The new HTC ONE (M7)

jrswizzle

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Not because of better software optimization...

It's because iOS is such a dumb mobile OS that it's got much more hardware power than it needs. There's no real multitasking, no widgets, no background processes, etc.

It's like having a quad core CPU on the game boy..............
Lol what a load of crap.....

Oh well. Thanks for giving me faith the Fandroid community is indeed as idiotically blunt as ever....
 

matttye

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Thew new HTC ONE(M7)

Not because of better software optimization...

It's because iOS is such a dumb mobile OS that it's got much more hardware power than it needs. There's no real multitasking, no widgets, no background processes, etc.

It's like having a quad core CPU on the game boy..............
Most users won't notice a difference between multitasking on iOS and Android other than that battery life won't take a big hit on iOS. Push notifications, while limited, are a much more elegant and power friendly way of allowing apps to notify events when they're not running.

Apps can continue to download stuff in the background on iOS (for ten minutes) using the task completion app. Apps like Spotify get around this by asking you to open the app again after ten minutes then close it again. A little annoying but rather that than awful battery life.

Check here for the 7 APIs that cover a lot of use cases:

http://charlesesmith.net/post/11244398163/ios-multitasking

iOS was always designed with the intention of being an OS that required as little user intervention as possible. Rather than allow apps to run amok in the background killing the battery, background tasks are limited so the user shouldn't have to figure out which app is keeping the phone awake.

Does that make it dumb? In a way maybe. iOS is supposed to be something that anybody can pick up and use. Not everyone has time or know-how to worry about what's killing their battery and uninstalling apps one by one to find the culprit, or dealing with a file system, etc.
 

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Isn't that... small-ish? That's a little alarming for a phone pushing 460PPI and 1080i, no?

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HTC... still being HTC...?

After the One X, I just have very little faith in their ability to 1) provide good battery life, and 2) update the OS.
Amen

Big let down and I know the s4 will come with at least 2500mah

Don't know why HTc continues to do this combined with the closed battery.
 

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Amen

Big let down and I know the s4 will come with at least 2500mah

Don't know why HTc continues to do this combined with the closed battery.
You honestly think the difference between 2300mah and 2500mah is that big? :confused::rolleyes:


Haters got to hate I guess... and utterly flawed even on a logical basis..

Even if Samsung came out with a 2500mah, the fact it's cpu is reportedly clocked at 200mhz more than the HTC One (1.93 v 1.7) then the small extra 200mah you credit the samsung device having 'at least' would no equate to any vast difference in battery life given the extra cpu horsepower.
 

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I love my iPhone, but if I ever wanted an android, it would be the HTC One. It kind of makes me mad that samsung gets away with that plastic crap that use for their phones.
 

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Lol what a load of crap.....

Oh well. Thanks for giving me faith the Fandroid community is indeed as idiotically blunt as ever....
It never ever ceases to amaze me either. Most Android fanboys are teens who really haven't had time to experience pretty much anything in the world.

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Wow... way better than iPhone 5. :(
So a phone that JUST now got announced is better than a phone that's been out for 6 or 7 months? Say it ain't so.
 

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Wow... way better than iPhone 5. :(
So you've used one already? How did you get your hands on it? Cuz I don't know how anyone could make that statement without using one first.

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I love my iPhone, but if I ever wanted an android, it would be the HTC One. It kind of makes me mad that samsung gets away with that plastic crap that use for their phones.
Yeah when the S4 comes out this phone will be forgotten, sadly. Don't think HTC can compare with Samsung in the marketing department. Samsung spent $12B on marketing last year, no doubt a lot of that going towards the Galaxy product line.
 

