The iMac update that will never happen...

Discussion in 'iMac' started by yadmonkey, Mar 7, 2008.

  1. yadmonkey macrumors 65816

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    The number one thing I want to see in the iMac line is a DVI input. Boy would that be useful, to be able to use the iMac as a monitor for another Mac, PC, Xbox 360, etc. I'm guessing this is about as likely as the "headless" iMac, which would serve a similar purpose for me - attach it to a monitor which also takes a second source.

    But now my options are limited to a) a wimpy Mac Mini, b) a powerful but really expensive mac pro + monitor setup, c) an iMac + a second monitor.

    Option A doesn't fit my needs, B is beyond my budget, and C just seems silly and non-ergonomic. Will there ever be a headless iMac or iMac with an additional input? Am I alone in wanting this? I'm guessing no and no, but I'd like to hear people's thoughts about it...
     
  2. Duflul macrumors newbie

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    a headless imac would be awsome, I currently have a blackbook hooked up to a 24" dell, and I need something faster and don't want a imac, mbp, mp or mini. So if they ever do release one I will buy it instantly.

    back in the day there was a single processor g5 for 1599 (i think)
     
  3. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Well today there's an awfully big gap (price and power) between the Mini and the MP. I understand and respect SJ's desire to keep the product line sparse, but it seems there's plenty of room for one more.
     
  4. MIDI_EVIL macrumors 65816

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    A single Quad core Xeon Mac Pro is less than a 24" iMac, and you can get a monitor comparable to/better than the display in the iMac for £160 - £200

    That's the headless iMac.
     
  5. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I don't know about pricing in the UK, but that's not how it works here. The 24" iMac costs $1800 and $2250 and the Quad Xeon starts at $2300. The $1800 model is the one I'd get if it simply had an additional input. And the consumer-friendly headless iMac pricing would certainly come in at less than $2000.
     
  6. trip1ex macrumors 68000

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    I would like a pony. Or a backrub. Or.....a pony that could give me backrubs!
     
  8. Leon Kowalski macrumors 6502a

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    It appears that your Calculator.app is majorly busted:

    24" iMac .............. 1800
    AppleCare .............. 115 (LA Computer Company)
    1 x 1GB RAM ............. 25 (Newegg/Mushkin)
    ----------------------------
    Total ................ $1940

    Single-CPU Mac Pro .... 2300
    Wireless Card ........... 50
    AppleCare .............. 170 (LA Computer Company)
    Dell 2408WFP ........... 700
    iSight ................ none
    speakers .............. none
    microphone ............ none
    ----------------------------
    Total ................ $3220


    Both are entry-level systems with 2GB RAM, 320GB HD, AppleCare,
    and similar-quality 24" LCD displays (for those lucky enough to get
    a gradient-free 24" ALU iMac). Even without camera/speakers/mic,
    the Mac Pro system is 66% more expensive than the iMac. (If you
    choose to cripple the Pro system with a cheap TN panel, you might
    squeeze the price premium down to 50%.)

    LK
     
  9. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Thanks for doing the math... this UK does sound like a wondrous place, with cheap Mac Pros and flying nannies!

    The fact is that if you want to have a Mac on your desktop and use a second device (360, PS3, PC, etc...) without having two monitors, your ONLY choices is between a MP and a Mini. Apple's history with gaming is bad enough, but they are basically c***-blocking gamers by limiting the options to either their expensive pro line or their wimpy Mini.

    I realize I'm ranting at this point, but I find this dumbfounding. Their overpriced displays only take one input and their iMac takes none. How could Apple not foresee the need for many people to use more than a Mac with their products?
     
  10. octojay macrumors newbie

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    Do what I'm doing..

    I'm getting an iMac as soon as they release the Penryn ones. I also would like to plug crap into it like my wii, or a 360 if I ever get one.

    What I plan on doing is getting an external USB or firewire HD tuner. None appear to be out yet that do what I want (digital input), but I'm hoping someone will make one soon.

    pSc
     
  11. Flyinace2000 macrumors 6502a

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    The problem with those is there would be a slight delay from getting the video from the the tuner box to the computer display.

    -Will


     
  12. octojay macrumors newbie

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    Yes, but how slight are we talking here? Would it even be noticeable? And are you basing that from using one or wild speculation?

    pSc
     
  13. trip1ex macrumors 68000

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    Elgato or someone like that makes a tv tuner that supposedly doesn't have this delay. I haven't used, but I read good things. I'm a bit skeptical, but always wanted to try it.
     
  14. octojay macrumors newbie

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    I was looking at them today and elgato only has one with analog inputs. The only "HD" it can get is the over the air kind.

    Kind of pointless to call it an HD tuner when you can't plug in your HD feed..

    pSc
     
  15. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    If you use an external box there's going to be some signal processing time. I'd find it hard to believe that there isn't a slight delay with even the best box... in certain games even a few milliseconds can make a big difference. That's why TVs which use color-enhancing technologies for movies have gaming modes which turn the feature off - the processing time for the digital effect gets in the the way of fast gaming.

    Still, if there's a viable solution out there, I'd like to know more about it.
     
  16. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Right, so the analog-digital conversion takes processing time. Unless there's an all-digital solution, I don't think it will be fast enough.
     
  17. Leon Kowalski macrumors 6502a

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    Actually, it's the other way around. The A/D conversion is sub-microsecond;
    it's the digital processing (interpolation/resampling/encoding/decoding, etc)
    that introduces delay. Short of a large and expensive analog delay-line, it's
    virtually impossible to add more than a few usec delay in the analog domain.

    LK
     
  18. yadmonkey thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Interesting. I like your sig too.

    Anyhow, Apple should just put an input on the dang thing, so I don't need a deskwart to get the job done!
     
  19. trip1ex macrumors 68000

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    LIke I said I'm a bit skeptical, but Macworld reviewed it and I think they tested that part out. Elgato EyeTV thingamigige.
     
  20. Leon Kowalski macrumors 6502a

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    Yep, agree 100%. Steve J. prattles on endlessly about the wonders of
    "multimedia," but is totally unable to grasp the concept that there are
    non-Apple video sources in the world. Even his brain-dead ACDs have
    only one video input.

    LK
     

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