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The nokia phones are very expensive...some are close to $1000.

Apple wii get us video recording one day...and MMS and copy and past. That is all people really want.

But everything else on teh Iphone 3G is 100 times beter than any other phone

Show me a 3G phone that has better battery life than the iphone 3g?

Also if you live in teh country you will note get ATT 3g...suck it up and move back to the city or get a sprint instinct...Sprint alwasy had the better 3G network. Once reason why the first Iphone was not 3g was becasue ATT had no 3G network then. They barly have one now...but it will be much bigger in the next few months because they now have so many customers buying the iphone 3g..they are makign a killing and can now afford to upgrade the rest of the network....hopefully

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/

Any of the HTC 3G Windows Mobiles - there you go, far better battery life than the iPhone - Thing is - it's actually push that is using up most people's battery time - exchange and mobile me really will mean far far less battery time for most users once they start to use those options.
 
What's the big deal with copy and paste? I haven't owned a smart phone/iphone before so maybe I'm missing something here. On the phones that I have had I never felt the need for it. If there is a new program on the iphone that one would want copy/paste, could that be included in the software or some update?
 
What's the big deal with copy and paste? I haven't owned a smart phone/iphone before so maybe I'm missing something here. On the phones that I have had I never felt the need for it. If there is a new program on the iphone that one would want copy/paste, could that be included in the software or some update?

I could've used it yesterday when I sent an email that bounced because I made a typo in the domain name.

Not wanting to just forward the bounced email (because of the embarassment of the domain name typo, that led to an interesting domain name to say the least), I ended up waiting until I got home so I could cut and paste the original text of the email and send it again. This time to the correct domain name.

Cut and paste on the iPhone would be a nice thing to have.
 
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iPhone 3G BIGGEST problems?
  1. Horrible battery life compared to the previous gen.
  2. You can NOT swap out the battery when the battery being used dies.

AT&T's BIGGEST problem?
  1. There are not a lot of locations that have a 3G network.
  2. Plans are just too expensive for what you (don't) get.


Man, that took forever to edit and post.


Thank you liberal media but the next time I read the NYT will be sooner than expected. I have 0 problems with mine, shank you
 
The nokia phones are very expensive...some are close to $1000.

Vodafone UK
Nokia N95 8GB
Free with 18-month contract at £42.50 per month
600 minutes, unlimited texts, 500MB fair-usage internet​

T-Mobile UK
Nokia N95 8GB
£109.99 with 18-month contract at £38.25 per month
1000 minutes, 500 texts, 1GB fair-usage internet​

O2 UK
Nokia N95 8GB
Free with 18-month contract at £35 per month
600 minutes, 1000 texts, with £7.50 web bolt-on (unknown fair use)​

My point - the price difference between this high-end phone and the iPhone is smaller than it was, in the UK at least, but it probably still leans towards the iPhone being more expensive - and there is a wide range of cheaper phones lacking the storage capacity and 5MP camera of the N95.

I'll continue to wait for an iPhone with video recording and a better camera - though by then I expect the competition will have caught up a bit!
 
Except that while AT&T is trying to upgrade to the 3G network, Sprint is upgrading to WiMax... already live in a few cities in the US. AT&T needs to stop playing catch-up. 3G is dead in a year.

You paint too rosy a picture. have you seen national 3G maps for Sprint and Verizon? Quite a few holes there too. Sorry, 3G data isn't everywhere yet, no matter which carrier you're with.

Consider also that Sprint has been building their CDMA network "from the ground up" since 1996, and they must STILL rely on the likes of Alltel, US Cellular and Verizon to fill in numerous dead spots. Sorry, but it's going to be years, possibly decades before WiMax comes close to the current coverage levels.

Lastly: HSPA has plenty of life left in it. WiMAX will get you to 70Mbs, but ONLY at short range, and ONLY using high gain directional antennas. That's best suited for fixed wireless applications. On a mobile device, the speed and range will drop dramatically... to about 10Mbps over a 2km range from the base station, with speed dramatically dropping beyond that.

