Just another blindly ignorant post.... I have the iPhone 4, use it with no case and have NEVER dropped a call, even when purposely trying to touch the area. According to you then I must be lying...
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The Media Really Did a Number on Apple/iPhone4
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Just another blindly ignorant post.... I have the iPhone 4, use it with no case and have NEVER dropped a call, even when purposely trying to touch the area. According to you then I must be lying...
1. The media didn't just create a story out of thin air. It originated with owners who noticed something wrong/strange with their device.
2. I don't think the bad press really hurt Apple. The sales figures support this.
3. No one has, or will, release a perfect product. Criticism is part of the business and folks need to have a thick skin about these sorts of things.
4. If you like the iPhone 4. Enjoy it. End of. You'll be a lot happier, believe me. DON'T make it your goal to prove it's flawless and above criticism. See #3 for reasons why. Endless debate about whether or not the phone is 'defective' will only result in you feeling depressed and, contrary to popular belief, NOT result in a change to the hardware.
5. Look forward to the iPhone 5. You can bet it'll have all of the features of the 4, minus any 'antenna issues'. T-minus 11 months and counting.
2. I don't think the bad press really hurt Apple. The sales figures support this.
3. No one has, or will, release a perfect product. Criticism is part of the business and folks need to have a thick skin about these sorts of things.
4. If you like the iPhone 4. Enjoy it. End of. You'll be a lot happier, believe me. DON'T make it your goal to prove it's flawless and above criticism. See #3 for reasons why. Endless debate about whether or not the phone is 'defective' will only result in you feeling depressed and, contrary to popular belief, NOT result in a change to the hardware.
5. Look forward to the iPhone 5. You can bet it'll have all of the features of the 4, minus any 'antenna issues'. T-minus 11 months and counting.
I have to say, the antenna issue is a problem. Case and point, my phone. I can prove it by going into the speedtest app and holding my finger over the phone for about 10 seconds, then let the app run and it comes up with 0 download and 0 upload but somehow still shows I have one bar. I let go and wait a little bit then i have ~2MB download and ~1.4MB upload. It's weird though with the bars. I really never have more than 2-3 but it jumps to 4 and back to one a lot when I move around my house. It is a big deal and the media hyped it up so much because Apple is so big and powerful and think they can do no wrong. People who downplay the issue just don't have the problem. But if you do have it, it's a big problem in my opinion. It sucks I live in a place where the closest apple store is 2 hours away from me so if I do want to go replace it, I have to pay a 4th of the phone's price just for gas lol. I also have a case around my phone and I still get the issues as well.
I ended up with an iphone anyway but I am quite glad that the media brought it to my attention from which I could then go on to do my own research and arrive at my own conclusion. The only reason anybody should be upset is if they were so ignorant as to believe entirely in what was reported and missed out on being an early adopter.
I like my iPhone 4 quite a bit and use it all day long. It is an amazing Internet device but the phone sucks. On the San Francisco area I drop calls every single day multiple times. Just sharing because I don't believe people when they say they have never dropped a call. You must live by a cell tower and never move.
Or maybe your phone networks suck. I am currently living in Finland where the operators actually know how to build networks and encourage data usage at very reasonable rates. I pay 9.90 for unlimited data (2 card. One for the iPhone and iPad) per month with 7.2 Mbps. I move all the time and do not live near a basestation (actual term as opposed to cell tower). The problem is AT&T.
heh...pot, meet kettle.
You are certainly an excitable individual.
The phone, (when not enclosed in a bumper or case and held by a human not wearing gloves who is trying to make a phone call), loses reception.
Do you feel this is engineering success ?
Every phone on the market exhibits the same behavior. The only difference in any of them is where you bad spot on the phone is.
So your saying there has never been an engineering success in mobile phones?
Don't be pedantic. If you want to say the spot where you can't touch on the iPhone4 is insanely stupid, you have a valid point.
Doesn't SF have notoriously bad coverage with AT&T? I think that the antenna problems definitely stand out more if you live somewhere with bad coverage.
Not everyone who is claiming they haven't had an issue with the antenna is lying, and to claim otherwise is just ignorant.
Media didn't do anything to Apple.
Apple did "it" to Apple.
Corporations, like people, can either deflect blame or accept responsibility for their short-comings. I have no use for companies or people who won't own their mistakes -- the Enrons & Lohans of the world.
Apple did "it" to Apple.
Corporations, like people, can either deflect blame or accept responsibility for their short-comings. I have no use for companies or people who won't own their mistakes -- the Enrons & Lohans of the world.
Actually it's weird. Among friends, family and friends family there is more interest in the iPhone 4 than any previous iPhone model. My girlfriends family is having mom, dad and two sisters buying one and actually calling apple stores everyday looking for stock. Mom and dad have never owned a smartphone before. Sisters had some of the lower-class android phones (dare I say, dumb phone?) It's pretty crazy to be honest. So you may be right about the perception but the old adage is also, any publicity is good publicity. I think the iPhone 4 will sell more than all previous iPhone combined.
I'll agree with that.
Their coverage is terrible here in the UK, no wonder I get the antenna issue.
Personally, I don't know a single person around me that is more of an Apple fan than I am. And even I'm not going to take the plunge on the iPhone 4. I've had every generation of the iPhone... even paying unsubsidized price on the 2G and 3GS.
