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Discussion in 'iPad' started by pattman247, Feb 10, 2010.
and that is why I believe it will be a great product.
The ipad is the internet without much of the internet. That's one of the reasons many aren't planning on buying one.
You did notice the other threads about no flash support didn't you?
Without Flash, it is just a portion of the internet. Without multitasking it's a sad excuse for a tablet or whatever you want to call this half-baked device. There are going to be some good alternatives to the ipad this year!!
do you need flash to use twitter facebook myspace youtube. this is what most people do on the internet. Oh yeah and porn and you don't need flash to look at that.
Ipad: The computer without the internet (or the computer)
It's what everyone is transitioning to now because content providers want iPad users to be able to enjoy video, since the iPad is the device that will matter.
Exactly. People keep saying Flash is good only if you want to watch porn. These people have probably never looked at a single piece of HTML code. Just do a Google search for website templates and see how many use Flash components for navigation. Open Google news on a real computer than open it up on mobile Safari. It's different. There are a great many sites that use Flash components for navigation and other "pazzaz" factors that have nothing to do with video or porn. Some sites simply will not open with any functionality in mobile Safari. Other sites have a "iPhone friendly" watered down version that will open on iPhones.
The iPad, with its crippled browser, is NOT a good Internet device. The cheap netbooks will do a far superior job at a lower cost.
If Jobs would accept the fact that Flash is a big part of the Internet and allow his precious little mobile Safari to play it, then I'd be the first on my block to get an iPad. But as long as Jobs says no to Flash, I'll simply stick to my Macbook Pro, which can view ALL the Internet.
As for HTML5, no, it's not what everyone is transitining to. Do a Google search and see if you can find a WYSIWYG HTML5 editor. There are none. HTML5 is what Apple and Google developed and it's not scheduled to be released until 2012 at the earliest. Since it's an Apple and Google venture, any companies the these two control will transition. But they don't own the Internet - yet. No one else can really code efficiently for HTML5 right now. And since IE and Firefox take the major browser market and they DO play Flash (regular Safari plays FLash), Flash will be around for a long time.
Any website that uses Flash for navigational components (without being a 100% flash website) was designed by an idiot. Sorry. There's just no good reason to do that.
HTML is the way to go. HTML 4 for now, and use Quicktime videos, but in HTML5, the video issue will be eliminated. YouTube is already transitioning, as are other major players (Hulu will probably not be far behind, as soon as they figure out how to deal with copy protection and inserting advertisements, but I doubt they'll stick with Flash much longer than necessary). It's simply long been expected, and Apple's push to get rid of Flash by not putting it on the most popular mobile internet devices ever created is just a huge kick in the pants for developers to figure it out quicker.
I view it as a kick in the teeth to consumers who WANT Flash. No matter what you think of Flash, it IS part of a "full web experience". Despite Job's comments.
Consumers have shown clearly that they're more interested in Apple devices themselves than Flash on those Apple devices (i.e., iPhone.)
And YouTube now has HTML5 and so does Vimeo. That's a big deal.
Most consumers do not want flash.
Most consumers want to be able to view video from websites, and if sites are developed probably can be done on this devices.
The stupid other things people use flash for are rarely things the typical consumer wants from a website.
Baloney. Are you SJ?
I can both agree and disagree that flash components are problematic. It seems that an awful lot of sites use flash navigational components. Generally speaking, this use is transparent to the end viewer and as such, it's really a non-issue. But Flash has also been used as a means to deliver trojans (no not the condoms, but close). THis is the biggest potential problem with Flash. The biggest cause of Safari crashes and lock-ups is related to Flash. One reason Jobs doesn't like Flash. THis doesn't seem to be a problem with IE or Firefox. So why not just correct code in Safari so it's not a problem? But non-Flash navigation is agreed to be a better way to go. Simple is always better.
Yes YouTube is transitioning, but they have a vested interest in the transition.
Yes mobile Safari is the most popular mobile internet browser. But it accounts for an extremely small portion of the browser market. Most people, like me, do not use it for serious web surfing. The screen is small and we've come to accept the fact that many sites will not display properly. We'll just look it up when we get to a real computer. So the number of Google clicks from mobile Safari is so small that there's no real need for web developers to re-code or re-design.
In the mean time, the users ae the ones to suffer with limited functionality. For the iPad, why buy it today? It's an Internet crippled device - today. In 2015, when HTML5 is a standard and 95% of the Internet has changed over to it, then it would be time to buy an iPad. But not today. (Or today would be okay if Jobs would enable Flash.)
Not baloney. Most people don't care about flash at all. They don't even know what flash is.
If flash disappeared tomorrow most people would wonder why their computer worked so much better today than it did the day before.
Flash is irrelevant. and the tool of lazy or incapable web designers.
I do online marketing for a living. I know what kinds of things impact people and their desire to proceed on websites. Tiny things can make massive differences. Big slow clumsy things often related to flash can do horrible things to keeping users on a site or committed through a channel.
People don't like to sit around for flash stuff, and games and video can be provided through other means. So the rest of flash is wasteful and counterproductive to providing a good website and a good user experience. I know this for a fact. I have done the testing.
Web sites don't have to abandon flash if they don't want to, they just need to provide alternative means to provide the same content to end devices that don't want to support the resource hog/non compliant flash model.
Most websites are not raking in the dough from users and advertising. They can not afford to be alienating visitors to their site and denying them access.
As if your line of work had anything to do with the absurdity of your position on what people do or do not want on their internet devices! Your comments never cease to amaze me, however.
The hue and cry from iphone/Touch owners over the lack of FLash is all the proof I need for my position on this subject.