The umpteenth reasoning on new Mac Pro

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by bengi, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. bengi, Jun 3, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2012

    bengi macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    Forbes, in the article in which they cite the Facebook Mac Pro petition group, reasons that it is not only the mobile Apple universe (iPod, iPad, iPhone) that drives consumers choice (i.e. I buy Apple computers because I like Apple mobile stuff) but also the other way round. I. e. if a user has to replace a Mac Pro with a PC, then his next laptop might be a Windows one. Then his next telephone will probably be an Android. Se there will be no need to replace the iPad with another one, but any tablet will be fine. Same fate for the iPods in the family.

    I personally come from the Mac since before the iPod and to tell the truth I have resisted a few years before jumping into the iPod, iPad, iPhone environment. I have used all Palm devices including the LifeDrive, a pathetic move to fight the iPod. Only recently with the iPhone 4, which replaced a Palm Centro, and the iPad, I decided it was time to give Apple mobile devices a try, and I like them. However, personally I don't know if I will keep buying Apple stuff if I can no longer buy Mac Pros.

    This is the Forbes article:

    I know the link has already been posted elsewhere, but here I would like to know how many of us came to the Mac after the iDevices and how many will stay in the iDevice market if Apple stops making theMac Pro. Thanks Concorde Rules for the link, which I had missed.

  2. Inconsequential macrumors 68000

    Sep 12, 2007
  3. beto2k7 macrumors 6502

    Jan 6, 2010
    Personally I think if the next generation of iOS devices come with a new connector (i.e. Thunderbolt) the Mac Pro is done. I mean... I would like to upgrade my iPhone to the newest one but if it comes with thunderbolt, there is no way I'm getting a new mac pro just so I can sync it. IMHO the Mac Pro is a goner.
  4. macuser453787 macrumors 6502a

    May 19, 2012
    Galatians 3:13-14
    I don't believe they will stop making it, but even if they did I might still buy an iPhone. I've never had one and currently use an Android phone.

    But in all fairness, I've been a Mac user since before "iWords" were even around (much less the iDevices), since way back in the late 80's when the computer labs at my high school consisted of Mac Plus's, SE's, SE40's, and a Mac II, running System v. something-or-other (maybe v. 4.x?), Aldus Pagemaker 3, Aldus Freehand 2, Font/DA Mover, Full Paint, Mac Paint etc., so I'm not necessarily qualified to answer the question as asked. :)
  5. bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    Font DA Mover got obsolete only with System 7 back in 1991!
  6. macuser453787 macrumors 6502a

    May 19, 2012
    Galatians 3:13-14
    And System 7 is when they started doing Multi Finder IIRC. Wow, the Mac has come a long way! :)
  7. bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    This my point. I believe that us, loyal Mac users for years, still represent a good
    percentage of buyers of Apple products, and if Apple forces us to switch than Apple looses the true aficionados.

    I want to say that we are a solid base of customers while those that have entered the Apple universe with the iDevices are less bound to Apple than we are.

    Apple of course knows this, but Apple also knows that to keep us they need to make good computers and good operative syetsmes, while the fight in the mobile arena is quite different: for instance there's a pletora of people moving back and forth between the Galaxi and the iPhone... never happened for us and System 7 and Windows 3.1!
  8. flatfoot macrumors 65816

    Aug 11, 2009
    There was no SE40, just an SE30. I had one back then...
  9. FrankHahn macrumors 6502a

    May 17, 2011
    My first Apple product was a 1987 Macintosh Plus on which I wrote up my thesis. Currently a 2010 Mac Pro is my main computer. I certainly hope that Apple continues with the Mac Pro line so that I can upgrade my Mac Pro in two or three years.
  10. bengi, Jun 4, 2012
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    bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
  11. macuser453787 macrumors 6502a

    May 19, 2012
    Galatians 3:13-14
    There ya go! That's what it was, the SE30. Not sure where I got SE40 from. Maybe I was remembering a 40mb hard drives on the SE's or something. Anyhoo, thanks! :)
  12. macuser453787 macrumors 6502a

    May 19, 2012
    Galatians 3:13-14
    Indeed. I agree, and I believe they will do well to keep their original market in mind, "niche" though it may be.

    Well, a case could probably be made that the market for such devices (Apple or otherwise) might tend to be kind of fickle these days in the sense that, generally speaking (but not to over-generalize by any means), attention spans aren't necessarily what they used to be. I imagine that sort of market dynamic can affect consumer loyalty to a brand/product. And it seems that this may dovetail with what you said below:

    Indeed. Seems like back in the day, there was a much clearer delineation between Mac and PC users (although that's somewhat of a misnomer - it's more like Mac or Windows users). I personally couldn't stand Windows at the time. Mac just seemed like more fun to use and had much more appeal. There was just a quality that Macs had that Windows PCs didn't have IMO. They were more personable, more friendly somehow.

