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I am a huge Apple fan, but frankly if you aren't already switching over to Windows for real "pro" use, you aren't seeing the writing on the wall. Apple is now aimed firmly at the prosumer - which is basically a consumer with too much cash to spend.

I am not saying their hardware isn't worth it, et al. But I am saying that if I had mission critical stuff that relied on Mac Pros being updated on a reasonable basis, I would not trust Apple to do so.

Frustrating summary to me. I'm still on the Windows side and am poking around here because I'm sick of what's happening there with Win 7 and -even worse- Win 8 now. Speaking of consumer oriented junk...

But you have valid points. Some stuff Apple appears to do really well - while other things always made me shake my head. And that's still the case. The new iMac certainly falls in the shake-my-head category. I may instead test the waters with a Mac Mini and I was hoping (if everything works out) to eventually upgrade to a Mac Pro. If that option doesn't materialize I'm not sure really where to go. Win laptops are all junk these days, especially the screens. Mac laptops are borderline better but at least you don't get them with Win8 or cruel jokes like that. It's all frustrating.
 
I am a huge Apple fan, but frankly if you aren't already switching over to Windows for real "pro" use, you aren't seeing the writing on the wall. Apple is now aimed firmly at the prosumer - which is basically a consumer with too much cash to spend.

I am not saying their hardware isn't worth it, et al. But I am saying that if I had mission critical stuff that relied on Mac Pros being updated on a reasonable basis, I would not trust Apple to do so.

Is there a "pro" version of windows that I don't know about which isn't mostly bloatware and advertisement software? If there is, I'm slightly interested. (To install on my new iMac which I will be ordering in November.)
 
For everyone saying that its wrong and unusual for apple to state 'November' and then bring it out on the last day, clearly doesn't know apple. They've been doing this for decades. It's just how they operate
 
...if I had mission critical stuff that relied on Mac Pros being updated on a reasonable basis, I would not trust Apple to do so.

So what mission-critical stuff do you have that is impacted in even the tiniest way by the fact that the iMac product line is a few months later than expected in switching over to IvyBridge chipset?

It's all very well having consumer stuff like iPads rapidly changing, but most corporates are only too pleased to be buying products with stable builds that don't have components switching every week.

People are getting too emotional about this.
 
I'm just getting tired of the amount of people saying the iMacs have been delayed because they've been waiting for most of November.

Apple stated November, they didn't state beginning of November or end of November. Simply November. What month is it right now? November!

We won't know if it's delayed unless Apple say so or it turns over to December 1st and we're sitting here with no order button.

/rant over

Say what you will, Apple going a whole month, let alone a month and a half to two months (for the 27") without having ANY NEW (i.e. not refurbished and not having sit on a shelf for months) iMacs to sell and/or distribute to retailers is really bad. It's not as bad as it would be if they suddenly had a month in between the discontinuation of a 13" MacBook Pro model and the release of the next one (as, as of October, it was their best-selling model). But it's still pretty bad. The longer they wait, the more chances they have of customers of those machines going with either a different Mac or a different computer altogether, both of which are bad for the product line. The fact that they weren't ready out of the gate means that, by definition, they were delayed.

Ah shush your pessimism :p - the pro's have not been forgotten, Apple just haven't had a worthwhile offering from Intel to work with. 2013 is an ideal year to work with offerings from intel.

First off, Sandy Bridge E would be a fine offering. No, it won't replace the 12-core Mac Pro, but it would at least be able to replace the 4-core model, which is more than they did to it in June. Also, even if they didn't touch the processors, they could've at least given us something newer than the Radeon HD 5870 given that card is now almost three generations old and wasn't even the best card that AMD (posing as ATI at the time) had to offer at that time. Something more than a simple configuration shuffling. To say that this was all on Intel is wrong.
 
Semantics...

They were delayed before they were even announced. The GPUs, CPUs and chipsets that they will use are already 6+ months old. This is the longest gap in between releases in the history of the iMac. Even if you are able to walk into a Best Buy on November 30th and pick one up, which I'm guessing isn't going to happen, the iMac has been delayed.
 
The key is will any of either model be offered and delivered in time for Christmas. iPads and other products were on sale for Black Friday. Will there be any holiday sale on iMacs if they come in time for the holidays? Maybe everyone will be so glad they are available...no discounts are needed.