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So a phone that JUST now got announced is better than a phone that's been out for 6 or 7 months? Say it ain't so.
So you've used one already? How did you get your hands on it? Cuz I don't know how anyone could make that statement without using one first.
Just saw a hands-on review of that device. The unibody aluminium design of this new HTC One is what I was hoping a long time ago for the iPhone. The screen size is awesome (as like the SIII) compared to iPhone 5. The OS offers WAY more customisations compared to iOS. Don't get me wrong, I'm a happy Apple-user inside the OS X-iOS ecosystem... But in the case of smartphones, Apple is way behind of its competitors, with both the hardware and software. And I'm not referring just to the HTC.
 

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People who say this doesn't resemble an iPhone 5 are fooling themselves. Those chamfered edges, those corners, the strips and two tones, and the color choices and aluminum bodies are more than a little reminiscent of the iPhone 5. That being said, this is the best looking Android handset I've seen, and it still has its own distinct, beautiful look. Maybe better than the 5.
Not with that line going into the camera, the logo on the front or the Beats branding on the back.
 

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Engadget review says xperia z battery life leaves some to be desired.

I fear 2300mah is not enough in the HTC one.... And with HTC's history I think that concern is justified.
 

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Lol what a load of crap.....

Oh well. Thanks for giving me faith the Fandroid community is indeed as idiotically blunt as ever....
I think he's right. The power of the iPhone 5 is pretty much overkill, as the OS isn't really demanding enough to warrant that sort of power. For example, Android devices benefit from having powerful guts because it has an ostensible impact on multitasking. iOS on the other hand doesn't really benefit from having a cutting edge processor because the OS isn't really doing anything that needs it. While an iPhone 4 is slower than the iPhone 5, it's still quite serviceable. On the other hand, an OG Evo would just flat out suck to use right now. That's the difference.
 

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I think he's right. The power of the iPhone 5 is pretty much overkill, as the OS isn't really demanding enough to warrant that sort of power. For example, Android devices benefit from having powerful guts because it has an ostensible impact on multitasking. iOS on the other hand doesn't really benefit from having a cutting edge processor because the OS isn't really doing anything that needs it. While an iPhone 4 is slower than the iPhone 5, it's still quite serviceable. On the other hand, an OG Evo would just flat out suck to use right now. That's the difference.
All that does for me is verify I'm correct about each company's philosophy. The part of his post I took exception with was the "quad core on a game boy"....that's incredibly ignorant.

The fact is there are companies that run solely off of iOS devices, enterprise is moving increasingly toward iOS (though BB10 make take that back), we have documentaries (nominated for prestigious awards) being shot on an iPhone....

The simple fact, is the iPhone (and other iOS devices) are equally as capable as Android phones at doing the things users want to do with a smartphone these days.

Telling me you can't change the default browser doesn't really affect the use of the internet. I can still surf on an iPhone the same way I would on an Android (excuse the variations in rendering and such - I'm speaking specifically about the act of browsing). The only difference is I can't use the browser I prefer BY DEFAULT.....hardly a reason to call the phone "crippled" and a "game boy".

Most of the reasons Fandroids (I use this term to differentiate from those who actually have a brain and can think critically about both platforms as I try to do - though I admit I am biased toward Apple at times) say iOS devices are "stale", "behind the times" and "crippled" are simply customization issues and have absolutely nothing to do with the actual use/work you can do on the phone itself.

Maybe a bigger screen would lend itself to a better experience for some of these tasks - I'll give you that. But considering the Note has been out for 2 years, and Apple has likely been working on a 5" device for that long (provided the rumors of a release in late 2013/2014 are true), I'd hardly use the screen size as a reason the phone is "outdated". They clearly have a plan, a popular one I might add - not everyone wants the 5" screen - and while that plan/ideal of the mobile OS differs from Google/Android, that doesn't make it any less viable for those who prefer it.

Why, if you can't understand why someone likes/prefers iOS, does that make it an impossibility?
 

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Not because of better software optimization...

It's because iOS is such a dumb mobile OS that it's got much more hardware power than it needs. There's no real multitasking, no widgets, no background processes, etc.

It's like having a quad core CPU on the game boy..............
Quasar on ipad suggests tasks can be done side by side on ios and still not get any performance/battery hit.

