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Re: earlier comment - megapixels are not the important number here - the aperture is the important number in a small camera like this. Optics and a wide aperture (which will let in a ton of light) will beat megapixels every time, especially with a small camera/sensor situation here. Megapixels are basically the digital camera industry's way to make an objective, easy to understand number by which to compare cameras. But compare a good 4 megapixel camera with a crappy 12 megapixel camera. The optics will matter more every time.

This is *SO* true. I'd take a good 5 MP camera over a ****** 14MP camera any day.

Honestly at this point, we have more than enough pixels. Our pictures are large enough. Imo, 8 MP is probably the sweet spot for the average (or even above average) picture-taker, and that's with a normal camera... 8 MP is, in my opinion at least, overkill for a phone. Granted, everyone cares about numbers so Apple's pretty much forced to keep up.

But what's important with their new camera is the improvements they've made to lighting and optics, not the pixel count increase.

I think if you genuinely need 8 Megapixels (and who besides actual photographers can genuinely claim that they often do?), you need a *REAL* camera with an adjustable lens. I sort of can't imagine many practical needs above 15-20 MPs...
 
I think Cook missed an opportunity for a good laugh. When he was showing gorgeous pictures the 4Gs could take, he should have flashed this photo as well. The crowd would have loved it.

lol but this photo is actually quite dull
 
This is *SO* true. I'd take a good 5 MP camera over a ****** 14MP camera any day.

Honestly at this point, we have more than enough pixels. Our pictures are large enough. Imo, 8 MP is probably the sweet spot for the average (or even above average) picture-taker, and that's with a normal camera... 8 MP is, in my opinion at least, overkill for a phone. Granted, everyone cares about numbers so Apple's pretty much forced to keep up.

But what's important with their new camera is the improvements they've made to lighting and optics, not the pixel count increase.

I think if you genuinely need 8 Megapixels (and who besides actual photographers can genuinely claim that they often do?), you need a *REAL* camera with an adjustable lens. I sort of can't imagine many practical needs above 15-20 MPs...

Very true...an 8MP photo can be printed at 8x10" at 300ppi (Magazine print quality) and you won't see the pixels. Most people I know don't print 8x10 photos from their cell phone...

On a larger camera like a DSLR more MP are useful to a point as you have a much larger sensor, so you might as well get more detail.

What I am wondering though is about the image stabilization in the video mode...I am guessing that it is software based using the accelerometer and gyroscope as they don't mention sensor shift or lens shift stabilization for the photo camera...
 
The camera in theory -at least- shows some great specs. Both the wider aperture at f/2.4 and the type of sensor used which is new technology and it means that all the wiring and amps are hidden behind the chip, thus leaving the whole surface of the sensor to capture light, which also leads to better light reception.
It should be better than the competition's and eventually very good for the average phtographer, and after all this is a camera you always carry with you. Add the HD video capabilities... it sounds real cool.
 
here are the real iPhone 4s 8 MP camera details:

20 percent better color accuracy
35 percent better low light sensitivity

1.4 x 1.4 micron pixel size (iPhone 4 has 1,75 x 1,75 micron pixels)

BUT, when it comes to overall pixel light sensitivity in normal daylight
it has 35 precent less performance.
but with the lager aperture lets in more light and an 45 precent improved full well capacity this "problem" is fully solved and at the end, it has about 13 precent real better light performance.
in low light conditions it still has the 35 percent better performance.


it is able to do 1080p video at 60fps (without image stabilization, with 30 fps)
but apple only give us 30 fps with it.

720p with stabilization at 60 fps but apple will give us only 30 fps here too.

full 8mp 4k video at 24fps... but apple don't offer it to us
6mp video at 30 fps ... apple don't offer

same energy consumption as iPhone 4 camera (8 mp 4k video at about 340 mW)
a special shutdown mode with only 10 microwatt (iPhone 4 camera only offers a standby mode with 40 microwatt consumption)


next iPhone:

1.1 micron pixels
20 precent thinner
comparable image quality (little less)
less light sensitivity
only 4,7 mm high (6,5 mm is the iPhone 4 and 4s one)
8 MP, same video capabilities
80 mWatt less energy consumption at 8mp 24fps video.
 
In a tiny mobile phone, it absolutely is.

exactly, I seen 12MP attempts but the phone was just ridiculous, 8mp packaged with 4S is a nice compromise. it can do everything great, but not exactly tech beater on any level, just the way it should be.

If apple went all out all the time, they would eventually run out of things to iterate to, and maybe too expensive in this economy until tech parts becomes more well manufactured.
 
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