This would put them back in the competition again like they were from 2006 up until 2009 when they apparently went insane.
Call it a Classic Mac or a Performa or Quadra.
$800 for a Core 2 Duo.
$1,000 for an i5.
$1,200 for an i7.
Mid sized tower.
Any monitor you want to use.
Any internal components you want to bto.
Never gonna happpen.
Bag of high margin, premium priced, not sleek or hip, $35 billion in the bank bag of hurt.
$800 for a Core 2 Duo.
$1,000 for an i5.
$1,200 for an i7.
Mid sized tower.
Any monitor you want to use.
Any internal components you want to bto.
Never gonna happpen.
Bag of high margin, premium priced, not sleek or hip, $35 billion in the bank bag of hurt.
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I don't need it and it won't happen i guess.But what if next year when the 6 and 12 core Mac Pros come , they decide to leave the quad core as the low-end Mac Pro at lets say 1999$ ? Yes - the iMac will be a better value with it's 27 led lcd , but i think there will be some people like me who would still buy the Mac Pro.
I don't need it and it won't happen i guess.But what if next year when the 6 and 12 core Mac Pros come , they decide to leave the quad core as the low-end Mac Pro at lets say 1999$ ?
Yes - the iMac will be a better value with it's 27 led lcd , but i think there will be some people like me who would still buy the Mac Pro.
The term "xMac", used in the context of a cheaper, less capable, Mac Pro, is brought up in threads several times per month if this search is any indication...
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=18782224
I suggest the OP go back through some of those historical threads for further insights into the demand for this kind of Mac.
If they do such a thing it would make more sense closer to the 1500$ mark they did with the 2004 1,8 single CPU Power Mac. So 1700-1800$ would probably make more sense.
But I agree that it is highly unlikely.
If apple does another end of life discount, they won't need to have a headless mac. Just clearance out last years mac pros for 900 bucks off. Thats how I got my MP for 1800 or 1899, can't remember.-----