I don't think multitasking etc is the cause of android performance issues, it is a mobile OS designed with limited embedded resources in mind after all, it's probably that dalvik virtual machine is wreaking havoc sometimes. And OEMs breaking standard android processes in the favor of their skin doesn't help the cause either.
 

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The simple fact, is the iPhone (and other iOS devices) are equally as capable as Android phones at doing the things users want to do with a smartphone these days.

Telling me you can't change the default browser doesn't really affect the use of the internet. I can still surf on an iPhone the same way I would on an Android (excuse the variations in rendering and such - I'm speaking specifically about the act of browsing). The only difference is I can't use the browser I prefer BY DEFAULT.....
I have to disagree to a point here. The culmination of iOS/iPhone shortcomings is what make it a less capable device in my opinion. Is not being able to select your default browser a deal breaker? Not necessarily. Neither is having handicapped bluetooth, a keyboard you can't change, no drag and drop, small screen, etc.. The thing is, when you combine the shortcomings, it results in it being less capable. Sure it does a lot of the same things, but there are several things that it does not do. Over the last year or so, my smartphone expectation level has increased even more, and the iPhone seems even more antiquated to me. For example, when I wake up in the morning, I expect my phone to let me know the weather and my commute time to work as soon as I turn it on. My Nexus does this, without me doing anything. I simply turn the screen on, and there it is. If I were using an iPhone, I'd have to turn the screen on, unlock the phone, check the weather forecast, then go to maps, check the traffic, and calculate a route. With my Nexus, it already knows I need this info, and has it ready for me already on my lock screen. When my alarm goes off in the morning, it's already on the screen as soon as I open my eyes. I use this example to point out a difference in capability. Will everyone have this same requirement as me? Of course not. This is just one personal reason I find the iPhone less capable.



Maybe a bigger screen would lend itself to a better experience for some of these tasks - I'll give you that. But considering the Note has been out for 2 years, and Apple has likely been working on a 5" device for that long (provided the rumors of a release in late 2013/2014 are true), I'd hardly use the screen size as a reason the phone is "outdated". They clearly have a plan, a popular one I might add - not everyone wants the 5" screen - and while that plan/ideal of the mobile OS differs from Google/Android, that doesn't make it any less viable for those who prefer it.
Regardless of what their plan is, in 2013 a 4" screen in a high-end smartphone is definitely antiquated. I don't think there's any way around that. Bare minimum, it should be available in two sizes if they are so hell bent on having a 4" display. With me for example, the screen size alone is enough of a reason it isn't an option.
 
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sentinelsx

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Wow everyone is focused on battery size or build or "rah rah it looks like xxxxx".

How about that UGLY blinkfeed crap? I mean why not provide a simply home screen and instead maker sense somewhat lighter? Can't the same effect be achieved by using all the widgets in conjunction?

Even so, with my experience in widgets on the S3, i find all those "feeds" become useless after a while because i would always go into flipboard app or another RSS app to read it in full anyways. However, i would like a widget that can open pages INSIDE the widger WITHOUT launching the app and i can read everything in the widget, does blinkfeed even do that? if not, then it is useless to me.

And while long home press may not be a deal breaker to some, it was soooooooooooooooooooooooo annoying to use on the S3. I would rather take a dedicated button which makes the workflow smoother, less clunky. On my iPhone it is as easy as a simply swipe up (jailbroken and auxo) because pressing home button was so clunky (thank god for jailbreak). I prefer the old One series dedicated multitasking or the one Nexus line employs, simple, elegant, and makes switching effortless.
 

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All that does for me is verify I'm correct about each company's philosophy. The part of his post I took exception with was the "quad core on a game boy"....that's incredibly ignorant.

The fact is there are companies that run solely off of iOS devices, enterprise is moving increasingly toward iOS (though BB10 make take that back), we have documentaries (nominated for prestigious awards) being shot on an iPhone....

