Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The obligatory 10.4.8 ****ed my Mac thread...
- Thread starter Gee
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I hate to be the lone voice of dissention in this room full of angry ".8'ers"... BUT...
There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.
I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.
SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.
I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.
Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.
There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.
I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.
SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.
I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.
Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.
clintob said:
Point well taken. I don't install any weird hacks or anything like that on my computer(s) for that explicit purpose. What I do know is that prior to .8, everything was working perfectly. Then I went and added .8 and now my internet connection is for crap. No internet radio, no iTunes downloads, spotty downloads, and I don't know how to fix it. The problem has even persisted through both a system re-install back to Tiger.4 and a complete resetting of my wireless network. The other computer in the house is my old iMac G5 running Panther.9 and it's not affected, so I can only conclude that the .8 update is the culprit.
Are you using Airport Express or Extreme? I have had similar issues with dropoffs on AP Express networks, and each was fixed through a couple of simple steps - basically it amounted to doing a hard restart on the AEX, trashing the old network, clearing out the preferred networks in the Airport Admin, and then creating a new WEP network. I assume you tried something similar, since you said you reset your network, but that first part (the hard refresh for your router) can sometimes be a big help. That, and of course any firmware updates for the unit.
Hope that helps! Apple tech support is hit or miss with networking issues, but if you call back a few times you'll eventually got someone who knows their stuff and can walk you through it.
Hope that helps! Apple tech support is hit or miss with networking issues, but if you call back a few times you'll eventually got someone who knows their stuff and can walk you through it.
clintob said:
It's a Linksys, and it's worked flawlessly up until this point. One of my earlier posts in this thread outlines what's going on with it. And yes, I've done everything you've suggested, but to no avail. I just wish I knew how to resolve this, it's irritating me to no end.
CorvusCamenarum said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Hope it works out.
One point worth noting however, is that mixing hardware with networking is always a quirky proposition. This isn't an Apple vs. the World issue either, so I don't mean it to sound that way. Because networking devices STILL aren't regulated the way they should be, each manufacturer uses slightly different technology and setups, Apple included. I have always had better luck matching hardware when networking (ie. if you have a Linksys wireless card for your PC, get a Linksys router; if you have an Apple Airport card in your machine, get an Apple Aiport as your router).
It's not a fool proof plan by any means, but I've found far fewer issues arise this way. The Apple networks I've set up with 3rd party hardware have always been less reliable than those I've set up with Apple hardware. And frankly, I can't complain about this too much because Apple's hardware has generally outperformed the 3rd party stuff for me as well so I don't mind the limitation.
clintob said:
Most of the people here are just standard users for whom 10.4.8 has been less than smooth. We all realise that for many, the upgrade has been fine. That's not the point of the thread. It's for those with problems.
I can see you have tried to give some constructive comments further on down, which is fair enough. But as a general thought, it does kinda grate that, whenever we have one of these threads, there's always more than one post saying 'I've installed it and it's fine so you must all be doing something wrong'. Sometimes I think the implication is 'Apple is infallible, and beyond criticism, so you must be making it up.'
Rant over.
Thanks.
Gee said:
Not at all... quite the contrary. I even made a point to say that wasn't the case, and I can relate as I've had similar problems.
My point, however, was simply that unless the vast majority of those users who are upgrading have had issues, the problem simply has to lie with the user and or the user's machine, and not the upgrade itself. It's just logical.
Of course, there are inconsistencies with downloads, but those issues can be fixed by reinstalling the upgrade in question. If you've tried that and still have the same issues, my point was that instead of searching for issues with the upgrade, you might have more luck search for issues with your personal configuration. A fine line maybe, but it was just an idea... usually has held true for me in the past when I've had troubles of my own.
Wow, sometimes I think I'm the only one who doesn't have any problems. I have a MacBook Pro, and it works fine, I downloaded iTunes 7 with no issues at all (aside from a small thing that was unrelatedto the program itself), and the Mac OS X 4.8 update runs like I didn't even update at all (which may be a good thing, or a bad thing, I'm not sure). Maybe I'm just lucky.
ghall said:Wow, sometimes I think I'm the only one who doesn't have any problems. I have a MacBook Pro, and it works fine, I downloaded iTunes 7 with no issues at all (aside from a small thing that was unrelatedto the program itself), and the Mac OS X 4.8 update runs like I didn't even update at all (which may be a good thing, or a bad thing, I'm not sure). Maybe I'm just lucky.
You're joking, right?
Gee said:
Having been on MacRumors for 4 years, I've seen a lot of people scream about Apple being out to get them, only to find out later that they did something that messed up their own machine.
A lot of us know that Apple make a lot of mistakes but not every problem is of their doing. Hacks and customisations have a lot to do with user problems but Intel-based machines generally don't have the problem as much because there aren't Universal Binary versions of all hacks, though I've heard of people installing the PowerPC versions.
I really hope that Apple get their Intel issues out of the way because it really makes things look much worse than they might actually be. One person can make a lot of noise.
