The iPod is dead.

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The iPod is no longer on Apple's homepage, nor is the Apple TV (or iTunes for that matter). The page can still be accessed from the store, but it's no longer important to Apple.

http://www.apple.com/

EDIT: Just noticed it's under the Music tab. Maybe there's still hope for new iPods after all.
 
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myrtlebee

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I'd have to say I think they will discontinue the Touch at least just before WWDC 2016. It is pitiful that they are still selling it at that price with an A5. Was really looking forward to getting a new one with an iPhone 6-inspired design and an A8 chip. Oh well, I'll stick with iPad mini since I'm not in the market for an iPhone. Can't say we didn't see this coming though.
 

RyanJon

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I'd have to say I think they will discontinue the Touch at least just before WWDC 2016. It is pitiful that they are still selling it at that price with an A5. Was really looking forward to getting a new one with an iPhone 6-inspired design and an A8 chip. Oh well, I'll stick with iPad mini since I'm not in the market for an iPhone. Can't say we didn't see this coming though.
I'd feel the same.. But the iPad Mini has too large of a form factor for my use. I'd have to carry 4 of them around.. No thanks.
 
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Well, there is still a market for a quality audio device which solely exists to play music, has a decent battery, and a capacious memory.

It is just that Apple seem to have decided that they have no interest in creating - or developing - devices that will cater to this market.

However, it is more than simply the purported obsolescence of the iPod family. This is also about new models of owning and accessing music.

Once Upon A Distant Time, when you bought a vinyl record, or a CD, you owned it, and - as long as you did not seek to make a profit from playing it publicly - you could play it when and where you liked.

However, the old nexus, or connection between recording companies and availability of music was destroyed with the development of iTunes.

Nowadays, with the advent of not just iTunes, but the whole idea of migrating content to the Cloud, Apple is seeking to persuade individuals to adopt a new form of music ownership, where you pay 'rental' for access to data you have stored, and where even your access to that data is conditional, rather than absolute.

In other words, under the new system, once you buy the music, you do not 'own' it, and nor do you have the right to play it endlessly as you did with a vinyl LP, or a CD.

Instead, you merely acquire the right to rent it, both as a download and as something stored on the Cloud. This model - sold to youngsters as 'cool and as a 'space-saving' idea (who but old fogies, old curmudgeons - such as myself - really wants to keep all of their antique music collections on one device?) will offer a means of generating endless capital and profit as you will have to continually pay to access your own music.

This is the future that Apple is chasing, and is - to my mind - the real reason that the iPod is being discontinued and starved of resources for further and future development.
 

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Well, there is still a market for a quality audio device which solely exists to play music, has a decent battery, and a capacious memory.

It is just that Apple seem to have decided that they have no interest in creating - or developing - devices that will cater to this market.

However, it is more than simply the purported obsolescence of the iPod family. This is also about new models of owning and accessing music.

Once Upon A Distant Time, when you bought a vinyl record, or a CD, you owned it, and - as long as you did not seek to make a profit from playing it publicly - you could play it when and where you liked.

However, the old nexus, or connection between recording companies and availability of music was destroyed with the development of iTunes.

Nowadays, with the advent of not just iTunes, but the whole idea of migrating content to the Cloud, Apple is seeking to persuade individuals to adopt a new form of music ownership, where you pay 'rental' for access to data you have stored, and where even your access to that data is conditional, rather than absolute.

In other words, under the new system, once you buy the music, you do not 'own' it, and nor do you have the right to play it endlessly as you did with a vinyl LP, or a CD.

Instead, you merely acquire the right to rent it, both as a download and as something stored on the Cloud. This model - sold to youngsters as 'cool and as a 'space-saving' idea (who but old fogies, old curmudgeons - such as myself - really wants to keep all of their antique music collections on one device?) will offer a means of generating endless capital and profit as you will have to continually pay to access your own music.