The simple fact, is the iPhone (and other iOS devices) are equally as capable as Android phones at doing the things users want to do with a smartphone these days.

Telling me you can't change the default browser doesn't really affect the use of the internet. I can still surf on an iPhone the same way I would on an Android (excuse the variations in rendering and such - I'm speaking specifically about the act of browsing). The only difference is I can't use the browser I prefer BY DEFAULT.....hardly a reason to call the phone "crippled" and a "game boy".

Most of the reasons Fandroids (I use this term to differentiate from those who actually have a brain and can think critically about both platforms as I try to do - though I admit I am biased toward Apple at times) say iOS devices are "stale", "behind the times" and "crippled" are simply customization issues and have absolutely nothing to do with the actual use/work you can do on the phone itself.

Maybe a bigger screen would lend itself to a better experience for some of these tasks - I'll give you that. But considering the Note has been out for 2 years, and Apple has likely been working on a 5" device for that long (provided the rumors of a release in late 2013/2014 are true), I'd hardly use the screen size as a reason the phone is "outdated". They clearly have a plan, a popular one I might add - not everyone wants the 5" screen - and while that plan/ideal of the mobile OS differs from Google/Android, that doesn't make it any less viable for those who prefer it.

Why, if you can't understand why someone likes/prefers iOS, does that make it an impossibility?
Seriously you should get a job with Apple so you could sit on your a$$ and watch the phone world go right by you. Just produce the same old ***** year after year instead of doing something new and creative. The iOS has looked exactly the same for what 5 years? Seems like Apples developers are all just ridding the wave to retirement. I suppose that's why Apple fired a few people out with the old in with the new. I couldn't take the iPhone for 6 months so you can preach it all you want but it doesn't do HALF of what Android phones can do. iOS is great if you just want a screen of icons in your face works perfect for my mom she loves it. BTW nice camera app Apple try setting another one as default so you can use it from the lock screen. Ohhh look it takes picture thats awesome..
 

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I have to disagree to a point here. The culmination of iOS/iPhone shortcomings is what make it a less capable device in my opinion. Is not being able to select your default browser a deal breaker? Not necessarily. Neither is having handicapped bluetooth, a keyboard you can't change, no drag and drop, small screen, etc.. The thing is, when you combine the shortcomings, it results in it being less capable. Sure it does a lot of the same things, but there are several things that it does not do. Over the last year or so, my smartphone expectation level has increased even more, and the iPhone seems even more antiquated to me. For example, when I wake up in the morning, I expect my phone to let me know the weather and my commute time to work as soon as I turn it on. My Nexus does this, without me doing anything. I simply turn the screen on, and there it is. If I were using an iPhone, I'd have to turn the screen on, unlock the phone, check the weather forecast, then go to maps and check the traffic. With my Nexus, it already knows I need this info, and has it ready for me already on my lock screen. I use this example to point out a difference in capability. Will everyone have this same requirement as me? Of course not. This is just one personal reason I find the iPhone less capable.




Regardless of what their plan is, in 2013 a 4" screen in a high-end smartphone is definitely antiquated. I don't think there's any way around that. Bare minimum, it should be available in two sizes if they are so hell bent on having a 4" display. With me for example, the screen size alone is enough of a reason it isn't an option.
Well - thank you for providing that this is you're opinion and personal use case.

While I would agree there are some things Android does more.....conveniently, than iOS, the fact is the capabilities are pretty much the same. I can check my commute and weather just as you can - and while I may not have the option (I know that's the keyword - option) to put these things on my home or lock screen, that doesn't negate the fact I can do them.

And that's all fine! As I've said on quite a few threads now, the two philosophies of iOS and Google are (iOS) app centric and (Android) OS centric. If I were building an OS and I wanted the Apps to be the king of the phone, why would I also supply ways to bypass ever entering them? Sure, widgets can be seen as an extension of an app, but with many iOS apps its about the experience inside that app. There are some people who think and prefer this way and thus choose the iPhone - that doesn't make it antiquated.....just not best suited for your needs.

