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Have you followed the Liquidmetal rumors back then?
Apple was experimenting with a new alloy with higher resistance and light weight. Moreover, this name never got advertised, so it clearly wasn't a marketing thing.
Silly name aside, last I heard parts made with this alloy were a solid rather than a liquid.
 
Cool! Will it support the Apple Pencil?
Idk if you're joking but I would LOVE AP support on my iPhone and I think it's bogus there's no way to draw or sketch more accurately on an iPhone than with one's finger or a big bulgy junk "stylus" from Amazon.

Also, this 17 sounds worse every time I read about it.
 
Did you actually listen to the whole podcast?
What's projected the battery life? —> discussed extensively
How much does it weigh? —> discussed extensively
What are the dimensions? —> discussed extensively
What's it going to cost? —> discussed extensively
What type of display? —> discussed extensively
What chip? —> discussed
Yeah, I did. All I heard was idle conjecture. Perhaps I should have parsed my original statement.
 
They can explain away the ti & SS in favor of aluminum by mentioning how environmentally destructive mining titanium is & toxis SS is to alloy, compared to the still bad but not as terrible Al. But in keeping with Apple making their products cheaper to produce every year while keeping the price the same or increasing it, switching back to Aluminum buys them another year.

They really could just mold the entire case in glass + a removable glass display. Then the whole body can be repeatedly recycled on through to countertops and flashlights in its lifecycle. Everyone just puts them in cases anyway.
 
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I really like the 17 Air as described in the show. Definitely interested in buying it next year (upgrade from XS) as long as it's not too overpriced.
 
These are all alloys. Just let Apple engineers do their thing.

With all the quality issues on the new phones I don’t trust them.

Found an image of Tim gathering materials for the new phones.

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Maybe they realized now that it’s not much of a selling point and the weight is creeping towards iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max territory so the switch to aluminum would make sense for reducing the weight to make holding one of these new iPhones more comfortable and save money for Apple at the same time.
Nope. Aluminium boost profit margins by 90%. Its the only reason.

My cousin works for the engineering.
 
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so basically a largely compromised design on everything that counts for the sake of shaving a couple millimiters?

Right now, the only even barely usable iPhone is the 15 pro max…the 14 was horribly heavy and the 16 is heavier as well.
 
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it'd be nice if an updated version of magsafe on this could do 30w, coupled with a relatively thin 6000mah 30w magsafe battery pack with magsafe on the battery pack itself to attach phone grips for when it's connected to the phone. no more empty battery. and we could keep using our phone grip even when the battery pack is attached.
A combined phone case with integrated magsafe battery and cooling fan for when the phone is running Apple Intelligence LLM is the optimal solution.
 
A combined phone case with integrated magsafe battery and cooling fan for when the phone is running Apple Intelligence LLM is the optimal solution.
mmhmmm. Strapping a fan to the back of my phone to have the dubious privilege or running an « ai » ******** generator.

How about removing the neural engine and put more battery there?
 
mmhmmm. Strapping a fan to the back of my phone to have the dubious privilege or running an « ai » ******** generator.

How about removing the neural engine and put more battery there?
removing the neural engine would literally give a microscopic amount of space, which would basically increase battery life by a minute or two, the chip is already tiny as hell (9.5mm wide)
 
Just bought my wife a 16 PM. She's going to love the titanium. Xmas present let's go. Her reason to upgrade is her iPhone 13 pro max charging port stopped working, never been wet. Funny thing is, my iPhone 13 pro max did the same thing so I switched to an S23 ultra and its been amazing. Am considering a iPhone 17 pro next year, not air, but we shall see.
 
I do think its funny how I'm reading so many articles about the "crisis" people are expecting to have over whether to get the iPhone 17 Pro or the iPhone 17 Air. Basically, they are Pro model users who need/want/use the best features available, but are actually considering downgrading to a worse phone just because Apple is making some bold design choices to make the mid-tier iPhone more compelling than it is right now. Can we say, dopamine issues? The Pro model remains where it's at, and will continue that way.
 
I think it’s time for a visual change. We’ve basically had the same look back there since 2019. The only changes were the addition of LiDAR four years ago and bigger lenses three years ago.
And? Who cares? Apple's settled on a really beautiful design. If they can make it lighter, thinner, wonderful, but otherwise, its capabilities are what sells it now.

Plus, Apple spends all this time crafting these beautiful things and everyone puts an ugly plastic case on them. I don't think Apple needs to overthink this one.
 
Everyone should be using a case anyway.

Ew. Gross, no.

And why? For real. If everyone should be using a case, and most people do use cases, why bother making the phones even look nice at all? Why doesn't Apple just build an option that foregoes all the metal at all, and just uses a basic plastic body that people can slap a case on. Then they can save money and Apple can sell more phones.

Or go a step further. Make buying an iPhone like buying a studio display. You choose between a titanium body/glass back for extra $, or otherwise, you're getting a beefed up plastic/silicone phone that's exactly the same on the outside, but made with cheaper and more durable materials.
 
Going back to aluminum is a terrible step backwards. Welcome back to raggedy looking phones after a single drop.
Yep. I remember during my Samsung days. Those aluminum sides would just wear down very easily with a case, just the silicone case caused abrasions no matter how many times a day one cleaned the phone and case. No issues with the iPhone so far for me.
 
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And? Who cares? Apple's settled on a really beautiful design. If they can make it lighter, thinner, wonderful, but otherwise, its capabilities are what sells it now.

Plus, Apple spends all this time crafting these beautiful things and everyone puts an ugly plastic case on them. I don't think Apple needs to overthink this one.
Eventually the market cares by declining sales and and Apple responds accordingly based on what is technologically possible and economically feasible for them to do. Eventually even a beautiful design needs to be replaced with another (hopefully) beautiful design.
 
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It's all over. This is the last straw for me. Apple is unnovation makes me wanna Hawk Pui...

Mobile phones have simply been commodity items for a handful of years.
Just what would you call innovation? Be curious to know.
 
Ugly and cheap looking for a higher price. Always bought APPLE b/c of quality materials and longevity. This proposed phone in “aluminum” will dent, bend, and looks like it came from Wal Mart. I’ll keep my Titanium Pro16. Much more professional and Classy.
 
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My iPhone history - 3gs, 4, 5, 6+, 10, 11pro, 14pro ... and, agree with you, the 10 was the best.
My iPhone history - 10. And still use it every day. Nothing to compare to, but i'm glad you guys say it's at least the best now I had it for years and years, lol
 
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