The truth about Steve Jobs health !

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by fredsarran, Sep 10, 2008.

  1. fredsarran macrumors 6502

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    Hi,

    Since a while, I know that Steve Jobs is ill and not well (is it really cancer ?). I have seen some of his "keynotes" events where it was obvious he was ill but otherwise he was OK.

    In the last "keynote" event "Lets Rock" (09/09/08) he seemed really in a bad shape. Sure he is ill and not cured (even thought he says he is cured), he can still smile and speak about what he believes in, with some energy.

    I am not convinced that he is getting better. He is amazingly slim and weak (you can see the lack of strength in his arms, specially at the end when he is waving to the audience, in the last "keynote" event).

    Let resume : He has cancer and he is under treatment. Cancer can be rarely cured and if he could get cured, he would already be cured. Now he is weak from the cancer but as well from the treatment. We should all be worried that he could die soon (he does reassure the shareholders at the beginning of his last "keynote", about his health, but that is for business purposes).

    I believe, that he gets all his strength from, his family, but specially from Apple. The company that is part of him. Apple without him, is not Apple anymore.

    Has a "emotional and loving" fan of Apple, I am worried to what Apple will be without Steve Jobs. I admire this guy a lot.

    We should all get together, maybe making a list of names, to send to Apple, to show our gratitude and support towards Steve Jobs and the hard time that Apple will face at some point.

    Please comment and let me know.

    Long live Steve Jobs and Apple :apple: :)
     
  2. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Wow.
    You really have been suckling at the Kool-Aid keg… or perhaps just really naive.

    :rolleyes:

    SJ is no saint… just read up about him.

    Will Apple, Inc go under without him?
    If it does it deserves to.

    Ever thought that just perhaps Apple might be a better company without him and his freakish control?

    Why does everyone assume that when he goes it'll be Scully, Spindler and Amelio all over again.
     
  3. Yaboze macrumors 6502a

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    Steve has to be replaced one day, I just hope it's many years from now.

    I'm not sure what is going on with Steve, he is looking rather thin and frail lately. But, if he is going through with chemo, he'd most likely lose the hair he still has, so I don't think he is. He could be using another treatment, but nobody knows but him and his family.

    It seems that every appearance he is looking worse, but it's really his own personal business.

    People are concerned not because they are nosy, but people care about Steve and what he brings to Apple. Historically, Apple doesn't do too well without him, so I hope he has a good successor if needed and has drawn up long term plans for the company.
     
  4. rfrankl macrumors 6502

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    The truth? It just seems like your opinion to me. Are you a doctor?
     
  5. fredsarran thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You are right to some extent. I read a lot about him, even seen a movie about him.

    I think that he is a control freak and actually mean with charging nearly every thing Apple comes out with (software updates).

    But nevertheless, the company succeeded because of who he is. Apple reflects him. Without his "bad" side, the "good creative" side would be nothing.
     
  6. fredsarran thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yes it is my opinion. And I am looking for the truth :) And I do work in the Social Care sector as a therapist :)
     
  7. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604

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    You name 3 names who were Apple CEO's, and none of 'em could do it.

    Steve came back, and because of his control freakiness and vision, he was able to turn the cr@ppy Apple from the latter part of the century into one amazing company.
    Why do you think that an eventual Steve successor won't be a John Sculley again? Seemed such a gr8 move at the time...

    ATM Apple needs a "Steve". Someone bold enough to take on whatever seems impossible. Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X transition, PPC to Intel, "introduce another MP3 player to the market..", "try to get into the Cellphone business? crazy!!"
    Put a John Sculley there, and none of this would have happened because he listens to his shareholders, and doesn't want to swim upstream.

    Once Apple has grown hugely, and there are no more really new groundbreaking stuff to introduce... the Steve can pass it on to Phil, or Jonathan... or whoever. We need him now.
     
  8. Apple Corps macrumors 68030

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    How in the world do you know he is "not cured"??????

    The highly novel surgery that has been reported on re-routes portions of his digestive anatomy.

    The reported side effect - as explained by a UCLA surgeon - is an ongoing loss of weight around 15% - 20%. Add to that his vegan diet and he looks gaunt and much thinner than he used to.

    His interview with The New York Times was clear - the cancer has not returned. I'll go with what Steve and the medical experts in the field have reported.
     
  9. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he forced out when he left? I'd imagine that barring a similar incident in the future, when he does decide to leave of his own volition, he will be able to choose to whom he's passing the reins and can groom said person accordingly.
     
  10. arkitect macrumors 601

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    my point exactly.
    Why will it be doom and gloom and not well planned.

    That is why I say it doesn't mean a repeat of Sculley et al.
     
  11. WardC macrumors 68030

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    Well, I guess you can have a look and judge for yourselves, in my opinion - he is not looking that great and I hope the cancer doesn't get the best of him. Our thoughts are to Steve and his family, let's hope he's not really as sick as he appears to be.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Apple Corps macrumors 68030

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    The cancer was surgically removed and has not recurred - there are many many many cancer survivors.

    Lets not assume that Steve has an active cancer problem - I explained the side effects in my post.
     
  13. Apple Corps macrumors 68030

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    Steve's comment during a post event interview:

    "I'm doing fine, really," Jobs said, throwing out an off-hand remark that all recent rumors and speculation over his well-being was spawned by "hedge funds with a big short position in Apple."
     
  14. jaw04005 macrumors 601

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    He also mentioned he could stand to gain a few pounds. Talk about rehashing an issue over and over — Jobs has said repeatedly he's OK. You don't hear CNBC speculating that Steve Balmer has hypertension because he appears overweight, do you?

    Lord.
     
  15. fredsarran thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Well, sure he will say he is fine :) Can you see him saying he is not and soon to die ?? I would have said the same if I was at his place (especially if I was CEO of such a great company), that does not mean I am getting better or that the problem is resolved.
     
  16. rekhyt macrumors 65816

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    I think he is ok... Looks a bit thin though. In the first pic he looks like he is... Gritting his teeth?
     
  17. fredsarran thread starter macrumors 6502

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    It is often the treatment that kills, not the cancer itself.
     
  18. sishaw macrumors 65816

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    Because he's the one with the creative vision. Without his vision, Apple becomes an overpriced box. Those who do not learn from the past....
     
  19. Igantius macrumors 65816

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    re: another Sculley - it was Jobs that persuaded him to come over from Pepsi and Apple also suffered from their feuding.

    I think that's highly arguable and overlooks the far from visionary things Job did in his first spell at Apple - e.g. attempting to cancel the Macintosh project, making a lot of questionable decisions in the Lisa Project, the famous visit to Xerox PARC was orginally squashed by Jobs, he let his personal feelings get in the way with dealing with the legendary Jef Raskin (such as Jef's suggestion that Apple should visit PARC).

    Michael Malone's excellent, Infinite Loop is well worth a read for the good and bad.
     
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  21. fredsarran thread starter macrumors 6502

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    True :)
     
  22. Trip.Tucker Guest

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    Oh well since you work in the social care sector and have had access to his medical records, you MUST know the truth.
     
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    As anyone who'd got a nodding familiarity with cancer knows, nobody is considered "cured" of cancer until their risk of recurrence drops statistically to the level of the general population. This takes anywhere from five to ten years, depending on the type, size and location of the tumor. Until then, if you remain cancer-free, your cancer is considered to be "in remission." At this stage, I doubt very much that any oncologist is telling Steve Jobs that he has been "cured."
     
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  25. belvdr macrumors 603

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    That's interesting; I never knew that. Hopefully you're not speaking from experience.
     

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