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WinterMute said:
Hmmmm, and this after you saw the crash test results on the 5-series?

heheh I know... it's a bit worrying isn't it... :eek: :p but I have complete confidence in the car! :D


WinterMute said:
Does the phrase "dead by the 4th corner" mean anything to you?

Imagine crashing on the last corner though... like how miffed would you be if that happened! :eek: :p

I've got the track down in my head, I've been spending the last month or so on the 'Ring using GT4, allegedly a spot on recreation of the track, I'm not expecting it to have every bump but I've memorised the corners which will come in handy when I do my first flyer. :D



evoluzione said:
and yes, let's have another write up after yeah??? your previous test was great.

Why of course... although at 13 miles long it might be more of a book... :p

I'm hoping that something will come of the car cam, they're pretty strict on the no photography rule, so I'm hoping that the girl who's M5 I'll be driving will have something elaborate fitted to document it... :)
 
I know it's not Top Gear but did anyone watch 5th Gear last night?

Totally love VBH... :D love the looks, the girlish squeal, and that naughty girl grin heheheh, especially like the way she caught that opposite lock slide one handed in the SL55 too :D yep she's damn fine. :)

The Tiff piece in Sweden or Norway (I forget) was enlightening... even though there is nothing more annoying than ESP/DSC and TC in the dry, the benefits in slippery conditions were plain to see, impressive stuff. Especially how the TC allowed Tiff to drive up that sheet ice hill, and how ESP allowed him to maintain a degree of control at 70mph on snow/ice.
 
yup! I saw it ;) :D
She was bricking it when that roll bar shot up! I would have been too mind :eek: :D
They liked the new 3 too, which is good for BMW. It needed to be good.
The ESP was amazing, hell even the traction control & ABS was amazing. You really don't realise until you see a demo like that the difference it can make.
 
iGav said:
The Tiff piece in Sweden or Norway (I forget) was enlightening... even though there is nothing more annoying than ESP/DSC and TC in the dry, the benefits in slippery conditions were plain to see, impressive stuff. Especially how the TC allowed Tiff to drive up that sheet ice hill, and how ESP allowed him to maintain a degree of control at 70mph on snow/ice.

I watched that and I have to admit I was thinking "rubbish". The traction and stability control on my Jag did not help me keep control on a smooth dry piece of road! OK he was testing the latest and greatest but on the slow motion you can see him correct the slide before the ESP even noticed it was there!

Still good stuff, and I'm sure the latest stuff is a lot better than the system that was fitted to a 7 year old car (so probably nearer 10 years old in terms of system design).

Will my next car have stability or traction control? Probably not!
 
edesignuk said:
She was bricking it when that roll bar shot up! I would have been too mind :eek: :D

I'm not surprised... heheheheh they were F'in lethal in the previous SL :eek: take your head off :p loved that dirty girl look she gave out the side window just afterwards though... what's the word I'm looking for...??? saucy! yep, that'll do nicely. heheheh :D

Loved the way she caught that slide one handed as well... :D had the car snapped back though she would've been in the sh*t big time! :p


edesignuk said:
They liked the new 3 too, which is good for BMW. It needed to be good.

The only thing that bothers me about the new 3 is the rear, it looks like they've just not bothered, instead tacking on the previous generations rump. Really ruins it for me.

I can understand why BMW played it a little safe with the rear on their main model, but it's just totally insipid when you consider the other BMW models.

edesignuk said:
The ESP was amazing, hell even the traction control & ABS was amazing. You really don't realise until you see a demo like that the difference it can make.

T'was very impressive... I didn't realise just how affective ESP/DSC and TC are on what was essentially sheet ice. :eek:

They still have no place on dry roads though :D
 
At least we've had it confirmed by Tiff and Plato that the latest Dodge Viper is crap. heheh :p Not that the new 'Vette looks any better either though. :rolleyes: :p

It just looks plain lethal to drive... :eek:
 
iGav said:
At least we've had it confirmed by Tiff and Plato that the latest Dodge Viper is crap. heheh :p Not that the new 'Vette looks any better either though. :rolleyes: :p

It just looks plain lethal to drive... :eek:
I remember seeing the new Viper on Top Gear....catching itself on fire!!!!! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:
 
edesignuk said:
I remember seeing the new Viper on Top Gear....catching itself on fire!!!!! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

I know... look at the first couple of pages of this thread where we gave it a right pasting heheheh :p

Plato was most vocal in his vitriol. :p :p :p
 
iGav said:
head, I've been spending the last month or so on the 'Ring using GT4, allegedly a spot on recreation of the track, I'm not expecting it to have every bump but I've memorised the corners which will come in handy when I do my first flyer. :D

A lap on the 'ring for real, eh?