I hope that all of you are able to get your systems where they should be.
bousozoku said:
I don't think anyone here is screaming that Apple is out to get them. My point is simple. 1) This thread is mean to be for people for whom 10.4.8 has in some way messed up. 2) A proportion of users will have problems with any given update. 3) To dismiss them all as having some brought it on themselves with 'hacks and customizations' is less than constructive. And 4) Posting that you've installed said update on your own machine and had no issues is also not particularly helpful.
Rant 2 over.
Nothing to see here.
HughJ said:
yeah i'm having the same problem in firefox, loading websites is lagging bad and gmail notifier keeps having problems connecting.
clintob said:
well, if installing the apple updates is changing settings or installing third party plugins i guess i'm guilty. i got up this morning, checked my email, all was well. os x told me i needed to install updates, so i did. now my browsing is extremely slow and has been since rebooting after the update.
anyone who has been around computers long enough knows this is simply not the case. a bug can affect a small number of users just as easily as it can a large number of users. the fact that there's at least 3 people in this thread with slow internet problems is enough to eliminate the "it must be the user" theory because i'm willing to be we don't have identical machines and programs installed. i'm not using a linksys router, so that isn't the same either. i do have a g4 powerbook tho, and not an intel based mac.
Sleep now seems broke on my MBP with 10.4.8.
If I close lid, it doesn't always go into sleep
I opened my bag about 3 hours after I put my MBP in it yesterday, and it was on fire.. properly hot - not just MBP hot, the entire case was just very hot, hehe.. I lifted lid and it was asking what I wanted to do (Shutdown, Suspend etc..)
I don't trust it - worked everytime on 10.4.7 (a few times it didn't come out of sleep, but it always did go into sleep).
If I close lid, it doesn't always go into sleep
I opened my bag about 3 hours after I put my MBP in it yesterday, and it was on fire.. properly hot - not just MBP hot, the entire case was just very hot, hehe.. I lifted lid and it was asking what I wanted to do (Shutdown, Suspend etc..)
I don't trust it - worked everytime on 10.4.7 (a few times it didn't come out of sleep, but it always did go into sleep).
Daz said:Sleep now seems broke on my MBP with 10.4.8.
If I close lid, it doesn't always go into sleep
I opened my bag about 3 hours after I put my MBP in it yesterday, and it was on fire.. properly hot - not just MBP hot, the entire case was just very hot, hehe.. I lifted lid and it was asking what I wanted to do (Shutdown, Suspend etc..)
I don't trust it - worked everytime on 10.4.7 (a few times it didn't come out of sleep, but it always did go into sleep).
Seems a lot better now I've shut it down and restarted it - it's worked everytime up to now?
Anyway, I'm ok with that, as long as it don't cook everything in my bag all the time!
well, i think im just going to hold off on this update, i was on the fence, but, i really dont need any headaches with my new MB
We've had three clients bring their computers in after having issues right after installing 10.4.8.
First two were iMac's that have random reboot / lockup issues. I ran Apple Hardware Test, etc. Could not find anything wrong. I went to software update and both reverted back to 10.4.7. I updated it back to 10.4.8 and they never crashed after that.
The last one is a Powermac G5 with a 30" Apple Cinema Display. He updated to 10.4.8. Then he couldn't use his 30" display. He put a 17" on it and it worked fine. Put the 30 back on and it wouldn't work. So I went over and looked at the version, and it was 10.4.7. So I updated it, then put the display on, and it's worked fine ever since.
Not sure what was going on, but I think something may have been wrong with the update the day of or the day after it was released. But it seems pretty random, cuz I updated the day of the update and everything worked for me.
Who knows, maybe it's just coincidence.
First two were iMac's that have random reboot / lockup issues. I ran Apple Hardware Test, etc. Could not find anything wrong. I went to software update and both reverted back to 10.4.7. I updated it back to 10.4.8 and they never crashed after that.
The last one is a Powermac G5 with a 30" Apple Cinema Display. He updated to 10.4.8. Then he couldn't use his 30" display. He put a 17" on it and it worked fine. Put the 30 back on and it wouldn't work. So I went over and looked at the version, and it was 10.4.7. So I updated it, then put the display on, and it's worked fine ever since.
Not sure what was going on, but I think something may have been wrong with the update the day of or the day after it was released. But it seems pretty random, cuz I updated the day of the update and everything worked for me.
Who knows, maybe it's just coincidence.
How can I revert my OSX back to 10.4.7? I'm running boot camp as well, and I'm guessing that seems to be the problem. It was more stable in .4.7.
I've never had a problem before with a 10.4.X release but I've been royally screwed over by this one.
My airport speeds are ridiculous! The last time I got a decent download speed was when I downloaded this s*dding "update"! I really can't work it out - anything I download tops out at about 5kb/s whereas my flatmates (all on PCs) have no issues at all. The connection is dropped very regularly too. And these issues are on both my G4 and MacBook. Very very frustrating.
My airport speeds are ridiculous! The last time I got a decent download speed was when I downloaded this s*dding "update"! I really can't work it out - anything I download tops out at about 5kb/s whereas my flatmates (all on PCs) have no issues at all. The connection is dropped very regularly too. And these issues are on both my G4 and MacBook. Very very frustrating.