The pattern of releasing MacBook Pro series

[mavericks7913]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro

Believe it or not, MacBook Pro is the only Mac computer having at least one update annually. They also announce a whole new model every 4 years. After the original MacBook Pro, they kept this pattern and it is very easy to expect any updates every year.

However, even Apple release one or two updates, it is difficult to expect the date of the update because it's random. At least, they update MBP once or twice per year.

Simply
- Every 4 years for a new model
- Evey one year for 1~2 updates.

MacBook Pro 2016 might be an exception which might be available in this year but we dont know anything about this model.

So next year, there will be a new model with a new design for MBP series.

 

[leman]

The original update schedule fir MBP was closely tied to Intel’s tick-tock cycle, with two updates per year. As the CPU and GPU updates have slowed down, so have the MBP updates. And they are far from random - they are closely tied to new hardware availability. This fall, the new expected hardware are Ice Lake GPUs and AMD Navi mobile chips. I wouldn’t expect a redesign before 2020 though.

 

[mavericks7913]

The original update schedule fir MBP was closely tied to Intel’s tick-tock cycle, with two updates per year. As the CPU and GPU updates have slowed down, so have the MBP updates. And they are far from random - they are closely tied to new hardware availability. This fall, the new expected hardware are Ice Lake GPUs and AMD Navi mobile chips. I wouldn’t expect a redesign before 2020 though.

After 2020, Apple will start using ARM-based processor for MacBook. If Apple can supply their own processors for MacBook Pro, then it will be a different story.

Btw there is no Ice Lake GPU but CPU.

Because of AMD Navi, there might be an update in this year because when RX400 series leaked in MacOS, they actually used for MacBook Pro on that year.

The redesign is expected in 2020. But once Apple can make their own processor for laptops, it will be different.

 

[leman]

Btw there is no Ice Lake GPU but CPU.

Typo, sorry. Dangers of posting from mobile

 

[Glockworkorange]

The original update schedule fir MBP was closely tied to Intel’s tick-tock cycle, with two updates per year. As the CPU and GPU updates have slowed down, so have the MBP updates. And they are far from random - they are closely tied to new hardware availability. This fall, the new expected hardware are Ice Lake GPUs and AMD Navi mobile chips. I wouldn’t expect a redesign before 2020 though.

Do we think we’re going to get a SECOND MBP this year?

 

[leman]

Do we think we’re going to get a SECOND MBP this year?

If new Intel CPUs are available in sufficient quantities, sure.

 

[mavericks7913]

Do we think we’re going to get a SECOND MBP this year?

There are three possibilities:

1. MBP 13 has a rumor to have 32gb of RAM base on Macrumor's article.
2. AMD Navi GPU revealed. MacOS Mojave actually has 4 models of Navi GPU leaked on January 2019. Since RX 400 series also leaked on MacOS before and then used for MacBook Pro series, it might be possible that Navi GPU can be used for either MBP or iMac.
3. MBP 16 has a rumor to release in 2019 base on Macrumor's article. Samsung is suggesting to apply OLED for MBP 16 in this year. http://www.thelec.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=1695 They actually manufacturing 15.6 inch OLED since February 2019.

 

[Apathy Overdose]

Aren't the new Intel CPUs more suited for Macbook Air rather than the MBPs?

And the ones that are suited for MBPs aren't expected until late 2020 at the earliest, so the redesign might realistically be 2 years away.

 

[mavericks7913]

Aren't the new Intel CPUs more suited for Macbook Air rather than the MBPs?

And the ones that are suited for MBPs aren't expected until late 2020 at the earliest, so the redesign might realistically be 2 years away.

There are 10nm processors is readying for late 2019 or 2020. They also released i9-9900KS which might be adapted for mobile CPU.

The biggest factor would be Apple's ARM processor. Because Intel is already expecting that Apple will start using ARM after 2020.

