There are loads and loads of devices that compete with the iPod shuffle, nano and classic.....but those three devices still dominate the market.
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iPod touch The Real iPod Touch Killer
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There are loads and loads of devices that compete with the iPod shuffle, nano and classic.....but those three devices still dominate the market.
Doug
I agree with you totally. I just posted this thread to show that I'm really disappointed with this company. They used to launch product with their own marks in the past like the E3 or Miniplayer(stole the background of Tiger and the click-wheel, but still a good product).But from the Mini-One ,they seem to be out of stock of idea, and become as stupid as a donkey
And, yes, most of the problem came because if they make it true, they will be insanely happy to say to the world ""Hey, we can produce the exact same thing as Apple for half the cost. With a few less features. And less hardware. And we haven't actually made it yet, this is just a photoshop image. But I'm sure we WILL figure out how to make it by this date I've just pulled out of somewhere unmentionable. We're heroes!""
There is already product which look likes the Touch in China,for 90$,2G. The reason why people continue to believe on Meizu lies is just because Meizu promise that it will have the best screen, prices,capacities,touch feeling in the world(As you can see below) even few people doubt Samsung will sell its ARM to affect the YP-P2 sells.People can always dream, as I do before the SR MacBook Pro came out
I can never show you how angry I am about it
This is not a way to fight with big company in the world for the Chinese, and this made me really sad
And yet, your signature reads: MBP SR 2.2ghz,120G. iPod Nano 4G(1G) iPod 5G(30G),iPod Shuffle(2G),Sony NW-E407,Creative Muvo2 (4G),YP-K3(2G),iPod Mini(4G),iPod Touch(8G) very soon
Just sayin'
I just got it a week ago, and I have to say that I really love it, it's prefect.but a 16G will be more welcomed.I should change my information though
I used to wrote a letter as long as 30 thousand Chinese words to Meizu(I posted it on the Meizu forum where all the fake news came out), telling them not to confused the crowd, but focus on a real MP4 player,which is also a hard mission. But with thousands of Chinese agreed with me, Meizu still made fake photos(That day they even announced it will support 3.5G network which most of the world don't what it is)
Meizu director usually reply to this kind of hot thread (10,000 clicks men!!!!!Many of them even post my letter on their blog). But this time, Silence-----Silence------always silence. Just because I said the truth,really sad about this kind of company
dsnt change the fack its GUI is ripped off from the iPhone.
*whisper* i think this dude if trying to sell us crappy stuff from his wearhouse in china*whisper*
I wonder what would happen if the Chinese spent their time and energy innovating, instead of simply ripping others off. Not only in electronics but in things like cars as well.
From copycat electronics and cars, downright lethal cars, toys and dogfood that are laced with poison... China has it all!
I don't know about you gous, but these days I make a conscious decision NOT to buy crap that is made in China. Life's too important to take risks just so you could save few bucks.
From copycat electronics and cars, downright lethal cars, toys and dogfood that are laced with poison... China has it all!
I don't know about you gous, but these days I make a conscious decision NOT to buy crap that is made in China. Life's too important to take risks just so you could save few bucks.
"Good artist learn, great artist steal !!!!!"----Da Vinci, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates
Chinese got damaged by hostile countries for hundred of years, and this is nothing bad for a little thiefing, what I don't like in Meizu, is they pass the border, they are 1000% copier, but a little 10%-20% don't hurt that much
dsnt change the fack its GUI is ripped off from the iPhone.
*whisper* i think this dude if trying to sell us crappy stuff from his wearhouse in china*whisper*
I don't mean to sell product there , I mension the price only to let you guys know prices are very essential in the market, none can get away from it. I was grown in France,man, I knew the rules
Thats just a chinese iPod Touch knock off, or a Photoshop, eather way it will NOT harm sales of the REAL iPod Touch.
Ooh what a dilemma... which one to buy.... the real deal, or a cheap tacky Chinese knockoff, probably made using child slave labor in a sweatshop, "with the menu write in engrish and function missing"
(Yes I know the iPods are made in China, but at least I've heard of Apple and know what to expect when it comes to quality)
The iPod is quite safe
(Yes I know the iPods are made in China, but at least I've heard of Apple and know what to expect when it comes to quality)
The iPod is quite safe
Thief is a thief. As far as design goes, Chinese are thiefs. And as far as engineering goes, they are crap.
what a lot of people on this forum fail to realize is that a product like this will do very well in a place like China.
