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neat, I always wanted to use the NextStep look. On what OS can I use this? I don't think NextStep is available for download or can be installed on any modern hardware.

Window Maker is a free and open recreation of NeXTSTEP, available as a multi-platform window manager available for most Linux distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, etc.), and to my knowledge, all BSDs. As far as I know, it is pretty much architecture-independent.

On Debian for example, all one would need to do to install it is run: sudo apt install wmaker.

It's a really nice environment to use. Feels right at home on workstation-class hardware and is very reminiscent of NeXTSTEP, CDE, and to a certain extent, the Indigo Magic Desktop.
 
Window Maker is a free and open recreation of NeXTSTEP, available as a multi-platform window manager available for most Linux distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, etc.), and to my knowledge, all BSDs. As far as I know, it is pretty much architecture-independent.

On Debian for example, all one would need to do to install it is run: sudo apt install wmaker.

It's a really nice environment to use. Feels right at home on workstation-class hardware and is very reminiscent of NeXTSTEP, CDE, and to a certain extent, the Indigo Magic Desktop.

I will check it out. I like the retro boxy unix/linux look, I haven't used it to see if it is practical, but aesthetic wise looks awesome.

btw the Aquaweb link in your signature does not work, macintoshgarden was taken down.
 
btw the Aquaweb link in your signature does not work, macintoshgarden was taken down.

Works for me...

They've been known to go down for a little bit here and there. Not sure why.
 
Just to show my earlier point on the Radeon 9800 Pro, I offer this(I really need to upgrade this computer past 10.2.8...)

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Just to show my earlier point on the Radeon 9800 Pro, I offer this(I really need to upgrade this computer past 10.2.8...)

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A thing of beauty 🤩

Is that beast of a cooler for show? I've had a few 9800's but never known them to run all that hot in a Sawtooth. One of the better thermal designs of the PMG4 line IMHO.

OTOH I did cook a 9800 to death in my MDD, so maybe I could answer my own question...
 
Its amazing how little MacOS have changed aesthetically over the years, just shows how advanced that OS was when released in 2001.

There are definitely some nuances, though.

One thing that you see in the Aqua era OSs(10.0-10.4) is an overabundance of pinstriping. By 10.4 they'd toned this down a whole lot.

Either 10.3 or 10.4 brought us the now familiar system profiler that has changed very little since, while the prior version looked more like the one in OS 9.

The traffic lights are another big one. I think the spacing got closer somewhere around 10.4, they were downsized in 10.7, and of course 10.10 gave us the "flat" ones we now have.

Overall, though, I agree that even 10.2 has aged remarkably well in terms of the UI. Thank goodness the pinstripes are gone, though!
 
A thing of beauty 🤩

Is that beast of a cooler for show? I've had a few 9800's but never known them to run all that hot in a Sawtooth. One of the better thermal designs of the PMG4 line IMHO.

OTOH I did cook a 9800 to death in my MDD, so maybe I could answer my own question...

I doubt the card would run super hot in the Sawtooth, especially given that the case fan is right next to it.

With that said, it came on the card and I've left it because, especially when hammered in a G5, it needs the cooling headroom.
 
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It might be worth adding a bit to the hardware section about system instability due to blown capacitors. I've saved many a 'dead' motherboard / video card by simply replacing bulging / burst electrolytic capacitors.
 
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Someone else will need to do that. I have next to no experience with the subject.
 
Being new to PPC I'm happy I found this thread. Once I get the 15" DLSD I have bought I'll try to implement as many of the steps as possible. But two questions have already popped into my foggy mind.

First, it says in the wiki post that one should "Install a decently modern, minimal Linux for software support". I know next to nothing about Linux. Which minimal Linux should I look at for something that "just works" drivers-wise in a PowerBook and also has a slightly OSX-ish look and feel?

Second, I'm trying to understand the section "Optimizing The Partition Tables". If I want to have Leopard, Tiger and Linux on it, how does installing these fit with the three points in that section (reproduced below)? I've been advised to put Leopard as the first OS; should that then be put on the larger partition in point 2?
  1. Create a first partition 1 GB in size, formatted as Ext2, mounted at /boot. This will give the OS a faster filesystem to parse through while initializing, effectively lessening boot times.
  2. Create a second larger partition at least 10 GB in size, formatted as Ext4 journaled, mounted at /. This is the standard root partition configuration, being where all files, documents, and data will live.
  3. Create a third 8.8 GB partition formatted as swap space. This will allow for plenty of swap space should the system run out of RAM, be it during heavy usage, compiling a package, or other demanding tasks.
Apologies in advance if these are stupidly obvious things.

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First, it says in the wiki post that one should "Install a decently modern, minimal Linux for software support". I know next to nothing about Linux. Which minimal Linux should I look at for something that "just works" drivers-wise in a PowerBook and also has a slightly OSX-ish look and feel?

I'd go for @wicknix "Macbuntu", which is an OS X-themed edition of his Lubuntu remix. Link (straight from his post):


As for your question with regards to partitions, what I'd do is create the two HFS+ partitions - one for Tiger, one for Leopard - first, followed by the three partitions for Linux as outlined in the guide.
 
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To make life easier, don't bother with the 3 Linux partitions. Just create 3 partitions, install tiger on 1, leopard on 2, and most Linux installers will automatically recognize the blank 3rd partition and install itself there.

Cheers
 
To make life easier, don't bother with the 3 Linux partitions.
Would/do you not use a separate swap partition then? I thought it was regarded as faster than using a swap file on the / partition.

Also, I'd consider using a separate partition for /home so that user data and the OS are separated and eg reinstalling does not mess with them.
 
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Yeah a swap partition is a good idea if you have 1gb or less of ram. I personally never create a separate /boot or /home partition. It's not a bad idea, but not required. If need be, just archive your home directory and save it to usb stick every month or so for backup purposes.

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Also, I'd consider using a separate partition for /home so that user data and the OS are separated and eg reinstalling does not mess with them.

I've found on a couple of occasions that this doesn't actually work in the real world. When you install two or three new OSes with the same untouched /home partition, it can sometimes screw things up and you might encounter problems.

Granted, this was a few years back so the details are fuzzy, but there were issues with this method.
 
When you install two or three new OSes with the same untouched /home partition, it can sometimes screw things up and you might encounter problems.
Ah yep, because of the config files kept there. Which is why I, when I have more than one distro installed, only use /home for config files and keep my "real" data
on a separate partition mounted as... /data :p
 
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To make life easier, don't bother with the 3 Linux partitions. Just create 3 partitions, install tiger on 1, leopard on 2, and most Linux installers will automatically recognize the blank 3rd partition and install itself there.

Cheers
I can not confirm this.

If you make a partition, linux wants a manual configuration. You must create 2 Partitions at the size you want and let the rest empty. Then you can install Linux side by side automatically and easy.
 
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