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With rumors swirling about the return of a 12” MacBook (likely with the M3 generation), I thought I’d take a crack at working out what that could look like in greater detail. All the following assumptions are based on design similarity to the just launched 13.6” MacBook Air, as I think this is the most likely scenario.

Screen Size & Resolution
We already know the minimum width for a 12” MacBook, as the previous design was already as compact as possible while still accomodating a full-size keyboard. If we assume the same bezel width as the new Air to find the physical width of the display, then make a 16:10 aspect ratio, assume 224ppi (like the Air) and add 64px for the notch, the result is a 12.5” display with a resolution of 2352x1534. Any bigger seems unlikely as the gap to the Air is already just 1.1”.

Weight
The last 12” MacBook weighed 2.0 pounds. Assuming identical thickness and density to the new Air results in a weight of 2.3 pounds. This methodology isn’t completely accurate though, as the internal component that shrinks the most is the densest component: the battery. Therefore, I would guess 2.2 pounds. This is a little heavier than the old 12”, but to lose more weight is to lose more battery. Having said that, a more power efficient 3nm M3 might make downsizing to 2.0 pounds more palatable.

Performance
Seeing as we have 11” iPads that run the M1 well enough, I can’t see a 3nm M3 having meaningful thermal constraints in this form factor. I would expect all the same configuration options as the 13.6” Air and largely identical real-world performance, maybe slightly quicker to throttle on sustained workloads.

Price and Positioning
The above specs would make it in essence just a smaller Air, therefore it would make sense to price it slightly below. As the screen size difference is only an inch, I would guess it is only $100 cheaper for the same specs, rather than the $200 difference between the 14” and 16” Pros. The old 12” MacBook never dropped below $1,299 because Intel charged an arm and a leg for the Y-Series chips, and the terraced battery to fit the tapered design was also very costly. Many of the components here would be shared with the Air, with the major differences being display and battery (in both cases, smaller is usually cheaper).

Naming
“MacBook” could make sense if it becomes the new entry point of the lineup, but creates a weird situation (again) where its larger, heavier sibling is called “Air”. “MacBook mini” would mirror the relationship between the iPad mini and the iPad Air, but it could imply that it is weaker or less capable. Currently I am leaning towards it being lumped into the MacBook Air family. This is because I suspect the also rumoured 15” model will have some key differences that make it more deserving of its own moniker, either just “MacBook” or something new (eg. Studio?), as I believe it will effectively replace the 13” Pro as the “semi-pro” option, maintaining differentiators like an unbinned GPU as standard, active cooling, upward-firing speakers, etc.
 
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I was personally hoping the new air would be lights and possibly a smaller version but meh , guess I’ll wait till/if they release another 12” mac
 
I'd love to see a new 12" MacBook. I loved the original machine even with its compromised design and have a long history of small Macs going back to the 12" PowerBook G4. And who doesn't miss the 11" MacBook Air?

If we're going back to a few options on the non-Pro lineup, I'd expect the MacBook Air to be available in 12", 13" and 15" sizes.

I do think it will just look like a smaller Air, so will be interesting to see its footprint, but given the benefits of the M chips, we could finally have a much smaller laptop without much compromise.

Going back ever further my mind was blown when the first Toshiba Libretto showed-up back in 1996 or so.
 
When the 12" MacBook rumor surfaced recently & also that it might be for a pro model, shades of the 12" PowerBook G4 came to mind. That was a road warrior laptop for a lot of folks, predating the 12" MacBook.

MacBook-12-inch-retina-vs-PowerBook-12-inch-color.jpg

If the rumor about it going into a pro model are true, it could replace the 13" MacBook Pro M2.

MacBook Air
13.6" & 15.2"

MacBook Pro
12.5", 14.2", 16.2"
 
When the 12" MacBook rumor surfaced recently & also that it might be for a pro model, shades of the 12" PowerBook G4 came to mind. That was a road warrior laptop for a lot of folks, predating the 12" MacBook.

If the rumor about it going into a pro model are true, it could replace the 13" MacBook Pro M2.

MacBook Air
13.6" & 15.2"

MacBook Pro
12.5", 14.2", 16.2"
I don’t see it being a Pro model for both sales and engineering reasons. While I’m sure there are some people who would be all over a super powerful compact MacBook, I would imagine it’s a pretty small niche. There is a trend towards larger displays in many categories: phones, tablets and with the 15.2” Air all but confirmed, laptops too. Also, unless the 3nm Pro chip is dramatically more power efficient, it will suck for thermals and battery life in a 12” form factor unless the thing weighs almost 3lbs, and you can forget about the Max because that is already somewhat thermally constrained in the 14”. Even if you ran a hypothetical scenario where the 3nm are *that* much better, they could just use those improvements to trim the 14” and 16” down a bit. I’d much rather a 3.2lb 14” Pro with better battery life than a 2.7lb 12” Pro.
 
Very crude mockups, but wanted to get some idea of how the estimated 12.5” size would look in practice compared to the 13.6” Air.
 

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and with the 15.2” Air all but confirmed, laptops too.
Almost confirmed? o_O Doesn't anyone else find this would defeat the purpose of the air? it started at 11"...
If there's seriously a 15" air, they're really blurring the line between the pro and the air.
It won't even be organized and as easy as Air - 13 & 15 ; Pro - 14 & 16 since they just announced the 13" pro. which itself kinda overlaps with the 14 and 16.

