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"The University" vs. "University" Which do you use?

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dogslobber said:
A school is a learning academy that a child goes to. Higher education is not done at a school. This is as daft as saying "you could of" or "intensive purposes" or "you could care less". Such English, for that's what we speak/type here, terms in American language are just plain wrong.
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Well, I got my PhD from "The Graduate School of Arts & Sciences" at a particular university.

In casual conversation, I've had many people ask, "What school is your degree from?" It doesn't bother me at all.

Also, on the Canadian "College" usage -- if I'm not mistaken, at least in Ontario (where I spent the most time) there were any number of what in the US we'd call "high schools" that called themselves "colleges," and not to put on airs. It was widely accepted. I learned this the hard when when dealing with an athletic event that had both high schools and universities computing. I moved a team from "XX college" into the university category, bad mistake.
 
dogslobber said:
A school is a learning academy that a child goes to. Higher education is not done at a school. This is as daft as saying "you could of" or "intensive purposes" or "you could care less". Such English, for that's what we speak/type here, terms in American language are just plain wrong.
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You are incorrect. A school is any institution at which instruction is given in a particular discipline. While a university is NOT a school, it is a collection of schools, and therefore, when adults talk about school, they are often referring to university.

Edit: Now that I think about it, most people describe pre collegiate school with a descriptor, AKA High School, Grade School, Intermediate school

School is almost always professional school or college
 
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AustinIllini said:
You are incorrect. A school is any institution at which instruction is given in a particular discipline. While a university is NOT a school, it is a collection of schools, and therefore, when adults talk about school, they are often referring to university.

Edit: Now that I think about it, most people describe pre collegiate school with a descriptor, AKA High School, Grade School, Intermediate school

School is almost always professional school or college
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I think regional and contextual differences play a role in that as well where sometimes in some places "school" primarily or at least initially carries an association with higher education, while in other instances it would be primarily or at least initially associated with lower education.
 
Unless otherwise stated I'm sure everyone associates school with higher education ... Unless you did not go to a Univeristy/College I think this is a more direct translation of what you said C DM
 
dogslobber said:
A school is a learning academy that a child goes to. Higher education is not done at a school. This is as daft as saying "you could of" or "intensive purposes" or "you could care less". Such English, for that's what we speak/type here, terms in American language are just plain wrong.
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Tell that to the dozen or so "schools" within the university were I work.

I suppose the folks at the "school of medicine" would be bothered to know that the university is incorrect to refer to that particular sub-unit as the "school of medicine."
 
bunnspecial said:
Tell that to the dozen or so "schools" within the university were I work.

I suppose the folks at the "school of medicine" would be bothered to know that the university is incorrect to refer to that particular sub-unit as the "school of medicine."
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Why is this so hard for y'all?

Here it is in plain English:

  1. University
  • Faculty
  • Department

Simple, yes? You can cite me on that! I never went to the school of life nor the college of life. I went to the university of Life.
 
dogslobber said:
Why is this so hard for y'all?

Here it is in plain English:

  1. University
  • Faculty
  • Department

Simple, yes? You can cite me on that! I never went to the school of life nor the college of life. I went to the university of Life.
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Yes, spoken like a true simpleton....
 
dogslobber said:
Why is this so hard for y'all?

Here it is in plain English:

  1. University
  • Faculty
  • Department

Simple, yes? You can cite me on that! I never went to the school of life nor the college of life. I went to the university of Life.
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That is an oversimplification of how most Universities are structured.

Most have schools and/or colleges which then typically have departments under their control.

Again, the distinction between a "University" and "College" in a more general sense is the fact that a University has the organizational structure described above.

