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It’s gonna be a runaway success, at least as (apparently constrained) supply allows. It won’t be another Vision Pro (or even iPhone Air)-esque flop, and I think it’s time we collectively, for better or worse, face that fast-approaching reality.

I for one will be trading in my silver 256 GB 17 Pro Max for an equivalent Ultra (or whatever it shall be called) via Klarna 🙂
 
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Maybe but at the high price point, it may not take off in the long run.
Unless it can seriously beat out my $500 Google Pixel Fold, I will wait to see what it brings to the table.

As for the Vision Pro - agree - I was one of the first to buy it but it was a flop IMO and returned it.

iPhone Air - was awesome - since day 1 - super thin, titanium case, lightweight and feels so nice in hand.
Love my Air and eagerly waiting for Air 2.
 
Maybe but at the high price point, it may not take off in the long run.
That's exaclty it, even people who want a foldable phone might not want to pay that much.
As for the Vision Pro - agree - I was one of the first to buy it but it was a flop IMO and returned it.
What was the use case you bought it for if I may ask?
iPhone Air - was awesome - since day 1 - super thin, titanium case, lightweight and feels so nice in hand.
Back on subject, do you ever feel the screen is too small?
Love my Air and eagerly waiting for Air 2.
Wait, you are so happy with it that ... you are already thinking about replacing it?
 
...Klarna... Hmmm.
Yup, Klarna lease makes sense for those that want to upgrade every year or every other year.

Much lower payments due to a buy out OPTION at the end.

Those that want to keep it can buy it out or those that constantly want to upgrade can do so at a much lower monthly.
 
It’s gonna be a runaway success, at least as (apparently constrained) supply allows. It won’t be another Vision Pro (or even iPhone Air)-esque flop, and I think it’s time we collectively, for better or worse, face that fast-approaching reality.

I for one will be trading in my silver 256 GB 17 Pro Max for an equivalent Ultra (or whatever it shall be called) via Klarna 🙂
As long as I can continue purchasing slab-style iPhones instead, then it can be as much of a runaway success as whatever happens.

If Apple decides that the fold is now going to be the only style of iDevice they sell, then I'm out.
 
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These are dissimilar. The VP is very niche. A $$$ fold is common.

As for success or failure, these factors will probably determine this. They are similar in that they are expensive, and cutting edge stuff. Although the VP is ridiculous, so there's that.
 
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There’s no reason to believe that Apple’s foldable success relative to its standard slabs won’t be at least as good as Samsung’s, and they’ve found it sustainable enough to make many generations (and many versions each generation) of foldables.
 
There are differences between the Vision Pro and an iPhone that people continue to enjoy completely avoiding.

The iPhone Fold:
Has the iPhone brand
Will be sold in all Apple stores, carrier stores, and third-party retailers such as Amazon, Target, Best Buy, ETC.
Will have all of the trade-in offers, installment plans, carrier contracts, subsidies, and so on, that every other mobile phone that Apple sells currently has. It’s likely that the vast majority of customers will never actually see the retail price of this phone, and certainly will never pay that out of pocket all at once.


The Vision Pro:
Is a brand new product category for Apple, not an iPhone.
is literally only available in Apple stores, in limited countries.
requires someone to cough up $3700 all at once, or on a credit card.
Has absolutely no traded offers, carrier subsidies, installment plans, or any of the other mechanisms built into a mobile phone purchase.
Does not have an established market, massive application ecosystem, and 20 years of history behind it.
Is a massive blank for most customers, meanwhile, most customers know exactly what they will be using a mobile phone for.
Is a bulky headset that even fans agree can only be used for short bursts throughout the day, if that.
Requires an extremely complicated set up process involving an iPhone with face ID, and matching several accessories to the device that will fit your face. An iPhone does not have these barriers.


In short, the things are not comparable at all. It’s like comparing AirPods to a Studio Display XDR.


It’s also not really comparable to the iPhone mini, the mini was not beaten by cheaper options, the mini was beaten by bigger and more expensive options like the regular iPhone 12 and 13, and especially the Pro Max. It was a very easy choice for Apple to discontinue it, because it was literally the cheapest option. If there’s a $700 iPhone mini and people are still opting for the $1200 iPhone Pro Max, it’s pretty obvious what should be done.
The fold is coming from the opposite direction, even if it sells in lower numbers, it’s significantly more expensive, and more profitable, for Apple. Put another way, if Apple sells 10 million iPhone minis at around a 50% profit margin, that’s $3.5 Billion in profit.
Meanwhile, at $2000, with a 50% profit margin, 10 million iPhone folds is 10 Billion in profit.
For comparison, that’s almost double what the iPad, not just one iPad but the entire iPad line, brought in last quarter. It’s a significantly larger amount of money for Apple.

And that’s just for 2026. In a couple years, if Apple’s easily selling 20 million or 30 million foldable iPhones, the revenue they would be bringing in is similar to what they make every year on the Mac.
This same logic is applied to the iPhone Air as well, the iPhone Air is not losing to the cheaper options, it lost to the 17 Pro Max. A significantly more expensive option. Again, it’s the opposite with the fold. The fold is a more expensive option, the fold brings in more profit for Apple per unit, the fold helps increase the ASP for iPhones.
To be considered a failure that should be dropped for Apple, this thing has to be not just a failure, but a massive, massive failure on a scale that absolutely no one could even predict. I’m talking less than 1 million units, type of failure.
Considering that the latest galaxy folds literally broke preorder records for Samsung and had almost 2 million preorders, not just purchases but just preorders, I think Apple’s folding iPhone will do just fine.
 
Who is actually comparing these two?

Foldables: 20 million units were sold last year with literally half in China alone. A foldable iPhone is virtually guaranteed to succeed because China consistently sets mobile trends (just look at phablets, massive batteries, and multi-lens camera systems). Even if some Western markets drag their feet, China’s demand alone will make a iPhone Ultra sustainable. Foldables are already proven, and their ceiling is only getting higher.

Vision Pro: It's an isolating headset with a hip battery pack, no cellular modem, and no killer app. You can't even realistically wear it outdoors. It’s the ultimate loner device. Even Apple enthusiasts have a hard time justifying buying the thing. It only makes sense as a legacy vanity project for Tim Cook, but his era is over.
 
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Maybe but at the high price point, it may not take off in the long run.
Apple devotees are comprised of a wide variety of income levels. A large segment of which can easily afford to buy an iPhone Ultra outright without a second thought.

Many whom upgrade to the latest top of the line iPhone each year, do so to show off their material success, or to satisfy their narcissism.

To have and to show off the latest, most expensive iPhone is a big deal to these buyers.

Apple's brilliant use of FOMO, their elitist attitude towards Android phones, has allowed the company to enjoy massive profits.
 
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