But what about HSDPA? Well... with further optimizations, the theoretical top speed is 14.4Mbps downlink within range of the base station. Fancy that.

Sprint, as always, drank the Kool-aid a little too quickly. They NEED a high speed solution, but WiMAX isn't going to be a slam dunk.
 
At least one of our members is reporting a similar experience...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/519830/

... so at the minimum, it's quite possible that Mossberg got one like our member did.... Of course, I didn't read Mossberg's article, and I wasn't sure if he was talking about talk time or combined time.

Mossberg said he got 4.5 hours of 3G talk time.
The NYT article implies that Mossberg stated the iPhone gets 4.5 hours of battery life. As in, you unplug it at noon, it's dead at 4:30. Unless you have a 5 hour phone call to make and absolutely must make that call on the 3G network, that's simply untrue. That's what I was referring too.

And I'm sure some people do have faulty batteries, as with any new technology, a few people will get a faulty something.

Personally, I've had mine unplugged for 5 and a half hours now, with an hour of usage, and my meter's still full.
 
It's not "half the price".

This situation is very similar. The total cost of ownership is something to be viewed from the consumer's point of view. It doesn't matter what goes to Apple's pockets vs AT&T's pockets. What's important is how much is leaving the consumer's pockets. In the end, the two year cost of the new phone is greater than the two year cost of the old phone. Yes, the service is superior (so long as you live in a 3G area) and I wish they would focus on that aspect more. It's costs a bit more to own, but it's superior technology. Great, that's why I bought mine! But that's now how Apple is positioning it. The "half the price" part is the cornerstone of the marketing for this device and it's just a flat out lie.

You skipped the entire point of my "half the price" paragraph.

When you heard "half the price" did you think you'd be paying AT&T $29.99 per month instead of $59.99 per month (the minimum plans)?

I doubt it.

Did you actually think the total cost of ownership (the iPhone and the AT&T plan) was going to be half the price?

I doubt it.

I haven't seen one person who thought the total cost of ownership was going to be half the price.

Therefore, I'm going to surmise that you thought the iPhone would be half the price and the AT&T plan would stay the same. In other words, you knew that "half the price" referred to the iPhone only. Now AT&T changes their iPhone plan rates to their standard smartphone plan rates and you want to go back and say you thought the total cost of ownership was going to be half the price?

There's no lie. Apple said you would soon be able to get the phone for half the price.
 
You skipped the entire point of my "half the price" paragraph.

When you heard "half the price" did you think you'd be paying AT&T $29.99 per month instead of $59.99 per month (the minimum plans)?

I doubt it.

Did you actually think the total cost of ownership (the iPhone and the AT&T plan) was going to be half the price?

I doubt it.

I haven't seen one person who thought the total cost of ownership was going to be half the price.

Therefore, I'm going to surmise that you thought the iPhone would be half the price and the AT&T plan would stay the same. In other words, you knew that "half the price" referred to the iPhone only. Now AT&T changes their iPhone plan rates to their standard smartphone plan rates and you want to go back and say you thought the total cost of ownership was going to be half the price?

There's no lie. Apple said you would soon be able to get the phone for half the price.


You've missed a very critical component to the equation. The two are now married together in a contract. It's not half the cost when the price you pay on day one is subsidized. Therefore you cannot separate out the increased cost of the service as not part of the "deal" that is half the price. In a strict sense, half the price would apply if all other things remain constant. However, I knew it would be subsidized (we all did as we were primed with media leaks, etc.) but dropping one part of a legally linked deal (the price of the phone), while raising another part of that same legal obligation (the service) cannot be viewed as "half the price" to anyone outside of the slowest thinkers (or mathematically challenged) in the world.
 
Oh, and at the time of first announcements I also expected I would be getting a dock as well. That would now be $58 between a dock and a dock adapter. That negates more than 25% of the day one savings in and of itself.
 
That fact is true, know your facts

"according to The Journal reviewer, Walter S. Mossberg, the new iPhone battery lasts only about four and a half hours before it needs a new charge"

This is completely untrue, and in fact, libelous.

Of course, I stopped expecting the NYT to print facts quite a while ago.
 
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