This is the future that Apple is chasing, and is - to my mind - the real reason that the iPod is being discontinued and starved of resources for further and future development.
Well put and I can't agree more. Funny enough.. I don't use my iPod for storing music.. I use mine for making it. I run a series of apps that allow my iPod to become a guitar amp.. I use it for both studio work and live performance. They're small, easy to carry.. I can quite literally, fit my whole guitar rig in a guitar case (guitar and other accessories included).. As well as a backup pair of iPods, just in case. I carry a total of 4. I guess I can always just replace with iPad Minis as the iPods slowly die (the two I always use are slowly heading in that direction), but something the size of an iPod is what I'd like to be carrying. The form factor in small venues is absolutely outstanding.. Plus.. I wouldn't be able to fit everything in one case anymore, lol.

I'm really hoping that the iPod being taken off the main page is just them retooling the whole page with a brand new line. One can hope, I presume.
 

repentix

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I don't really care if the iPod dies, the best iPod models have already been released (eg. Nano 5g, classic) and I will continue to use them daily, for the things I do, I don't need a new iPod, a used one is just as adequate.
 

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I see them continuing with the Shuffle and a new iteration of the iPod Touch. For the gym and running crowd the Shuffle is simply the best there is, hands down. I love my 7th gen iPod nano because I travel a lot, and don't want to be concerned with streaming. I also don't want to schlepp my iPhone to Africa either, where it becomes little more than a crappy iPod. With all the new emphasis on music by Apple, it still makes sense to me to have a non-streaming capable device besides one's cell phone. Nothing more than my biased opinion and hope.
 

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I think the Shuffle will stay around for a little while. Maybe it'll receive an update with Beats One radio integration. If any iPod will be staying, it shall be the Shuffle.
 

placidity44

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I could honestly care less if they kill of the iPod. Loved the touch back in the day but I don't even store music locally anymore I use spotify for pretty much everything. Might listen to music at night before I head to bed or in the car.
 

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I could honestly care less if they kill of the iPod. Loved the touch back in the day but I don't even store music locally anymore I use spotify for pretty much everything. Might listen to music at night before I head to bed or in the car.
I daresay. But - while you could not care less - others could, and do care quite a lot.

However, there are still some of us who want to be able to transport their entire music library (which they constantly add to) around in one, neat, capacious, elegant device.

And there are those of us who have deep reservations about this new business model which seeks to transform what used to be music 'ownership' to a model whereby you must constantly pay to rent music.

Of those two models, I am in no doubt which of the two I far prefer, and which of the two gives me considerable cause for concern.
 
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placidity44

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I daresay. But - while you could not care less - others could, and do care quite a lot.

However, there are still some of us who want to be able to transport their entire music library (which they constantly add to) around in one, neat, capacious, elegant device.

And there are those of us who have deep reservations about this new business model which seeks to transform what used to be music 'ownership' to a model whereby you must constantly pay to rent music.

Of those two models, I am in no doubt which of the two I far prefer, and which of the two gives me
considerable cause for concern.
Oh I was in no way state or form saying they should or that other people don't get a ton of enjoyment out of the devices. While spotify works phenomenally for me and i'm psyched for Apple music I get that a lot of people prefer to own their music and the iPod is a great gateway apple product. My apologies if I came across as arrogant I was just stating my usage.
 

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Oh I was in no way state or form saying they should or that other people don't get a ton of enjoyment out of the devices. While spotify works phenomenally for me and i'm psyched for Apple music I get that a lot of people prefer to own their music and the iPod is a great gateway apple product. My apologies if I came across as arrogant I was just stating my usage.
Well said, and fair enough, and fair comment.
 
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However, there are still some of us who want to be able to transport their entire music library (which they constantly add to) around in one, neat, capacious, elegant device.
You still can - they're called iPhones and you can find 4s/5's pretty cheaply. You don't even need to activate the cellular features...

Just get an old, unactivated iPhone and be done with it..
 