They're about to turn it into a mess. Not to mention, MKBHD, to name one, is recommending the air over the pro.
A 100$ difference is not really righteous. Not to mention the passive cooling is more of a plus than active cooling if you ask me

I liked Apple's starting laptop being 999. It was an excellent price point which I'm sure lured many and allowed more folks to buy it by turning it into 3 figures instead of 4.

I’d much rather a 3.2lb 14” Pro with better battery life than a 2.7lb 12” Pro.
From my experience, the airs and 12" Macbooks have had better battery life than pro models despite the larger battery
 
Umm what rumors? I do wish they'd bring it back, more or less same form factor but with reduced bezels, new keyboard, M2 or even M1 would be perfect.
 
When the 12" MacBook rumor surfaced recently & also that it might be for a pro model, shades of the 12" PowerBook G4 came to mind. That was a road warrior laptop for a lot of folks, predating the 12" MacBook.

If the rumor about it going into a pro model are true, it could replace the 13" MacBook Pro M2.

MacBook Air
13.6" & 15.2"

MacBook Pro
12.5", 14.2", 16.2"
The 12" PB was my favorite laptop, esp. since I could fix it myself and add ram to it. The sculpted keys were the best feeling ever.
 
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Mark Gurman reiterated the 12" MacBook rumor the other day on Max Tech & added he thinks it's a 12" MacBook Pro.
12", 14.2", 16.2" MBPs and 13.6" and 15.x" MB...A... (frankly I think they should just be called MacBooks but I presume "Air" has too much history to do that) seems to me like a lineup that would make a lot of sense.

I know Apple has felt differently since the 12" PB G4 was discontinued, but I don't think the casual user is really the market that wants the smallest machine.

The other question is whether Apple will change their long-held view that the biggest screen size for casual users is 13.3"-13.5"ish.
 
12", 14.2", 16.2" MBPs and 13.6" and 15.x" MB...A... (frankly I think they should just be called MacBooks but I presume "Air" has too much history to do that) seems to me like a lineup that would make a lot of sense.

I know Apple has felt differently since the 12" PB G4 was discontinued, but I don't think the casual user is really the market that wants the smallest machine.

The other question is whether Apple will change their long-held view that the biggest screen size for casual users is 13.3"-13.5"ish.
I think it would bw very weird if the 12” winds up being an mbp. I actually owned the 12” powerbook it was ok but honestly the niche that is missing is ultra ultraportable. Ideally an MBA with a higher dpi screen to compensate for smaller screen size, and ideally promotion and miniled too.

My guess is that if they made the mbp 12” it would still weigh at least as much as the air, and yet the screen would be smaller (tho prolly same amt pixels). I dunno i thinj that would be weird
 
12", 14.2", 16.2" MBPs and 13.6" and 15.x" MB...A... (frankly I think they should just be called MacBooks but I presume "Air" has too much history to do that) seems to me like a lineup that would make a lot of sense.

I know Apple has felt differently since the 12" PB G4 was discontinued, but I don't think the casual user is really the market that wants the smallest machine.

The other question is whether Apple will change their long-held view that the biggest screen size for casual users is 13.3"-13.5"ish.
The good thing about the Pro is that it includes an internal fan. That's important if you do CPU intensive work.
 
Using my ipad with the keyboard so often lately, I’d appreciate the 12” macbook also, if they re-released one, AND if they put a cellular modem in it. I don’t get why that can’t be at least an option these days for more laptops in general and macbooks in particular?
Anyway, yeah, the 12” macbook was pretty nice package, sleek, portable, lightweight, etc. Would be cool to see it come back, for now I guess the newest 13.6” (?) macbook air at 2.8 lbs is as close as we can get.
 
I would love a Pink version to go with my Pink iPad mini and iPhone 13 mini and Pink Stratocaster.
 
A 12" MBP doesn't make too much sense to me. With the MBA increasing in price to $1200 now I do believe there is a spot in the lineup for a sub $1K laptop. That is currently being filled by the M1 MBA, but I could see them releasing a 12" Macbook with M1 (or maybe M2 by that time) to fill that hole. Or maybe they will just keep the M1 MBA and eventually update it as well. I think Apple should have just named the new M2 MBA the MacBook.
 
A 12" MBP doesn't make too much sense to me. With the MBA increasing in price to $1200 now I do believe there is a spot in the lineup for a sub $1K laptop. That is currently being filled by the M1 MBA, but I could see them releasing a 12" Macbook with M1 (or maybe M2 by that time) to fill that hole. Or maybe they will just keep the M1 MBA and eventually update it as well. I think Apple should have just named the new M2 MBA the MacBook.

If the 12" is in fact an MBP, it would be other way around. They will drop the M2 MBA price to 999, then introduce the new 12" (actually likely something like 12.9" or close to it, if you take the same 12" rMB footprint and then extrapolate to the same bezels of the M2 MBA) a tier higher. That will be something like 1299, to replace the current 13" MBP's price point, filling the gap between the 13" MBA and 14" MBP. And if there is a 15" MBA, then the new pricing would likely be:

  • 13.6" MBA - $999
  • 12.9" MBP - $1299
  • 15.4" MBA/MB - $1699
  • 14.2" MBP - $1999
Or the other way around

  • 13.6" MBA - $999
  • 15.4" MBA - $1299
  • 12.9" MBP - $1699
  • 14.2" MBP - $1999
That would largely depend on the feature sets of the 15 and 12 inches, especially the display panel used on each. If the display is still IPS on the 12", then it would just be a drop-in replacement for the 13" MBP. If that uses a mini-LED pro-motion one, then it would basically be a 14" MBP-lite.
 
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