The iPad 3 will not have Siri, and why.

Discussion in 'iPad' started by falcora, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. falcora macrumors 6502

    Oct 8, 2011
    Siri works on the iPhone because the user always has Internet connectivity. Data plans are mandatory and can't be added or removed. I can't even recall the last time my iPhone didn't have data reception through either 3G or wifi.

    On the iPad however, the majority of users buy wifi only tablets, others buy the 3G, but then don't keep their accounts consistently active. Siri would only work over wifi in these instances. When Siri only works at home, it kind of breaks the illusion of being a personal assistant.

    In short, it creates a poor user experience, and I doubt Apple will incorporate Siri into iPads or iPods. I hope I'm wrong, I just don't see it.
  2. nostresshere macrumors 68030

    Dec 30, 2010
    We all have different opinons, but I would be fine with SIRI only working on wifi. For that matter, if I want Siri and not connected via cellular data, then that is my issue.
  3. SteveAbootman macrumors 6502a


    May 12, 2008
    I get the logic behind your post, and generally agree with you. However, Apple has gone down the road of introducing features that require wifi/data capability before.

    FaceTime still requires a WiFi connection and won't work on 3G (at least AT&T). It's been like this since introducing the feature; and a notification pop's up asking the user to connect to WiFi to use it.

    I'd imagine that if Apple wanted to make Siri available on as many devices as possible, they'd use a similar method to FaceTime and just tell the user to connect to a data network if they tried to use it while not connected.
  4. erawsd macrumors 6502

    Jul 1, 2011
    Thats like saying the iPad also shouldn't have things like Safari or iCloud because trying to use them without an internet connection "creates a poor user experience". Heck, there are hardly any native apps that don't fail without an internet connection.

    I think people buying a WIFI only device understand that their device is very limited without an active internet connection and expect their experience to suffer.
  5. urkel macrumors 68030

    Nov 3, 2008
    Closed minded and weird. It doesn't cost more, its software so why try to justify its omission from future products?
  6. Phil A. Moderator

    Phil A.

    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2006
    Shropshire, UK
    App Store
    iTunes Store

    All the above are built in apps that won't work without an active Internet connection, so what makes you think Siri would be the exception?
  7. maril1111 macrumors 68000


    Mar 14, 2010
    I disagree with you people that buy an ipad wifi expect it to be limited to wifi so they would know that siri would be limited to that as-well.
  8. Drag'nGT macrumors 68000


    Sep 20, 2008
    While the OP brings up a valid point, Phil A. might have the better answer. I think everyone will expect Siri after becoming reliant on it on the 4S and it would be a step backwards to remove something Apple's been praised for having and customers enjoy using more than the old method of reminders, calendar etc.. entries.
  9. ejisfun macrumors regular

    Jan 7, 2011
    I think the difference is that people realize you need internet to do these things. The average user knows that to access youtube, you need internet access. But I don't believe that everyone knows that siri requires internet access. They may realize that you need internet for siri to perform searches, but I don't think many people realize you need internet even to have siri set a reminder for you.
  10. falcora thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 8, 2011
    That's kind of what I was thinking. I can picture tons of users having DOH! Moments as they try to use Siri on their iPads without Internet access. The other posters bring up valid points as well. It would be incredibly easy for apple to put it in.
  11. jackc macrumors 65816


    Oct 19, 2003
    On the other hand, fairly unsophisticated users will probably not miss the feature.
  12. erawsd macrumors 6502

    Jul 1, 2011
    And when they try to connect to Siri for the first time without internet access, it'll tell them they need a connection, they'll think "oh ok", and that'll be the end of it. I don't see the big deal, especially when people buying WIFI only devices have come to expect that type of thing.
  13. vixducis macrumors regular

    Jun 8, 2010
    I guess you're from the Americas, because in the rest of the world, you can buy unlocked iPhones and use a sim without data plan. Where I live (Belgium), lots of people use iPhones without data plans.

    </your argument>
  14. Stealthipad macrumors 68040


    Apr 30, 2010
    Having Siri or not having Siri is not a deal breaker for me. I seldom use it. I am always connected to WiFi or 3G.
  15. Saladinos macrumors 68000


    Feb 26, 2008
    If they don't include it, it won't be for that reason.

    Even 3G connected phones don't have internet access all the time, and Siri just explains that she needs a connection. Tablets are internet-connected devices: for the overwhelming majority of their active time, they will have an internet connection.

    Moreover, the concept of a digital assistant absolutely works in a tablet (especially as its being used more in businesses). It would make a much better product to have it, and it's limitations are very occasional.
  16. murdercitydevil macrumors 68000


    Feb 23, 2010
    ^ This

    If it's not on the iPad 3, it's not because of internet connectivity. The iPad is not an offline device. If someone plans on using it at home, they have WiFi going at all times. If they know they'll have it with them during travel, they're probably going to buy a 3G version. Either way, I can't imagine a reason why Siri *wouldn't* be on iPad 3, or any future iDevice.
  17. Tea-Aholic macrumors 6502


    Dec 8, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia
    My iPhone gives me this, so I'm sure they'll put the same message on the iPad.

  18. falcora thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 8, 2011
    I've seriously never seen that before until I saw your post. At first it looked photoshopped, but I put my iphone in airplane mode and sure enough, siri tells you she isn't available.
  19. urkel macrumors 68030

    Nov 3, 2008
    When did these forums become all about how to cripple Apple products?

    We don't need quad core
    We don't need Siri
    We don't need better cameras
    We don't need styluses
    We don't need touchscreen Macs
    We don't néed Apple Televisions
    We don't need USB3
    We don't need bigger iPhone as an option
    We don't need smaller/bigger iPads as an option

    Lately it just feels like people are rooting for things to stay the same rather than encouraging change. I don't mean to offend anyone, but is it because some people fear change without Jobs giving his approval?
  20. Abazigal macrumors G3


    Jul 18, 2011
    Siri already doesn't always work on my phone even with continuous Internet access (server side issues and all that), so I don't see how that can possibly be a reason. ;)
  21. alex-dlc, Feb 20, 2012
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2012

    alex-dlc macrumors member

    Aug 12, 2009
    this makes no sense to me. one of the reasons why i often want to use siri is when im unable to connect to the internet, so i make reminders for when i am able to acces the internet. for example, if i want to search wikipedia for something but i dont have internet, i would ask siri to remind me at a later time to search for whatever i wanted to search for.

    theres no reason why Siri shouldnt work offline. to make reminders, notes, to call someone, to play music....... the old voice control on iphones worked perfectly offline. i understand that there would be limitations but you cant just deny Siri to ipad users simply because they are not always online.
  22. bp1000 macrumors 65816

    Jul 7, 2011
    We the rumours of larger storage and faster cpu's, why can't we have a local copy of siri's decrypting and common word language database on the device itself. At least allow us to store/cache common functions locally for offline activity.

    Then the database / cache syncs with the cloud, just like everything else.
  23. juanm macrumors 65816


    May 1, 2006
    Fury 161
    Quick question, for those using Siri:

    If you don't have data (for any reason) and you ask Siri something she shouldn't need the internet for, like take a note, add an alarm, or send an sms, will she still do it?
  24. falcora thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 8, 2011
    That would be cool. Obviously we wouldn't get wolfram aloha or othe Internet based content, but just some basic Siri for calanders, notes, etc. shouldn't be too hard. I'd say it could add 500 mb max
  25. cipo macrumors member

    Nov 23, 2010
    Stuttgart, Germany
    No, the voice recognition itself is performed on the server, not on the device.


    That's because it is a lot easier for the AI to choose among a set of predefined commands than to recognize arbitrary spoken words.

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