Btw, Samsung already made OLED panels for Apple since February 2019. The panel size is 15.6 and base on the article, Apple already has a plan for MBP 16 but they are deciding whether they pick LED or OLED for MBP 16. MBP 16 is having a rumor to have a whole new design in 2019 or 2020 so we will see. If they release MBP 16 in 2019, then both 13 and 15 will also have a similar design.
http://www.thelec.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=1695

 

[DeanL]

The biggest factor would be Apple's ARM processor. Because Intel is already expecting that Apple will start using ARM after 2020.

Nah. Maybe Apple will use ARM for MacBook, but not for MacBook Air and Pro and other Mac. x64 emulation on ARM sucks so bad it will be painful until developper update apps which they will take years to do. PowerPC > Intel was easier in the sense that everyone was asking for it, but no one is really asking for ARM yet.
Don't even get me started on the lack of compatibility with Windows and other OSes...

 

[mavericks7913]

Nah. Maybe Apple will use ARM for MacBook, but not for MacBook Air and Pro and other Mac. x64 emulation on ARM sucks so bad it will be painful until developper update apps which they will take years to do. PowerPC > Intel was easier in the sense that everyone was asking for it, but no one is really asking for ARM yet.
Don't even get me started on the lack of compatibility with Windows and other OSes...

You didnt even check the catalyst project. Apple announced this project from WWDC 2019 with MacOS Catalina that both iOS and MacOS apps can be used on both ARM and Intel CPU.

 

[DeanL]

You didnt even check the catalyst project. Apple announced this project from WWDC 2019 with MacOS Catalina that both iOS and MacOS apps can be used on both ARM and Intel CPU.

You're wrong. iOS apps can ported more easily to macOS, but they're still x64 apps. They're not ARM apps running on x64. Catalyst is about making iOS apps easy to port to macOS. Also it doesn't make x64 macOS apps run on iOS...

 

[mavericks7913]

You're wrong. iOS apps can ported more easily to macOS, but they're still x64 apps. They're not ARM apps running on x64. Catalyst is about making iOS apps easy to port to macOS.

Wrong. MacOS app is available for iOS through sidecar. Also, Project Catalyst tools is available in MacOS and Microsoft already made Windows 10 laptop with ARM processor.

 

[DeanL]

Wrong. MacOS app is available for iOS through sidecar. Also, Project Catalyst tools is available in MacOS and Microsoft already made Windows 10 laptop with ARM processor.

LOL sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about lmao (by the way I have Catalina and iOS 13).

1. MacOS app is available for iOS through sidecar.

   SideCar doesn't allow iOS to run x64 apps, it merely acts like a secondary Mac display.
   

2. Also, Project Catalyst tools is available in MacOS

   What does that even mean? It's not a response to any of what I said
   

3. Microsoft already made Windows 10 laptop with ARM processor.

   Same problem I cited before. Windows 10 ARM has to emulate x86 or x64 apps and it sucks balls. Have you used it? I have and it sucked horribly.

 

[mavericks7913]

LOL sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about lmao (by the way I have Catalina and iOS 13).

1. SideCar doesn't allow iOS to run x64 apps, it merely acts like a secondary Mac display.
   
2. What does that even mean? It's not a response to any of what I said
   
3. Same problem I cited before. Windows 10 ARM has to emulate x86 or x64 apps and it sucks balls. Have you used it? I have and it sucked horribly.

No matter what you are saying, ARM Mac is coming and Apple is intended to replace Intel CPU starting with MacBook and that's the point.

 

[DeanL]

No matter what you are saying, ARM Mac is coming and Apple is intended to replace Intel CPU starting with MacBook and that's the point.

My point is that it's not going to be the biggest factor in two years like you said.
The ARM transition will take at least a decade from the moment Apple introduces a MacBook that's ARM, but even then because it's such a niche product, it probably won't really affect the other product lines.

 

[mavericks7913]

My point is that it's not going to be the biggest factor in two years like you said.
The ARM transition will take at least a decade from the moment Apple introduces a MacBook that's ARM, but even then because it's such a niche product, it probably won't really affect the other product lines.

We dont know that since Apple can make a faster and better ARM processor. It can def replace Intel CPU from MacBook and MacBook Air. Apple's hardware and software optimization is also a factor. The rumor about 12 inch MacBook with ARM processor was around several years ago. 2018 or 2017.