You lucky b*stard...and I mean that in the nicest possible way! :D

One of the license test in GT4 uses an M5 on the 'ring, and I think the final test for the Super license is a full lap of the ring in a beautiful Merc 190 homologation special.

I was just racing around the 'ring last night in my Lotus Carlton...what would I do without GT4? :p

You have a lot to memorize, if I actually had to worry about losing my life I would probably be laughably slow. :eek:
 
Lord Blackadder said:
A lap on the 'ring for real, eh?

You lucky b*stard...and I mean that in the nicest possible way! :D

I was supposed to go almost 3 weeks ago... :( some stuff cropped up (not my end) though that means we're having to rejig dates. :(

Lord Blackadder said:
You have a lot to memorize, if I actually had to worry about losing my life I would probably be laughably slow. :eek:

I found it easier to split the track into 2 halves and learn it that way... didn't take me all that long to be honest, I'm surprisingly rententive when it comes to racing tracks :)

I'm not especially worried about crashing either... I'm very much aware of my limits behind the wheel, more so in a 60 grand car that isn't mine :eek: heheh.
 
iGav said:
I found it easier to split the track into 2 halves and learn it that way... didn't take me all that long to be honest, I'm surprisingly rententive when it comes to racing tracks :)

Now I'm going to have to fire up GT4 when I get home from work and see how fast I can do it in the M5 without crashing( :rolleyes: ). The worst section for me is during the first third (I think), where there is a reasonably long straight that goes downhill, bends slightly left as the track rises, followed by a tight left, a right, slightly uphill then a hard left with a late apex in 2nd gear going immediately into a hard right. If I can get past that I'm good...sort of. :D
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Now I'm going to have to fire up GT4 when I get home from work and see how fast I can do it in the M5 without crashing( :rolleyes: ). The worst section for me is during the first third (I think), where there is a reasonably long straight that goes downhill, bends slightly left as the track rises, followed by a tight left, a right, slightly uphill then a hard left with a late apex in 2nd gear going immediately into a hard right. If I can get past that I'm good...sort of. :D

Yeah I know the sequence you mean, that threw me the first couple of times as well, it's an unconventional combination (as opposed to what you find on modern day race tracks)

Depending on the car, I've found it best to take the straight completely flat, as you go uphill take the car to the far right of the track (literally the edge), brake and shift down whilst in a straight line, in RWD cars I prefer to do a slight Scandinavian flick to upset the rear of the car, this will create slight oversteer into the fast left, but will also correct the understeer that I found that even RWD cars experience during that corner, as you catch the slide the car should sweep to the right of the track (balance the throttle, don't hoof it) but be on the racing line and should be already set up for the following right. e.g. after catching the slide, it should be pointing towards the left of the track ready for the next tighter right.

I think the following right depends on the car you're driving, if you've got a car with excellent lower speed torque then you can get away with taking the right in a higher gear (you'll lose time changing down) but in a car with less torque or a car that produces it's torque at higher RPM, then you need to change down to keep the engine in the range.

I've tried a couple of approaches to the following tight left and right... if you've got the car to take the previous right in a higher gear, you can get away with taking the following tight left in a higher gear as well, whilst you encounter a slightly slower exit speed, it also eradicates the need to change in the short spurt before the right, whilst it's probably no quicker, it means you've got a more settled and stable car to position for the last right... allowing you to focus on the exit of the corner.

The other approach I tried was to change down to 2nd for the tight left, but whether it's my entry/exit speed, but I always seem to ping off the limiter way before the braking point for the right, so I find myself in a position where if I change up, I'll lose time, but if I stay on the limiter then I lose time as well, whereas taking that sequence in a higher gear (should the car be capable of it) then I find that not only is it far smoother, but also quicker because of the higher entry and mid corner speeds.

Of course there's always the balls out banzai approach... heheh :p
 
I'm guilty of wanting to downshift to quickly, so that last left-right combo is always a challenge, like you say I often end up downshifting between the two corners, which unsettles the car and has me bouncing off the rev limiter on the exit.

The first few times I did the 'ring on GT4 I was using Pontiac Tempest GTO, which has so much torque that shifting is often unnecessary. On the other hand, it rolled like the Queen Mary so it was very easy to upset the chassis. I did it last night in a newly-won 600HP Chevy Camaro LM race car. OMG, what a rush going through the faster curvy sections at over 140MPH! I was able to run the course without crashing in under 6:30, though I made some dumb mistakes and lost a lot of time in a couple spots.