Yes it's not an apple product, but visiting China you see very little white earbuds around. I actually went through a Gadget type of marketplace and saw a few Meizu products for sale, more so than I saw any presence of Apple.
To people in the US, obviously we'll never purchase a cheap rip-off POS build quality look-alike, but there are millions and billions of people here in China that will.
It's harder for Apple to regulate and balance their lawsuits with companies in Asia as well, there's just too many loopholes for posers like Meizu to slip through, and I think Apple and Meizu know this.
Yes it's not an apple product, but visiting China you see very little white earbuds around. I actually went through a Gadget type of marketplace and saw a few Meizu products for sale, more so than I saw any presence of Apple.
To people in the US, obviously we'll never purchase a cheap rip-off POS build quality look-alike, but there are millions and billions of people here in China that will.
It's harder for Apple to regulate and balance their lawsuits with companies in Asia as well, there's just too many loopholes for posers like Meizu to slip through, and I think Apple and Meizu know this.
i have one of the older m6
i have the m6 and it is a fine machine - next to my ipod, my favourite portable. it is loud, but not full of nasty special effects like cowon or samsung portables and has high quality innards. it looks like an ipod and that is cool as it is not, so it turns heads for other reasons.
however, the software is rubbish and there is no line out video is rubbish and slow. meizu are a good company but they do throw things together. all the r and d is done by apple all they have to do is figure out how to lower the price and take out features like mp4 etc.
yes, they do radio and voice recording - both are poorly implemented like: radio is very noisy and voice recording is... touch the device and get major rips in the sound. also, album art etc has not worked well and the device hisses worse than an ipod shuffle. i have sold it (or will be in 2 weeks) because of these defects. i just want to enjoy the music, not worry about every facet of ... basically everything. however, best try outside of an ipod i have tried.
i have the m6 and it is a fine machine - next to my ipod, my favourite portable. it is loud, but not full of nasty special effects like cowon or samsung portables and has high quality innards. it looks like an ipod and that is cool as it is not, so it turns heads for other reasons.
however, the software is rubbish and there is no line out video is rubbish and slow. meizu are a good company but they do throw things together. all the r and d is done by apple all they have to do is figure out how to lower the price and take out features like mp4 etc.
yes, they do radio and voice recording - both are poorly implemented like: radio is very noisy and voice recording is... touch the device and get major rips in the sound. also, album art etc has not worked well and the device hisses worse than an ipod shuffle. i have sold it (or will be in 2 weeks) because of these defects. i just want to enjoy the music, not worry about every facet of ... basically everything. however, best try outside of an ipod i have tried.
A lot doesn't mean all, and I wasn't aware you spoke on behalf of everyone else.
I was just giving my opinion on the matter, sorry if you felt I was being condescending, that wasn't my intention.
I have no respect for companies who knock off and copy others, and we all know and love Apple, so lets just stop arguing and bumping up and giving this damned device any more exposure
FoxConn makes the iPod Touch I believe, so they're all coming from China for similar production costs regardless.
If you copy another company's design and interface, then you save a few bucks that way. If you provide less customer support as well, you also save some more money. If you cut down on marketing and distribution, you can also save some more money.
All of this has nothing to do with Apple vs. China, US vs. China or whatever (especially since they're all made in China anyway!) It's simple business principles at work.
Meizu is copying the Touch because this is the easiest, cheapest way for them to attract attention and publicity, and simultaneously reduce their R&D costs. That's not to say they couldn't design and produce a great unique player, but their company is probably not set up this way at the current time. They do seem to be bigger and more significant than other companies who produce even cheaper knockoffs, but that's why they need to sell a bit higher. And is also the same reason why Apple's products sells at its prices.
If you copy another company's design and interface, then you save a few bucks that way. If you provide less customer support as well, you also save some more money. If you cut down on marketing and distribution, you can also save some more money.