    Macs are still that way for me, even though I'm comfortable using either platform these days. I truly enjoy the Mac experience, and I don't care that it costs more than a comparably equipped Windows machine (though obviously if they decided to drop their pricing I wouldn't complain!). :) I like Macs. Period. As long as Apple makes a tower model, whether it's called Mac Pro or something else, I will continue on with them - provided that Apple makes them well, of course. I won't spend that kind of money for a product that has a multitude of issues and doesn't work right. :)
  13. xgman macrumors 601


    Aug 6, 2007
    Just let the madness end and BRING IT ON ALREADY APPLE!!!!!
  14. bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    Well, whatever is the Mac Pro future, many say a whole new thing in 2013, the recent WWDC demontrated that the road to Facebbok and similar integration and iDevices is paved.
    I believe that Apple Computer, indeed the name computer has disappeared long ago, is something we all should forget.
    To me the situation and the feeling is similar to being loyal to that small grocery store just around the corner when the municipality had decided to build the ... unpteenth mall! Apple is no longer that small company that made good computers for the rest of us (1-5% of computer users, in 1980-1998).
    Apple is the biggest company in the world for mobile computing and iDevices. How can we still think that such a company will keep producing even computers!
    I feel sorry first for where the future is bringing us: people do not say a word when you meet and then write long posts on FB, the film photography is dead and now everybody keeps taking ugly photos that will never been printed and will never see a frame.
    iOS are useful and cool, but are we sure this is really what we want, shouldn't we start re-thinking differently and tell (yes, when we buy we have a very poverful vote) the companies that we do not want a new OS every 12 months, that we want to keep our car for 10 years, at last, that when we offer to our kids to play a soccer, or a football match they prefer it to the WII...
  15. FrankHahn macrumors 6502a

    May 17, 2011
    I felt so bad about the Mac Pro update that I immediately ordered an iPhone 4S!
  16. bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    Which feels the same as the 4.

    I switched a couple of weeks ago for compatibility with a Polar bluetooth 4 heart rate minitor and, except Siri, which under bad-medium 3G coverage is pretty useless, it feels exatcly like the 4. Same speed, same feedback, same thing.

    Really a bad moment for old macusers...
  17. bengi thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2011
    I still believe that the Pro sector brings so many customers to the iOS market that Apple, for the next few years, will keep producing the MacPro.

  18. JayJayAbels macrumors 6502


    May 15, 2012
    I know everyone's upset and angry about how Apple has handled the MacPro updates and information in general about its future.

    But simply put... iPhones and iPads will NEVER replace a desktop. Desktops will, in some form or another, always be a central piece of the tech puzzle. The IT industry is the largest growing industry... at least in America. Computers... especially desktops... are here to stay - at least in our lifetimes. The more technology progresses the more openings there will be for experts in the field. Whether it's audio or video or animation... the professional users will only increase in droves from here on out.

    Apple most certainly will NOT abandon these users. They are a big part of the future of tech. A HUGE part. And Apple is absolutely aware of it.

    Now I know it seems like they're being too silent about everything... they are. They should instill a bit more confidence in the users of their pro platforms. No doubt about that.

    But it's not just about what's "hot" right now... it's NOT about the present. It's about the future and Apple is the kind of company that takes the "future" very seriously.

    They want the iPhone to be EVERY individuals personal phone.
    They want the iPad to be EVERY individuals personal tablet.
    They want the iPod to be EVERY individuals personal deejay.
    They want EVERY household to utilize an iMac as their centerpiece of tech.
    And they want EVERY recording/video/animation studio to use a MacPro.

    And their mission is to simply... integrate it all. (Watch for Apple TV).

    Apple is first... and foremost... a computer company. Whether it's tiny computers like the iPhone or the powerhouses like the Pro. They are all computers. This is what Apple does. This IS what Apple does... WELL.

    Yeah... they've made a TON of money on iOS. To them... the way they think about that is... why can't we do the same with ALL of our products? I guarantee it.

    The future is synergy from the iCloud on "down". I'd bet my left nut that you will all see an amazing new powerful, innovative, professional line of computers... some time in 2013.

    That kind of optimism may not help you right now... I get it. I was an audio engineer who owned and operated a professional studio. I get it.

    But I really believe the future is bright so long as they stay focused and keep their eyes on the prize of total tech integration. From iPhones on up.

    I wish I was more optimistic though...


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