I never had to avoid touching any specific spots on the 2g, 3g, or 3gs. They also did not have to have a case. I've told my story before, so don't bombard me about not owning one. My brother, who lives in the same house, owns one.
It is my opinion that the new features on the iPhone 4 are not ground breaking enough for me to ignore an obvious engineering mistake. Some of you will yell/scream/argue all day long that the iPhone 4 does not have an engineering defect or flaw... but come back and preach that again next year when the iPhone 5 doesn't exhibit the same behavior and we'll see who's the sheep.
I never had to avoid touching any specific spots on the 2g, 3g, or 3gs. They also did not have to have a case. I've told my story before, so don't bombard me about not owning one. My brother, who lives in the same house, owns one.
It is my opinion that the new features on the iPhone 4 are not ground breaking enough for me to ignore an obvious engineering mistake. Some of you will yell/scream/argue all day long that the iPhone 4 does not have an engineering defect or flaw... but come back and preach that again next year when the iPhone 5 doesn't exhibit the same behavior and we'll see who's the sheep.
From what I can see in this thread and what I have seen on many websites over the internet is that yes there is a problem with the antenna positioning on the iPhone 4, but equally the media has blown this out of proportion.
I myself haven't received my iPhone yet so, but I did have an in depth conversation with a mate the other day who has had his for a while now. He's in the navy so he travels quite a bit and he basically said that if you are in an area with a good reception then it works perfectly as it should, but if you are in an area with bad reception you get bad reception and it sometimes plays up. He also commented that it was the best phone he's ever had, which sold me in to ordering mine.
The problem itself isn't just the phone, it's the reception of the network as well. Here in the UK network reception isn't a major issue because the phone is available on different carriers which between them cover pretty much the entire country unless you live out in the sticks or like to hike up mountains a lot. The iPhone itself does have an issue yes, because they did mistakenly not leave a big enough gap between the two different antenna and it can be bridged by a single finger. However this just in one place. Imagine if people started complaining that they couldn't hear the music as well from their Walkman phone when they put their finger over the speaker. We know theirs a gap that shouldn't be covered their and it is part of the phone design so common sense would predict we don't cover it.
The media would have Apple painted as an evil corporation that does not care for it's customers. The thing is the iPhone 4 does work the way it is meant to for the majority of people and when the complaint arose that in some areas there was a problem and some people were having issues Jobs & Co offered EVERYONE a free bumper case to solve the issue. That's EVERYONE and not just those experiencing the issue. Doesn't sound that bad on them to me. In fact it sounds like they tried to solve the problem in the best way they could as soon as they could.
I myself haven't received my iPhone yet so, but I did have an in depth conversation with a mate the other day who has had his for a while now. He's in the navy so he travels quite a bit and he basically said that if you are in an area with a good reception then it works perfectly as it should, but if you are in an area with bad reception you get bad reception and it sometimes plays up. He also commented that it was the best phone he's ever had, which sold me in to ordering mine.
The problem itself isn't just the phone, it's the reception of the network as well. Here in the UK network reception isn't a major issue because the phone is available on different carriers which between them cover pretty much the entire country unless you live out in the sticks or like to hike up mountains a lot. The iPhone itself does have an issue yes, because they did mistakenly not leave a big enough gap between the two different antenna and it can be bridged by a single finger. However this just in one place. Imagine if people started complaining that they couldn't hear the music as well from their Walkman phone when they put their finger over the speaker. We know theirs a gap that shouldn't be covered their and it is part of the phone design so common sense would predict we don't cover it.
The media would have Apple painted as an evil corporation that does not care for it's customers. The thing is the iPhone 4 does work the way it is meant to for the majority of people and when the complaint arose that in some areas there was a problem and some people were having issues Jobs & Co offered EVERYONE a free bumper case to solve the issue. That's EVERYONE and not just those experiencing the issue. Doesn't sound that bad on them to me. In fact it sounds like they tried to solve the problem in the best way they could as soon as they could.
I'm on O2 and haven't had any dropped calls from holding the phone.I'll agree with that.
Their coverage is terrible here in the UK, no wonder I get the antenna issue.
IMHO people need to keep a distinction between dropping bars and any meaningful effect (e.g. dropped calls). Sure I can go from three bars to two if I grip the phone, but is that really having a meaningful effect?
I have an iPhone 4 on O2, and my brother has an iPhone 4 on Orange.
Both of the phones show a significant drop in signal when you hold them.
It's meaningful if you have a poor signal to begin with. We can't use our iPhone 4s in places that our previous phones worked fine (I had an HTC Hero and he had a Nokia N96).
That's exactly right. Given AT&T's network alone I'd have to assume you've dropped a call on your iPhone at least once in your life. If not then you're the luckiest fanboy in the world. Like I said, I love my phone but I can admit to dropping calls when it's naked.
No, everyone has to like it, admire me for owning one, and admit that Apple > Google because I don't own stock in Apple and have no financial incentive for them being successful as a company. Wait, what?
Why do you say this is "fact". Can you give a link proving this? And don't say Steve Jobs said only 0.5% of owners called Apple Care. People calling Apple Care does not equal people actually having the problem. In fact, if such a minuscule percentage of owners are having the problem, why is Apple giving away a $30 case to every iP4 owner? Just because they're nice guys? Their shareholders say "no".