All of this has nothing to do with Apple vs. China, US vs. China or whatever (especially since they're all made in China anyway!) It's simple business principles at work.
Meizu is copying the Touch because this is the easiest, cheapest way for them to attract attention and publicity, and simultaneously reduce their R&D costs. That's not to say they couldn't design and produce a great unique player, but their company is probably not set up this way at the current time. They do seem to be bigger and more significant than other companies who produce even cheaper knockoffs, but that's why they need to sell a bit higher. And is also the same reason why Apple's products sells at its prices.
And, yes, most of the problem came because if they make it true, they will be insanely happy to say to the world ""Hey, we can produce the exact same thing as Apple for half the cost. With a few less features. And less hardware. And we haven't actually made it yet, this is just a photoshop image. But I'm sure we WILL figure out how to make it by this date I've just pulled out of somewhere unmentionable. We're heroes!""
There is already product which look likes the Touch in China,for 90$,2G. The reason why people continue to believe on Meizu lies is just because Meizu promise that it will have the best screen, prices,capacities,touch feeling in the world(As you can see below) even few people doubt Samsung will sell its ARM to affect the YP-P2 sells.People can always dream, as I do before the SR MacBook Pro came out
I can never show you how angry I am about it
This is not a way to fight with big company in the world for the Chinese, and this made me really sad
A.) You have to slowly move up the ladder. Taiwan used to be the place to make stuff for cheap. Now the big Taiwanese ODM's are just as skilled and competent as American companies (many work hand in hand to design and produce various computers and electronic devices.) And before that, Japan was seen as the place to make cheap, inexpensive stuff a long time ago.
B.) Right now China offers cheap labor, and not much else. What can they possibly offer, considering the state of development there? But again, getting into manufacturing gets them into the game.
C.) If you don't want to buy anything made from China, then you can strike most Macs and iPods off your list. Apple subcontracts much of their manufacturing to the big Taiwanese ODM's, who operate factories in China.
D.) Don't equate the horrible decision-making of a few plant managers to shave costs with an entire nation of workers and factories. I know you don't mean it in that way, but if I read that totally out of context it would be insulting to me. So much is produced there that is problem-free. You hear about lots of customer support outsourcing being pulled back into the USA, but you don't hear about a lot of manufacturing being pulled back into the USA (certainly not from Apple.)
E.) I have direct experience with manufacturing in China, and how it works for US companies looking to produce there. You have a lot of hard-working companies who want your business, but most of which need to go through their lumps ramping up production before QC is good, etc. It's not ignorance or laziness, it's simply getting up to speed. (note that I am in NO way justifying lying and deliberating substituting cheaper chemicals to shave costs, which is what happened in the Aqua Dots problem (and probably with the lead paint too.) That's a totally different issue, I'm talking about regular product quality, QC, etc.
F.) Most Chinese companies specialize in production, not engineering and design- they simply don't have the experience and expertise yet. So most companies end up producing for foreign companies, which on the whole has worked well (I don't want to pay $1000 for an iPod Touch.) But some of these companies have alternatively tried to gain an edge by copying products, thats for sure. But it's a small percentage of the actual output, and pretty insignificant to Apple for various reasons.
G.) The Chinese government needs to step up their game regarding intellectual protection if they want to be seriously regarded as a economic player in the world. Actually, they have far worse problems with environmental issues, but that's a different story...
Thank you for your tip, but I studied economy in school so I knew this, clearly. I also mentioned it to Meizu in my 30 thousands words letter.
