The keyboard

Discussion in 'iPad' started by mikethebigo, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. mikethebigo macrumors 68000

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    Hey guys,

    I was trying to type as fast as I could on the keyboard and I realized something funny. Have you noticed that on the iPad keyboard, it doesn't register a key until you pick your finger up? I think this is why I have issues with typing too fast, and I can't figure out the advantage of programming it this way versus programming it to register a key when I press down on it.

    I can't imagine the keyboard will ever be as efficient as a real keyboard as long as it's built this way (yes I mean duh, of course virtual keyboards are less efficient for tactile reasons, but this seems like another unnecessary barrier).

    Has anyone else noticed this?
     
  2. fizzwinkus macrumors 6502a

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    if you tap and miss, you can just slide over to the correct key and lift.

    or tap and hold on a key and extra options will show.
     
  3. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    The tap and miss works with the iPhone keyboard, where you can see what button you're hitting because it expands up above the key. You can barely tell with the iPad because the letter just gets dark under your finger. You miss less anyway, because the keys are so large. I don't think this implementation makes sense on the iPad.
     
  4. Don Kosak macrumors 6502a

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    If you press and Hold certain keys, you get additional characters.

    Try "a", or "e" to see all of the accents. "," and "." give you extra punctuation choices. Some letters like "l" give you symbols.

    If iOS typed the character on "touch-down" (press) instead of "touch-up" (release), it wouldn't be able to respond to long presses to display the extra characters.
     
  5. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Why not? Couldn't it type the character on "touch-down" and then just replace it if you ended up selecting a different character?
     
  6. rcp27 macrumors regular

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    As someone who has to type German reasonably frequently but can't cope with the transposed y and z on the German keyboard layout, the easy access to accented characters is really useful. The biggest problem I have with the iPad keyboard is the lack off tactile feedback. There are no useful ridges to find thebhome keys, so I keep finding I have typed a few whole words one character to the right or left. For serious typing there is always the Bluetooth keyboard, though.
     
  7. thelookingglass macrumors 68000

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    I wonder if the lack of tactile feedback is a gripe that'll go away in the future once today's toddlers, who've been trained on virtual keyboards, grow up. I was watching Tron last night and it was interesting to see the use of virtual keyboards in more than one scene.
     
  8. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I, too, thought that after watching Tron. One interesting thing to note is that the original Tron from decades ago had touchscreen keyboards, and they never gined traction then. They are widely available in mass consumer devices now, so we'll see if things are different this time around.

    I will note that one thing going against touch screen keyboards is that there is no standard system yet. You rely fully on knowledge of the keyboard layout on touch screens since you have no tactile feedback. How can you get used to them when every type is different?

    Still though, I would love it if anyone had a good explanation to my first question - I still can't figure out why the keys don't register on tap down insted of lift up.
     
  9. ZilogZ80 macrumors 6502a

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    It's meant for 'peckers' (is that the term?!) rather than touch typists. If you see you've touched the wrong button, you slide your finger over to the right key and then release it.

    Regarding tactile feedback - it'll happen eventually. Just needs someone to invent a display where the individual pixels can 'pop up' by a few thousandths of a millimetre when current is applied.
     
  10. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I can feel when my finger presses against the glass; that's tactile feedback to me.
     
  11. fizzwinkus macrumors 6502a

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    there have been several explanations, just none you liked.
     
  12. ZilogZ80 macrumors 6502a

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    I think they mean so you can feel where you are on the keyboard or the edges of keys etc. without looking at them (which definitely makes touch typing quicker)

    lol :D
     
  13. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I get that, but considering I would never expect to be able to touch-type on a virtual keyboard its just not something I would complain about. That and I can't touch-type. ;)
     
  14. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I don't believe any of the explanations are good enough to justify the current, less efficient implementation.
     
  15. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I'm quite happy with the implementation, makes it really easy to get to alternate characters.
     
  16. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Like I said, couldn't it still insert the character on "touch down" and just change it if you end up selecting an alternate character?
     
  17. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I think it has to wait until you release your finger in case you change your mind or pause there before continuing.
     
  18. fizzwinkus macrumors 6502a

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    what you have then, is it input the character, but could change it at any time, as it's waiting for you to lift your finger to finalize the input. - or exactly what you have now.

    I don't believe any of the proposals are good enough to justify changing the current, more efficient implementation.

    see how i did that?
     
  19. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Well aren't you just unpleasant. I was just asking a question. What do you prefer I do, have the mods delete the thread if I was wrong?
     
  20. Kyotoma macrumors 68000

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    +1000
     
  21. porcupine8 macrumors 6502a

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    I haven't been here very long, but this is the closest thing I've seen to a threatened flounce. Thank you for making these forums more amusing!

    My question to you is: why don't you pick up your fingers between letters? I have several problems trying to touch-type on the iPad keyboard, but this has not been one of them. Actually, I just tested this and if you hold down one letter while typing another, it goes ahead and types both in order. It does not wait for you to pick up your finger from the first one. So how exactly is it giving you problems?
     
  22. fizzwinkus macrumors 6502a

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    it only happens when someone tries to improve on what we have now by suggesting exactly what we have now, while deriding what we have now.

    ;)
     
  23. mikethebigo thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)

    Okay, after investigating a little further, you guys are right. The keyboard does recognize input on the "touch down". Even if I haven't released the key, if I press another one, it will input the characters into the text field in the correct order. Guess my point is moot!
     

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