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On a side note, did anyone else catch the pilot for Pushing Daisies last night? It is absolutely hilarious! Very Tim Burton-esque with great writing and actors. I hope it lasts at least a few seasons, but I'm afraid it doesn't appeal to a large enough audience, and like Black&Tan said, if a show doesn't bring in a massive audience right away, it's done. Stupid.

Pushing Daisies is another Bryan Fuller original. Which means it'll turn out to be an awesome show and ABC will kill it after 6 episodes.

(granted Dead Like Me lasted 2 whole seasons, but not with Bryan Fuller)
 
I like Pushing Daisies because they give people's ages in exact years, months, days, hours, minutes, and seconds. :D

But it's not a "backgrounds and mysteries gradually revealed" show, so it's not the type that this thread is about.
 
Pushing Daisies got really good ratings, I think it did the best of the new shows last night. Who knows if it will maintain that, but so far so good.

LOST seems to have the odd quality that the fans always love the previous season. When 2 was on, people complained that it wasn't as good as the first. But when 3 was on, people said "2 was awesome, why can't three be as good"? I assume it will continue until the show ends. Shows like Lost also benefit from DVD watching, whether that's a first watch or seeing it again.

A couple other "serial" shows were Invasion and Surface, it seemed like there were a ton the year after Lost. The only show to follow in its footsteps and succeed so far is Heroes.
 
Although not at all in the same vein as "Lost," I was reading about Dogfights on the History Channel. Last season, it was a "breakaway hit." This year, the show is being time-shifted all over the place, for example switching the broadcast date from 9pm one night to 9am the following day. Switching days, preempting without notice, it seems like a lost show.

And behind the scenes, it appears there's a new President of the History Channel and she seems to prefer reality programming. So, by moving a heavy CGI program to varying time slots and days, ratings will plummet and she can then declare poor ratings and cancel the program. Another way to make her influence felt and change the line-up to suit her ideas about broadcasting.

Of course, alienating your core audience is certainly a way to boost long-term ratings.
 
A couple other "serial" shows were Invasion and Surface, it seemed like there were a ton the year after Lost.

..and Surface is exactly why I won't commit to an arching storyline on the big 3 networks.And especially sci-fi! Surface was different, and while I didn't love the characters at first, the story was very interesting. So I watched the whole season, got wrapped up in the characters, and wondered about the storyline only to find out 3 months later that it was cancelled? For what, another CSI spinoff or reality show?
 
It's ridiculous that they're stretching the remaining episodes over three years. I'm with you in that they should have done it in two.

I'm fairly certain that by the end of this upcoming season I will have lost all interest in the show. The third season was bad enough, at least up until the finale which I felt was pretty strong.

I just don't think the writers have it in 'em anymore.

On a side note, did anyone else catch the pilot for Pushing Daisies last night? It is absolutely hilarious! Very Tim Burton-esque with great writing and actors. I hope it lasts at least a few seasons, but I'm afraid it doesn't appeal to a large enough audience, and like Black&Tan said, if a show doesn't bring in a massive audience right away, it's done. Stupid.

I assumed the three years was so they could write the shows, since the writers have no idea what they're doing.

I really don't mind - it's not that much shorter of a season than a regular TV shows, it just feels like it because they're airing uninterupted.

It would probably follow the same story-line and plot as if they aired a full season worth of episodes, only condense them into less programs and thus knock out the filler (hopefully - we'll see in January!).

As for Pushing Daises, I caught a little of it - I agree it's very Butoneqsue, but I think that's something I like more from my movies than TV shows. It reminds me *a lot* of Wonderfalls (which was great, but lasted less than a season).

I heard from initial ratings reports it did really well, but I doubt it'll hang onto the ratings. I think it benefited more from Kid Nation being a flop and Deal or No Deal losing wind than anything else; I believe it's the only drama in the time slot at the moment...
 
..and Surface is exactly why I won't commit to an arching storyline on the big 3 networks.And especially sci-fi! Surface was different, and while I didn't love the characters at first, the story was very interesting. So I watched the whole season, got wrapped up in the characters, and wondered about the storyline only to find out 3 months later that it was cancelled? For what, another CSI spinoff or reality show?

Firefly, anyone?
 
Carnivale from HBO was very Lost-like in the fact that every episode asked more questions than it answered, yet the creator claimed to "know exactly where he was going."

Unfortunately it was shot down after 2 seasons.

As for Pushing Daises, I caught a little of it - I agree it's very Butoneqsue, but I think that's something I like more from my movies than TV shows. It reminds me *a lot* of Wonderfalls (which was great, but lasted less than a season).

Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies are both created by the same guy, Bryan Fuller. He also did Dead Like Me and is a co-producer of Heroes.
 
Twin Peaks would be the trunk of this tree... the web wasn't so much of a factor then but there was plenty of other supporting merchandising and promotional material that played a similar role.

In its two seasons, it changed the face of network television, not least of all bringing motion-picture production values to the small screen and the emphasis on the paranormal, surrealism and red herrings, combined with continuing drama overtones lifted from soaps and old movie serials. Wild Palms and the X-Files arrived not long after on its heels.

You are soooo right. :D

I have not seen Inland Empire yet, but it's on my to-do list.

I have read that Mr. Lynch's favorite restaurant is Bob's Big Boy, and that he goes to one in the middle of the night, to eat and "observe". I'm cool with this.

"No hay venda!"
 
Dead Like Me
Wonderfalls
Heroes
Pushing Daisies

Bryan Fuller is amazing!

I honestly never pay attention to producers or creators so I had no idea this guy was behind these programs.

I love(d) all of these. It's too bad Wonderfalls never even got a chance.

Firefly was another great show that got stuck in a horrible time slot. It's too bad Serenity didn't do very well or we could have at least had one or two more movies to look forward to. :(
 
Firefly was another great show that got stuck in a horrible time slot. It's too bad Serenity didn't do very well or we could have at least had one or two more movies to look forward to. :(

I wouldn't be so sure, I've seen rumors flying around about Serenity 2 still being a possibility thanks to DVD sales of Serenity.
 
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