Obviously you are an Android user and it is what suits you best. My point in all of this is defining one or the other as "superior", "antiquated" or any type of comparison along these terms is ultimately silly. One should critique each platform on its own merit - not in comparison with another.....especially when the ideals behind each are overwhelmingly different.

As for the screen size thing....I'm all for Apple adding the larger size - and definitely think they will at the latest next year - meaning its likely been in production since 2011....again, this reactionary idea is blown out of proportion and I still don't see a larger screen as an "advancement" - simply as a preference. And I agree, it makes no sense for Apple not to offer that preference, much like it offers consumers two color choices.

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Seriously you should get a job with Apple so you could sit on your a$$ and watch the phone world go right by you. Just produce the same old ***** year after year instead of doing something new and creative. The iOS has looked exactly the same for what 5 years? Seems like Apples developers are all just ridding the wave to retirement. I suppose that's why Apple fired a few people out with the old in with the new. I couldn't take the iPhone for 6 months so you can preach it all you want but it doesn't do HALF of what Android phones can do. iOS is great if you just want a screen of icons in your face works perfect for my mom she loves it. BTW nice camera app Apple try setting another one as default so you can use it from the lock screen. Ohhh look it takes picture thats awesome..
Lol - these are my favorite Fandroid posts.....you're really doing your Android community a great service by spewing this drivel....

I'd suggest reading some of my other posts. I use a Nexus 4 as my daily phone - though I still have my iPhone 5 for work and am heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem.

Unlike you, however I can think critically and logically about each platform and see the merits of both. And if you want an example of an intelligent Android fan - check out the guy above me. We have some great back-and-forth on various threads about Android and Apple. I enjoy his posts because they are thought out and aren't full of misplaced anger.

Anyways, enjoy your droid-rage! ;)
 

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Well - thank you for providing that this is you're opinion and personal use case.

While I would agree there are some things Android does more.....conveniently, than iOS, the fact is the capabilities are pretty much the same. I can check my commute and weather just as you can - and while I may not have the option (I know that's the keyword - option) to put these things on my home or lock screen, that doesn't negate the fact I can do them.

And that's all fine! As I've said on quite a few threads now, the two philosophies of iOS and Google are (iOS) app centric and (Android) OS centric. If I were building an OS and I wanted the Apps to be the king of the phone, why would I also supply ways to bypass ever entering them? Sure, widgets can be seen as an extension of an app, but with many iOS apps its about the experience inside that app. There are some people who think and prefer this way and thus choose the iPhone - that doesn't make it antiquated.....just not best suited for your needs.

Obviously you are an Android user and it is what suits you best. My point in all of this is defining one or the other as "superior", "antiquated" or any type of comparison along these terms is ultimately silly. One should critique each platform on its own merit - not in comparison with another.....especially when the ideals behind each are overwhelmingly different.

As for the screen size thing....I'm all for Apple adding the larger size - and definitely think they will at the latest next year - meaning its likely been in production since 2011....again, this reactionary idea is blown out of proportion and I still don't see a larger screen as an "advancement" - simply as a preference. And I agree, it makes no sense for Apple not to offer that preference, much like it offers consumers two color choices.

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Lol - these are my favorite Fandroid posts.....you're really doing your Android community a great service by spewing this drivel....

I'd suggest reading some of my other posts. I use a Nexus 4 as my daily phone - though I still have my iPhone 5 for work and am heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem.

Unlike you, however I can think critically and logically about each platform and see the merits of both.

Anyways, enjoy your droid-rage! ;)
No what I say is the truth and not some candy coded crap. I have the iPhone 5 right here too.. I love my Macbook and my iMac but the iOS 6 is a looser I'm sorry to say. I hope iOS 7 will actually bring something new.
 

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Engadget review says xperia z battery life leaves some to be desired.