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You still can - they're called iPhones and you can find 4s/5's pretty cheaply. You don't even need to activate the cellular features...

Just get an old, unactivated iPhone and be done with it..

Perhaps it may come as a surprise to you to learn that - for music - I am not interested in an iPhone. At all. Except for use as a phone, at some stage, and maybe some of the bells and whistles the world has been talking about for quite a few years.

Now, I don't doubt that the day will come when I shall probably have to succumb and buy an iPhone - for phone purposes, or those funny messages that appear - but it hasn't arrived yet, and this is not why I would ever contemplate buying an iPhone…..

For one thing, the memory is too small. I want to be able to carry all (and I mean all - I have almost 100GB of music on my iTunes, all of it ripped CDs, mine…..) on one device. For now, the iPod classic (with 160GB of memory) allows me to so that.

For another, I simply want to be able to play music - and nothing else on that device. Nice and uncomplicated. For a third (reason), I have never heard of anyone lauding the iPhone merely as a music player; perhaps it is superlative, but this is not what it was designed to do, and this is not what I suspect it is really good at.

Besides, at the end of the day, if Apple - having revolutionised how the world sees, plays, markets, sells, buys, consumes and stores - music, have decided to head elsewhere for the provision of an audio device that simply plays music (superbly), then, with regret, I'll do the same.

By profession, I trained as a historian; that means, I am rather good at research. Questions and research have told me that Astell & Kern (and similar companies) make superb audio devices which play music, allow you to transport your entire music collection in one fell swoop, and which are wonderfully portable and very solidly made and look great.

You know, - much though it may pain me to admit to this - but Apple are not the only company in the world to make great audio players. Now, I'll readily admit that if it were not painfully clear that they intend to assassinate the iPod classic (a superb and genuinely historically important and incredibly revolutionary transformational device in the context of the development of technology, and concepts of music acquisition, consumption, purchase, and ownership - a tech icon, no less) - then, I would never have looked outside the Apple eco-system.

But my love of music, my dislike of the 'rentier' model of musical ownership, my distrust of the Cloud, (I'm kind of attached to hard drives…), my unease with the murder of the iPod classic (a device that has accompanied me, literally, across the globe), the fact that I live and work quite often in strange, dysfunctional countries where rapid, reliable internet connections are a longed for fantasy rather than a mundane reality, my desire to transport all of my music in one, sturdy, elegant, non-high-maintenance device……all of this has predisposed me to feel a lingering warmth for the iPod classic, and some considerable disdain for some of the alternatives offered.
 

RyanJon

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Have you looked at the prices of some of the Astell & Kern units? Some of them fetch a couple grand. Their entry level player is $500 new and is only 64gb.
 

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Have you looked at the prices of some of the Astell & Kern units? Some of them fetch a couple grand. Their entry level player is $500 new and is only 64gb.
Yes, I know the prices. I am trying to justify this expenditure to myself.

Not only have I looked at them, in another thread I wrote about having been given one (the original A&K 120) as a 'loaner' for a few weeks, to try it out, a few weeks ago.

I had made it clear to the guy who gave it to me (the manager of a high end audio store where I have bought B&W speakers and headphones) that I was (and am) in the market for a high end device which will replace my iPod classic, and he offered me his own personal device to try out.

I have to say that - as a device that simply plays music - it was superb.
 

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What's interesting to me is the shift from owning your music to simply renting it. If I recall correctly the latter was deemed a terrible business model before the Itunes Store came into play and the argument was that people actually wanted to own the music and not rent it.

With the new music app, it'll be interesting to see how much exposure an up and coming artist can get, when there are so many artists to choose from.

I still use my shuffle on a daily basis and seriously hope that the Ipod will be around for a while because it let's me pick the music I want to listen to.
It was indeed a terrible business model back then. Back then, there was no cellular LTE networks to stream anywhere, there was barely any 3G, no phones had a competent music player, the technology worked half the time, the implementation was simply a mess. Now in 2015, infrastructure is a lot better and more able to support such a service.
 