In any case, I guess we will all know more by this time next week.
 
Is there a "pro" version of windows that I don't know about which isn't mostly bloatware and advertisement software? If there is, I'm slightly interested. (To install on my new iMac which I will be ordering in November.)

Is there a pro version of OS X that doesn't include constant iTunes updates to add stuff they are trying to sell to me? Is there a pro OS X that does not funnel most software through the App Store? Is there a pro version that doesn't try to twist my arm to save stuff to the mysterious iCloud, with no apparent file system? Is there a pro version of OS X that I can just turn on when I buy it and not have to avoid online registration before using?
 
I was thinking about this this morning, and really find it odd that the just said november...
I dont remember an apple event where the presenter didn't say 1 of 3 things for a launch scenario...

the first was of course "Available Today"
and everyone would crash apple.com to order the latest Mac/iPod/iPhone, I think most Apple Events were like that...

the 2nd was "Pre-Order today, Launch in 2 Weeks" (or other finite timeframe)
Again much website crashes under the strain of pre-orders

Last was "Pre-Orders begin / Avaiable on xx/xx/20xx" (with an exact date)

I dont remeber an apple event where they said Month... seems like vaporware to me.


Didn't they stop going to Macworld Expo and other trade shows so they can release products on their own schedule and not the trade show's. Why have an event if the iMac is not ready...

I could be wrong about some of this but not all of this

You are very wrong.
I distinctly remember when the 2009 iMacs were announced. It wasn't a keynote it was a "silent" announcement because Apple wasn't doing keynotes in October at that stage. But they said the 21" would be available shortly, and the 27" in "November". I had to wait until November to order my BTO and it shipped 2 weeks later
 
You are very wrong.
I distinctly remember when the 2009 iMacs were announced. It wasn't a keynote it was a "silent" announcement because Apple wasn't doing keynotes in October at that stage. But they said the 21" would be available shortly, and the 27" in "November". I had to wait until November to order my BTO and it shipped 2 weeks later

that they silently updated the those means that your reading comprehension is slightly off... I am talking about keynote style announcements... not a press release saying new macs soon... standing on stage with no firm date is odd... and furthermore the silent method probably allowed them to keep selling the old macs...the average buyer is going to buy it and be happy with the new mac... the average rumor site reader is going to wait or try and time the purchase to return for the upgrade in the 2 week window...

the good news is there is only 1 week left in november...
 
I'm just getting tired of the amount of people saying the iMacs have been delayed because they've been waiting for most of November.

Apple stated November, they didn't state beginning of November or end of November. Simply November. What month is it right now? November!

We won't know if it's delayed unless Apple say so or it turns over to December 1st and we're sitting here with no order button.

/rant over

....yeah just like iTunes 11 that was (going to be) released in October.... Pretty disapointed with how this has been handled seems Apple has had more than a few "snafus" this year.
 
Yeah it all just feels like its all set and ready to go, the store is setup tight, it's like it's about to happen. They would have announced it earlier like mid November if there was a delay IMO. So not long now hopefully
 
I disagree.
When respectable company say November, one assume they mean the middle of November, not the very last day of the month. This is cheap trick, which belong to small companies.

I have to agree with Overg here, it presents an appearance of unprofessionalism for Apple to say "November" and release the new iMac on the last week of the month without any more specific guidance. If indeed it arrives then.
 
When any retailer has a premiere blank spot in their inventory this close to the holidays, and for weeks on end . ., well . . . . (sounds like a delay to me)
 
When any retailer has a premiere blank spot in their inventory this close to the holidays, and for weeks on end . ., well . . . . (sounds like a delay to me)

They're certainly delayed vs. their internal targets. But they haven't delayed past the announced release window.
 
So what mission-critical stuff do you have that is impacted in even the tiniest way by the fact that the iMac product line is a few months later than expected in switching over to IvyBridge chipset?

It's all very well having consumer stuff like iPads rapidly changing, but most corporates are only too pleased to be buying products with stable builds that don't have components switching every week.

People are getting too emotional about this.

Anything that actually relies on having cutting edge hardware. Plus, given the slow pace of updates on the Mac Pro side and the general shift of focus, if they EOLed the Mac Pro within the next 3-5 years, would anyone be surprised? Just think of all those suckers who invested into xServes only to watch them wither on the vine.
 
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