I fear 2300mah is not enough in the HTC one.... And with HTC's history I think that concern is justified.
When I first glanced at your post and started reading the Engadget review, I believed your concern was grounded.

However, look at the battery comparison with the Droid DNA (same processor, gpu) 5" 1080P display. The Droid DNA's battery is 2020 mAh as opposed to the 2330 mAh of the Xperia Z. For others who don't wish to plough through the Engadget review, the Xperia Z in the rundown test lasted 5:35 hours and the Droid DNA 6:38.

Transpose this with the HTC One, which is using the Snapdragon 600 chipset and the Krait 300 cores, which is supposed to be more power efficient and that coupled with a larger battery of 2300 mAh (compared to the Droid DNA).

It would *appear* from the above that the HTC One should have reasonably increased battery life compared to the Xperia Z.
 

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No what I say is the truth and not some candy coded crap. I have the iPhone 5 right here too.. I love my Macbook and my iMac but the iOS 6 is a looser I'm sorry to say. I hope iOS 7 will actually bring something new.
You should just switch to an Android phone then. You'd likely be much more satisfied and there are plenty of ways to keep most of the great iOS integration.

You say what you say because you align with Android's philosophy. Which is great! However, aligning with one ideal doesn't automatically make the other invalid or antiquated.

I prefer iOS and find I can do most everything on my iPhone 5 that I can on my Nexus 4. Sure, there is all the customization of the Nexus - which is nice and fun.....but ultimately doesn't add or detract from the phone's usefulness. And the N4's screen is probably the max size I'd be willing to use. Something inbetween the iP5 and N4 would be ideal for me, but I still like how the iP5 fits in my hand.

Say what you want about me - in denial, candy coating it, whatever. I enjoy both platforms - though I lean toward iOS. It sounds like you should make the switch and enjoy Android versus being a grumpy @$$ with a phone that doesn't live up to your lofty standards.
 

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This is one gorgeous looking phone and the perfect size. With each new phone other companies come out with I think "well, there's a new design that Apple can't use". This new HTC looks exactly like what you'd expect Apple to come up with for a larger iPhone. (circular logic, I know, since the HTC and BB phones looks a bit similar to the iPhone 5).

Apple's 2 year design cycle sets the stage for this perfectly.
 

zone23

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You should just switch to an Android phone then. You'd likely be much more satisfied and there are plenty of ways to keep most of the great iOS integration.

You say what you say because you align with Android's philosophy. Which is great! However, aligning with one ideal doesn't automatically make the other invalid or antiquated.

I prefer iOS and find I can do most everything on my iPhone 5 that I can on my Nexus 4. Sure, there is all the customization of the Nexus - which is nice and fun.....but ultimately doesn't add or detract from the phone's usefulness. And the N4's screen is probably the max size I'd be willing to use. Something inbetween the iP5 and N4 would be ideal for me, but I still like how the iP5 fits in my hand.

Say what you want about me - in denial, candy coating it, whatever. I enjoy both platforms - though I lean toward iOS. It sounds like you should make the switch and enjoy Android versus being a grumpy @$$ with a phone that doesn't live up to your lofty standards.
I honestly loved the iPhone 5 hardware. Device wise its fantastic. But when I tried to do things like make a song a ringtone just to find out I need iTunes and 17 steps I was like what? iOS is a rock its fast, its stable, and the apps look fantastic. Battery life? Unbelievable. The Apple maps thing I thought was completely over blown. Google maps has plenty of its own issues and I never drove into a ravine. Sorry if I miss read your post. I want to love the iPhone and for the first 4 months it was true love. Then it hit me. Now its the Droid DNA the M7s little brother.
 

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Engadget review says xperia z battery life leaves some to be desired.

I fear 2300mah is not enough in the HTC one.... And with HTC's history I think that concern is justified.
When they were demonstrating Sense 5.0, it looked like there was some new battery saver mode on. Not sure if that'll help much or not.