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:::snip:::

However, it is more than simply the purported obsolescence of the iPod family. This is also about new models of owning and accessing music.

Once Upon A Distant Time, when you bought a vinyl record, or a CD, you owned it, and - as long as you did not seek to make a profit from playing it publicly - you could play it when and where you liked.
And when it wore out, or we lost it in a fire, or we sold it... our rights ended then and there. We owned the object (do you want paper or plastic?), not the words or sounds imprinted upon it.

However, the old nexus, or connection between recording companies and availability of music was destroyed with the development of iTunes

Nowadays, with the advent of not just iTunes, but the whole idea of migrating content to the Cloud, Apple is seeking to persuade individuals to adopt a new form of music ownership, where you pay 'rental' for access to data you have stored, and where even your access to that data is conditional, rather than absolute.

In other words, under the new system, once you buy the music, you do not 'own' it, and nor do you have the right to play it endlessly as you did with a vinyl LP, or a CD.
No need to blame iTunes, it's just a recent example. Copyright holders (and patent owners) have been selling limited-rights licenses with no physical object attached going back centuries - the right to perform in public, the right to include a song in a movie soundtrack, the right to print an edition in another language, the right to play on the radio or show on TV...

When you couch the debate in terms like "music ownership," yeah, the download/subscription model seems a tough pill to swallow. You pay all that money, and what do you have to show for it? Thoughts and emotions; mind and spirit.

From my perspective, I never owned it, so nothing changes. To me, it's little different than a concert or theater ticket; gone when you leave the hall. The music belongs to the composer, the words stay with the author, the performance is the performers'.

Instead, you merely acquire the right to rent it, both as a download and as something stored on the Cloud. This model - sold to youngsters as 'cool and as a 'space-saving' idea (who but old fogies, old curmudgeons - such as myself - really wants to keep all of their antique music collections on one device?) will offer a means of generating endless capital and profit as you will have to continually pay to access your own music.

This is the future that Apple is chasing, and is - to my mind - the real reason that the iPod is being discontinued and starved of resources for further and future development.
From the standpoint of a person who lost his black vinyl in a divorce, much of his print library in various downsizes and moves, and has worn out multiple copies of The Lord of the Rings... I actually like this future - it's far cheaper than re-acquiring what I used to "own" and replacing what's been damaged... and then there's my endless musical bucket list.

$9.99/month to use the musical equivalent of the Great Library of Alexandria? Compared to a single movie ticket or $99 for a day at Walt Disney World? Compared to my phone bill, cable TV, rent, car payments? It's cheap. And on top of that, I get an off-premises backup of all the CDs I own, and the convenience of having that entire library available wherever I go (regardless of the capacity of whatever device I'm using).

How does any of this fit into the supposed demise of iPod? Everything on Apple Music can be downloaded to iTunes and synced onto iPod, and if it's a Touch, you can also stream live whenever you have a Wi-Fi connection. Nothing changes, no new equipment is needed. The only difference is, if you want to download a song, it won't cost you $1.29 - you're now on the all-you-can-eat plan. iPod owners are all potentially Apple Music subscribers, especially if they currently spend more than $9.99/month on iTunes. If Apple pulls the plug on iPod it'll be because people have stopped buying iPods in favor of other Apple devices that include a music player (is there an Apple device that doesn't have a music player?). End of story.
 

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I don't really care if the iPod dies, the best iPod models have already been released (eg. Nano 5g, classic) and I will continue to use them daily, for the things I do, I don't need a new iPod, a used one is just as adequate.
I've still got 3 non-iOS iPods in regular use and I'd also take the second hand replacement route if any of mine dropped dead.
 

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It's dead. Apple want you to buy an iPhone. Hopefully my 160GB Classic will outlive many.