The MB/MBP hinge SUCKS! (and other complaints) - but i still bought one...

theman

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Let me start off by saying that I think the MBP is one of the best (well, THE best) notebooks you can buy. It's very light weight, thin, has great specs at a reasonable price, and of course runs Mac OS X. The Macbook is also a great computer.

However, just like most computer manufacturers, Apple decided, instead of making the computer perfect, to create a terrible flaw and annoyance in design. I cannot think of any reason why they have done this. Now, I'm going to focus on the MBP, since the Macbook is just a budget computer, and not that much is expected (but still...).

Here we go...

The hinge! Why Apple, why? Why make a notebook whose screen swings down behind the computer, unlike any other notebook? Are they trying to be unique? Well, in this case, they are being unique as in those "special" kids. It prevents someone from tilting the screen back much farther than 90 degrees, so in some situations, like in bed, or on the floor, the machine is unusable.

Next, since the screen goes behind the computer, all the I/O ports must be on the sides. For people like me, who are replacing a desktop with this computer (probably as a pretty large number of people are doing since it's so powerful), ports on the sides are incredibly annoying and inconvenient. I have to plug in the magsafe plug, a printer, a scanner, a monitor, speakers, a router, a firewire audio interface, a keyboard, a mouse, and a whole bunch of other junk. Instead of having all these things run neatly out the back of my computer, I have to run the cords all over my table, and they will get in the way of all sorts of things I can't even imagine.

Now, this leads to the big one. The Macbook Pro - a $2000-2800 computer - has 2 USB ports. Are you serious, Apple? My $550 Dell notebook has 4 USB ports. It's just unbelievable that the MBP doesn't have at least that many.

Besides it's flaws, as I said earlier, the MBP is still the best notebook you can buy. This is why I bought one a few days ago. However, now, I have to go out, buy a new desk, rearrange my room (actually CLEAN my room...:eek:), figure out how to set everything up, plus go out and buy 1, or maybe 2 USB hubs so I can plug everything in. Now sure, that's fine and dandy, but wouldn't it just be easier if I could just throw out my desktop, stick my MBP right there, plug everything in and be ready to go? Come on Apple, is that too much to ask? And I know everyone here is a total fanboy, but I know you're all thinking the same thing. ;)


:apple:



- The MAN
 

anirban

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It's very light weight, thin, has great specs at a reasonable price


The hinge! Why Apple, why? Why make a notebook whose screen swings down behind the computer, unlike any other notebook? Are they trying to be unique? Well, in this case, they are being unique as in those "special" kids. It prevents someone from tilting the screen back much farther than 90 degrees, so in some situations, like in bed, or on the floor, the machine is unusable.

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Next, since the screen goes behind the computer, all the I/O ports must be on the sides.

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Now, this leads to the big one. The Macbook Pro - a $2000-2800 computer - has 2 USB ports.


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Well, if you wanted the screen to tilt 180 degrees, need 4 USB ports, and want all the I/O ports to go behind the screen, you can forget what you said in the first couple of lines.

The MBP is light, thin, sleek because of these design factors. I dont think that it would be as sleek if it met all your requirements. Having the I/O ports at the back would certainly increase the thickness of the machine.

If Apple could have put in more USB ports and make the screen tilt 180 degrees, while maintaining the current design specifications, I am sure they would have done it.
 

vicious7

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Yeah, I agree that Apple skimped on the design in that respect. For something as sleek as an MBP, wires and plugs and such running out the sides makes a beautiful computer look like a flat spider. Maybe they will change up the design on the next rev, but I doubt it.
 

dacreativeguy

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I think you bought the wrong computer. The MacPro is perfect for the desktop computer that you seem to be describing. The MacBook Pro is a notebook.
 

theman

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Well, if you wanted the screen to tilt 180 degrees, need 4 USB ports, and want all the I/O ports to go behind the screen, you can forget what you said in the first couple of lines.