But the key is not whether it's 1000% copy or not, there are 1000 of companies who copy AAPL idea including M$, and people already known that. But Meizu just released fake images of their product, and none of their product are real one!!!!!!!They said there Mini-One are made before iPhone release in 2006 December. But as we are approaching Dec 2007, still no Mini-One came out, just specifications that nobody believe
They are fooling the customers just for publicity, and raising racism discussion between the US and Chinese people.These actions are far more offensive than thiefing AAPL, and should be blame to death
I should close this thread before it's been transformed into a racism thread like those on Engadget
The world is getting fed up with low cost, low quality and rip off chinese products. Here in Australia there has been a major recall of Bindees a childrens toy (also called Aqua Dots in the rest of the world) as they contain a solvent which metabolises into GBH(the date rape drug no less, yes nice). China clearly doesn't care about what it exports. Why should this blatant rip off be any differant? It will probably last a week then break down and have you tried to take a chinese product back-the shop owner looks at you as if to say what did you expect. I personally avoid anything made in china, its hard but my main rule is s no food stuffs, no pharmaceuticals, tolietries anything you put on or ingest Sorry for my rant but people are getting tired of blatant rip offs and low to dangerous quality control. China also pays no regard to internationally recognised intellectual property treaties. Apple is just one of many in a long line waithing to sue over breach of patents but the chinese giovernment will do nothing.
Yup. many Chinese products cut corners, but when the fallout from those cost-cutting techniques becomes a public health hazard, something needs to be done.
Let's not forget that China has now become the world's greatest pollutant at this point in time, burning fossil fuels like it's goin' out of style.
Let's not forget that China has now become the world's greatest pollutant at this point in time, burning fossil fuels like it's goin' out of style.
Yep of course there are good things (e.g. Apple hardware!) being manufactured in China as well as the cheap tat.
I don't think I was one of those who was sounding racist, but if anything I say does sound racist then I apologise, it's not intended to.
The main issue is, as has already been said, poor/no government control. Here we have Trading Standards authority etc etc which they don't seem to have.
Easiest way to avoid cheap (and *usually* Chinese) knockoffs:
* Don't use eBay, or at least be very careful. That place is absolutely jam packed with fake stuff, especially flash memory and flash-based products.
* Avoid dodgy market stalls
* Don't go to "pound shops" ("dollar shops"?)
* Remember that if the price seems too good to be true... it probably is!
I don't think I was one of those who was sounding racist, but if anything I say does sound racist then I apologise, it's not intended to.
The main issue is, as has already been said, poor/no government control. Here we have Trading Standards authority etc etc which they don't seem to have.
Easiest way to avoid cheap (and *usually* Chinese) knockoffs:
* Don't use eBay, or at least be very careful. That place is absolutely jam packed with fake stuff, especially flash memory and flash-based products.
* Avoid dodgy market stalls
* Don't go to "pound shops" ("dollar shops"?)
* Remember that if the price seems too good to be true... it probably is!
That said, there's also a lot of great bargains going on eBay - especially in terms of iPods and iPod accessories. I got a 1st gen nano from there a month after it was released for just £95, still sealed, and brand-new. I'm sure that's cheaper than even the chinese rip-offs floating around(?)
Even if you do receive a fake item that is advertised authentic, you can file a complaint with eBay, and they sort it out well and give you a refund. This has happened to me a few times - but not with electricals, only clothing items.
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I once had to file a complaint for a non-delivered item (turned out to be a fraudster) on eBay, and it was something like 6 months until I got a reimbursement out of them. Even then they took a hefty chunk out of it as an "insurance fee". That said, most credit cards cover you and are much quicker / much less quibble when it comes to reimbursements for dodgy internet transactions.
eBay can be excellent, you just have to be careful. Checking feedback is a good start, but buyers often don't realise they've been had... I got a fake memory stick off there, it had a fake Sony hologram and everything, but on careful inspection it's easily identifiable as fake. Seller had 99% positive feedback from hundreds of people for the same product.
I recently bought a Shuffle on there very cheap, but knew it was genuine because it was such a crap ad, with a poorly taken photo of the box. I was correct. Fakers tend to try too hard!
eBay can be excellent, you just have to be careful. Checking feedback is a good start, but buyers often don't realise they've been had... I got a fake memory stick off there, it had a fake Sony hologram and everything, but on careful inspection it's easily identifiable as fake. Seller had 99% positive feedback from hundreds of people for the same product.
I recently bought a Shuffle on there very cheap, but knew it was genuine because it was such a crap ad, with a poorly taken photo of the box. I was correct. Fakers tend to try too hard!
Wow. Another off-shore portable entertainment device that going to put Apple out of business. Just like the Rio or the Zune, or any of the half dozen iPod-killers that have been touted out there over the last several years.
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