If you have such a problem with universities having "schools", perhaps you could write these folks(just picking one at random) and tell them about how wrong they are

http://louisville.edu/speed/
 
dogslobber said:
Why try to insult me?
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I'm not insulting you just making an observation... Just doing a play on words as you are trying to do with school.... Here is the bottom line you're wrong... If "school" is not for higher education why did my wife go Duke University "School" of Medicine or why I went to UNC Kenan-Flagler Business "School" .... These are just examples to help make my point... The point is no matter what you call a college/Univeristy that you go to for undergrad, once you graduate you apply to a "GRADUATE SCHOOL" if that is not higher education I do not know what is
 
Itzmemark said:
I'm not insulting you just making an observation... Just doing a play on words as you are trying to do with school.... Here is the bottom line you're wrong... If "school" is not for higher education why did my wife go Duke University "School" of Medicine or why I went to UNC Kenan-Flagler Business "School" .... These are just examples to help make my point... The point is no matter what you call a college/Univeristy that you go to for undergrad, once you graduate you apply to a "GRADUATE SCHOOL" if that is not higher education I do not know what is
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Of course you try insult me. Now you try to be cleverer about it with qualification. I've never heard of Duke before. Is that like the University of Phoenix?

If you've got a beef with the naming of a university, you should write to them, per bunnspecial's suggestion.
 
dogslobber said:
Of course you try insult me. Now you try to be cleverer about it with qualification. I've never heard of Duke before. Is that like the University of Phoenix?

If you've got a beef with the naming of a university, you should write to them, per bunnspecial's suggestion.
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You've never heard of Duke before, you must be joking.... Also I was just talking to a colleague of mine from England who went to the London "School" of Business ... From what he tells me that is a best graduate school in England... And at first I was not trying to insult you instead poke a little fun but now yes take it as it is an insult...
 
Itzmemark said:
You've never heard of Duke before, you must be joking.... Also I was just talking to a colleague of mine from England who went to the London "School" of Business ... From what he tells me that is a best graduate school in England... And at first I was not trying to insult you instead poke a little fun but now yes take it as it is an insult...
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Duke sounds fake but the internet says otherwise so I'll give you 2 points. Why would you assume folk have heard of such a place? I'm sure lots of people would not agree that LSE is the "best" graduate establishment in England but it's amongst the top half dozen I suppose. I couldn't possibly take it as an insult. That would be robbery.
 
dogslobber said:
Duke sounds fake but the internet says otherwise so I'll give you 2 points. Why would you assume folk have heard of such a place? I'm sure lots of people would not agree that LSE is the "best" graduate establishment in England but it's amongst the top half dozen I suppose. I couldn't possibly take it as an insult. That would be robbery.
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I like how you abbreviated London School of Economics then called it an "establishment" ...
 
dogslobber said:
Why is this so hard for y'all?

Here it is in plain English:

  1. University
  • Faculty
  • Department
Simple, yes? You can cite me on that! I never went to the school of life nor the college of life. I went to the university of Life.
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You can't use "y'all" and then correct our "plain English"

I don't know why you're so upset we have a different opinion from you.
 
dogslobber said:
Duke sounds fake but the internet says otherwise so I'll give you 2 points. Why would you assume folk have heard of such a place?
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As much as it pains me to say it, Duke is probably one of the most prestigious schools in the United States. I'd almost think you'd have to live under a rock in the US to not have heard of it. Their research and academics are world class, although their athletics program remains a mortal enemy around here :)

Even here in po'dunk Kentucky, saying "Duke" will get a response from 99.9% of the people in the state. Granted, it generally won't be a positive response :) (search Youtube for "Christian Laetner-The Shot" for par of the reason why).
 
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bunnspecial said:
As much as it pains me to say it, Duke is probably one of the most prestigious schools in the United States. I'd almost think you'd have to live under a rock in the US to not have hear of it. Their research and academics are world class, although their athletics program remains a mortal enemy around here :)

Even here in po'dunk Kentucky, saying "Duke" will get a response from 99.9% of the people in the state. Granted, it generally won't be a positive response :) (search Youtube for "Christian Laetner-The Shot" for the reason why).
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Thank you for saying this... I couldn't bring myself to saying it, my wife would never let me live it down.. I also think it means more coming from any other person....
 
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