The MBP is light, thin, sleek because of these design factors. I dont think that it would be as sleek if it met all your requirements.

If Apple could have put in more USB ports and make the screen tilt 180 degrees, while maintaining the current design specifications, I am sure they would have done it.
I think I could live with an extra 1/8" and maybe 2 extra ounces. Would anyone honestly notice that? Functionality>>>looks (except when it comes to cables running all over your table).
 

odinsride

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i have to agree, the ports all being on the side is a bit lame, but the hinge doesn't really bother me at all..

regardless, i still love my mbp :)
 

anirban

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I think I could live with an extra 1/8" and maybe 2 extra ounces. Would anyone honestly notice that? Functionality>>>looks (except when it comes to cables running all over your table).
Yeah, but thats a different debate all together!
 

PlaceofDis

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a decent amount of your chords can be cleared away and made easier if you get a powered hub and then you have less to plug in and take out each time you go to your desk.
 

panzer06

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The hinge! Why Apple, why? Why make a notebook whose screen swings down behind the computer, unlike any other notebook? Are they trying to be unique? Well, in this case, they are being unique as in those "special" kids. It prevents someone from tilting the screen back much farther than 90 degrees, so in some situations, like in bed, or on the floor, the machine is unusable.

Next, since the screen goes behind the computer, all the I/O ports must be on the sides. For people like me, who are replacing a desktop with this computer (probably as a pretty large number of people are doing since it's so powerful), ports on the sides are incredibly annoying and inconvenient. I have to plug in the magsafe plug, a printer, a scanner, a monitor, speakers, a router, a firewire audio interface, a keyboard, a mouse, and a whole bunch of other junk. Instead of having all these things run neatly out the back of my computer, I have to run the cords all over my table, and they will get in the way of all sorts of things I can't even imagine.

Now, this leads to the big one. The Macbook Pro - a $2000-2800 computer - has 2 USB ports. Are you serious, Apple? My $550 Dell notebook has 4 USB ports. It's just unbelievable that the MBP doesn't have at least that many.


- The MAN
Now I tend to agree I would like a better viewing angle at times, however, I don't see how they could keep it as sleek without that compromise (I'm no industrial designer).

I too must agree with tying up both sides with ports. It's slightly annoying but generally I don't have any major issues with plugging and unplugging (and I have to do it two to three times a day).

USB ports - Here I must disagree. Laptops with 4 USB ports don't generally have full size (powered) FW400 and FW800 ports. A small USB hub is better than connecting all those wires directly anyway!

What I really miss is an intergrated eSATA port so that booting from eSATA would be possible.

All-in-all, every Mac laptop I've had (starting with a PB G4 Titanium 550) had design tradeoffs but generally provided many years of faithful service.

With this new MBP 2.2 I have replaced all my other systems and use this as my primary work and play machine. In the past my computer time has been spread across 2 - 3 (Mac & PC) systems. Only time will tell if it can handle all that plugging and unplugging, and daily 18 hours or use.

Enjoy that new Mac.

Cheers,
 

Architect4122

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I've been thinking about this for a while. And the conclusion is this: Apple is amazing, they know EXACTLY what they are doing and they know EXACTLY what they want their consumer base to do. How do you figure you ask?

Simple: FireWire and Bluetooth

FireWire can be used for your external drives and cameras/camcorders

Bluetooth can be used for your external keyboard and probably their biggest seller, the wireless Mighty Mouse

Which leaves you two USB ports: printer and iPod

This leaves the one simple grey area, flash drive. Simple, you won't need your iPod on your comp 24/7. And if you're like most people you prob have your music on your comp anyways, so you can probably sacrifice a few minutes charge time to swap a few files.


Personally, i LOVE the henge, I think its a key component of its sleekness.