BTW, do you use a steering wheel? I had one for GT2 back in the day, but since then I have been stuck with the controller (which is very hard to use, although one gets used to it). For the next GT game they need to come out with a three-pedal full force feedback wheel to really separate the men from the boys. ;)
 
Lord Blackadder said:
I'm guilty of wanting to downshift to quickly,

hahahaha I am as well at that particular corner :p it's not too bad if you're in a car with a 7 grand + redline, because that will mask the mistake nicely, but in a lower revving car... you just end up pinger that limiter and it sounds terrible... real amateur stuff heheh

Lord Blackadder said:
so that last left-right combo is always a challenge, like you say I often end up downshifting between the two corners, which unsettles the car and has me bouncing off the rev limiter on the exit.

It's an odd combination corner isn't it... the apex for the left corner is in a strange place, it's almost blind as well, if like me you use the bumper view (I always find the view behind the car, off putting)

I was trying it out last night, and in the M5 I take a higher gear, it's a compromise, but if you can nail the 2 proceeding corners, then you should be carrying so much speed that any compromise of taking the higher gear is minimal, then for the final right I hook the right tyres over the right kerb and you can take the corner flat without worrying about it sweeping all the way to the outside... and no pinging of the limiter either. :D

Lord Blackadder said:
BTW, do you use a steering wheel? I had one for GT2 back in the day,

Hahaha so did I... can't even remember what model though as I bought that back in late '99?? I forget.

Lord Blackadder said:
but since then I have been stuck with the controller (which is very hard to use, although one gets used to it). For the next GT game they need to come out with a three-pedal full force feedback wheel to really separate the men from the boys.

I'm just using a DualShock 2 at the mo... I've had to get used to the analogue sticks though, as before I used the digital buttons... until 'GTA: San Andreas' forced me to switch to the sticks. :(

I don't mind the DualShock to be honest, I've grown to like the analogue sticks, although I'm still not as precise as I was with just the buttons... I've nailed the 'left-foot' braking technique with my throttle thumb though... :D that makes life so much easier, especially when balancing a car in the fast corners.

I'd love a wheel... but where would it stop? first you buy the wheel... then one starts thinking, 'I can't have the steering wheel, without a racing seat', then the next thing you know you're building yourself a replica of a racing car in your lounge :eek: :p
 
iGav said:
It's an odd combination corner isn't it... the apex for the left corner is in a strange place, it's almost blind as well, if like me you use the bumper view (I always find the view behind the car, off putting)

I use the "cockpit" view where you can see over the hood, it feels the most natural to me. That left is the worst,the curb/kerb :D keeps going and going and the apex just isn't there, which really makes me want to attack way too early. Then I end up slamming the brakes to avoid going off, like a true n00b.

iGav said:
I was trying it out last night, and in the M5 I take a higher gear, it's a compromise, but if you can nail the 2 proceeding corners, then you should be carrying so much speed that any compromise of taking the higher gear is minimal, then for the final right I hook the right tyres over the right kerb and you can take the corner flat without worrying about it sweeping all the way to the outside... and no pinging of the limiter either. :D

A car with a wide powerband and flat torque curve like the M5 is ideal for that (aint it always?). With a peakier car you have to be bang on with the 4-3 shift after the first left and the 3-2 shift after the second. I've tried staying in 3rd for the late apexer - you can get away with it in some cars and the car seems more stable in my twitchy hands.

iGav said:
I don't mind the DualShock to be honest, I've grown to like the analogue sticks, although I'm still not as precise as I was with just the buttons... I've nailed the 'left-foot' braking technique with my throttle thumb though... :D that makes life so much easier, especially when balancing a car in the fast corners.

I still haven't fully come to grips with the analog throttle - especially since the digital buttons are pressure sensitive. But the analogs give better control. I'm trying to use it more, but right now I'm still quicker with the buttons. My brother bought a pair of wireless Logitech Dual Shocks, but they feel weird in my hands after using the Sony controllers for...oh crap, it's been nearly 9 years now! :eek: :eek:

iGav said:
I'd love a wheel... but where would it stop? first you buy the wheel... then one starts thinking, 'I can't have the steering wheel, without a racing seat', then the next thing you know you're building yourself a replica of a racing car in your lounge :eek:

Don't laugh, I remember seeing ads by companies that will turn the front clip of a car of your choice into a driving simulator.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread a bit, I've never even seen Top Gear. Car-related shows in the US generally involve building customs for rap "artists" or hillbillys talking about NASCAR. :rolleyes:
 
Cool. :D Thanks.

I dunno if its ben mentioned before, but the best most recent TG moment is the trying to wreck the truck.. ;) man that made me laugh.. :p
 
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