If you factor what I said above and think about what you'll actually be using when on the move...when you're sitting in the coffee shop working/etc. all will be seen is a notebook and your wireless mouse....neat....clean....sleek....mac! (that was cheesey, I know :p )
 

mkrishnan

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How do you figure you ask?
I agree... I mean, what cable clutter do I have coming out of my iBook? One power cable. I recently started having a couple things plugged into the back of my iMac, after subsisting with nothing for a long time. You can print and put hard drives now on the Airport Extreme. You can even route music wirelessly.

And I love the hinge. Particularly that the hinge design works pretty much as well as new after four years. Which is not true of all designs by a long stretch...
 

CrzyCanuck72

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ports on the side is actually a great feature for those who use a laptop as it's meant to be used (taking it on the go, not as a desktop replacement). Ports on the side mean that cables can be connected and disconnected very easily. I've seen my friends with PC laptops struggle to plug something into the back USB port, and it's a guessing game for them, just randomly moving the plug around until they find the port. If they get tired of that, they have to close the screen or physically turn the computer around to clearly see the ports. Such a pain in the ass. I'm really glad Apple uses side ports.
 

redrum42

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Not only do I love the hinge design but it is essential for heat management.

by putting the ports on the side it opens up the single largest and least visible side of the laptop for one huge heat vent. This stops the need for any on the sides or bottom and therefore eliminates the problems of vent blocking on lots of other laptops. Combined with the heat dissipation of the entire case gives you one quiet quiet laptop.

The hinge design= quiet, sleek, lighter and smaller
downside=lower viewing angle, but really, it still tilts to about 130', i dont need any more.
 

EvryDayImShufln

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Sep 18, 2006
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Come on whos gonna tell me they couldnt pack in 1 or 2 more USBs without making the design 2 inches thick? It's absolutely trivial, they couldve put them anywhere on one of the 2 sides.

About the hinge: I actual do like this though. It makes the laptop less "tall" when opened, while most laptops are about 1 inch taller because of their hinge type and their thickness. It would be nice if it could fold down a little bit more, but oh well.
 

Sesshi

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The hinge is the least of it really - and the Vaio FZ190 (among a few others) pretty much matches the 15" MBP in all respects, with a few omissions and a few additions but is most likely better built.

It's also got 2 USB ports. And as Placeofdis said, if you're at 'home base' would it kill you to buy a USB hub?
 

Smoothie

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When open, the lid seems to partially block the air vents for the fans. I thought this was a strange design choice, especially for a computer that runs hot.
 

anirban

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Come on whos gonna tell me they couldnt pack in 1 or 2 more USBs without making the design 2 inches thick? It's absolutely trivial, they couldve put them anywhere on one of the 2 sides.
And the battery life would have gone down the toilet....

I think there are actually 4 USB ports, but two are already being used by iSight and Bluetooth device.

I would say that the design of the MBP is really well thought out, and well balanced.
 

lordjonny

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For people like me, who are replacing a desktop with this computer (probably as a pretty large number of people are doing since it's so powerful), ports on the sides are incredibly annoying and inconvenient. - The MAN
i dont understand if you want a desktop computer the imac is more powerful:S

i find ports on the side insanely useful, i dnt wanna turn my computer round to plug something in its just stupid!! also i use my macbook in bed with no problems:D

a suggestion, for 200 quid more buy both a macbook and imac and have the best of both worlds:D

thanks for ignorin me :apple::apple:
 

iToaster

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To tell the truth, there isn't enough room left in the MBP for more than it already has (see my quick sketch). The MBP could not accommodate another USB port anywhere, they'd need more room, that's why on the 17" there's another USB port. If you truthfully need two more USB ports, get an expresscard 34 thing. The hinge is awesome, and the computer looks great because of it. The fans suck air in one place on the screen and blow it out the other, so that works too.
 

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vicious7

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Examining the design more closely, the hinge/screen placement leaves no room for plugs at the back, even if the vents were moved to the sides. All things considered, this design makes sense.

Regardless, I love my MBP.