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The Whining Bloggers Won. Apple Overreacted. Consumers Lost.
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New and pretty, yes. Clean, I don't think so. There's too much going on visually. Things feel busy -- my eyes don't know where to focus. All the thin lines on the new control icons, like the back and forward arrows, the box with the line through the middle that is the sharing icon, they are very distracting, and pull me away from the content I want to be looking at. It's like they made the icons very thin and light with thin lines and no shading, then used very bright colors to make sure they can be seen, but now the color is so bright you can't ignore them. Thicker lines with duller shades may look dowdy, but they don't encroach on your attention until you need them.
I don't think ANYBODY did not want change, I myself was expecting something incredible seeing that this was supposedly being done by one of the best designers on Earth. What I wasn't expecting was some crude, hideous, rainbow brite looking new theme that looks like a kindergarden class drew it up with crayons, that is what people have issues with.
It's also baffling seeing how Apple always touts the gorgeous retina display, and then gives us a new OS with 7 colors.
A stale OS needs change, change for the better, not change for the worse. People like to talk about it being "fresh", and new, and how that will somehow draw in more people, well, just imagine how many more people it would draw in if it actually LOOKED GOOD. This shouldn't be an issue, it looks horrendous, and Apple has to fix it, period.
It's also baffling seeing how Apple always touts the gorgeous retina display, and then gives us a new OS with 7 colors.
A stale OS needs change, change for the better, not change for the worse. People like to talk about it being "fresh", and new, and how that will somehow draw in more people, well, just imagine how many more people it would draw in if it actually LOOKED GOOD. This shouldn't be an issue, it looks horrendous, and Apple has to fix it, period.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I was impressed when I saw the keynote. It was only when I installed the beta and started using it that I started running into problems.
I'm sure that there are many new APIs and other features that are very exciting for developers and opens up possibilities for new and better apps. I'm just afraid I won't be able to take advantage of them if some of the problems with iOS 7 doesn't get cleared up -- right now it really is literally giving me a headache, because the visual effects are exhausting to my eyes.
I can't believe people would want to go back to iOS 6 where there is no quick toggles for commonly used settings, worse multitasking, no airdrop, etc. The haters seem to be focusing exclusively on the look of the new UI. But since this was a major overhaul in like 6 months I suspect some of that will change/improve prior to iOS 7 shipping, and probably even after. For me the new features/functionality improvements (that we didn't get from Jobs & Forstall) are most important.
Cutting Apple some slack knowing this is beta one of basically a new OS redesigned in 6 months or so isn't having fanboy blinders on. Had Apple released iOS 7 looking very similar to iOS 6 I think the reaction would have been much worse. I don't think they could afford to wait until iOS 8 to roll out something new. Also I don't think enough people have used it for an extended period of time (if at all) to form a solid opinion of it. I see a lot of knee jerk reactions based on screen shots or very limited use of beta 1 software. Let's see what people's opinions are 2-3 months from now.
Cutting Apple some slack knowing this is beta one of basically a new OS redesigned in 6 months or so isn't having fanboy blinders on. Had Apple released iOS 7 looking very similar to iOS 6 I think the reaction would have been much worse. I don't think they could afford to wait until iOS 8 to roll out something new. Also I don't think enough people have used it for an extended period of time (if at all) to form a solid opinion of it. I see a lot of knee jerk reactions based on screen shots or very limited use of beta 1 software. Let's see what people's opinions are 2-3 months from now.
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The OPs goal was to make sure more people read his ego stroking pontifications.
Then why havn't you bought an Android and left MacRumors?
See, I'm thinking that the new features and functions we got are exactly the kind of incremental improvements we've been getting in iOS from version 1 (when it was called iPhone OS) on. And I'm feeling resentful because I think if they hadn't wasted time and effort updating the look, they could have added a few more actual features and functions.
iOS 7 is here to stay. Sure it will change as we progress through the beta process (Apple have actually said it will) but the fundamental design will remain as it is now.
I personally love it - it's fresh, current and the animations are relevant and fluid (most of the time). I can't wait for beta 2.
I personally love it - it's fresh, current and the animations are relevant and fluid (most of the time). I can't wait for beta 2.
No no no! The new features like quick settings and air drop are much appreciated! It's just the look that I find troubling, and the look isn't elegant or classy as Apple design is known for.
And this whole "they only had 6 months or so to do this" makes little sense to me, some of the beautiful themes made for jailbroken iPhones, that have 10 times the detail, have been created in far less time, by one dude in his spare time. Surely Apple, could do better with their mammoth resources, no?
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I didn't mean clean as in non-distracting or minimalist. I meant it as in neat. compare android 2.2 to 4. newer os's just look neater. everything is smoothed over. same with ios 2.0 to 4.0, or 3gs to 4. sharper images make things neater and more attractive.
thats what ios 7 does i think. You are looking at it maybe academically. or forcing yourself to consciously think of things that are distracting. thats not how the average consumer will look at it. an average consumer doesn't care if you call this industrial design, or if its designed by forstall or ive. they don't care if this is flat or not. they don't care if its messy design to have three overlapping layers. they just are attracted to certain qualities they can't describe. its the job of a good designer to know those qualities. do you think ive is at apple because he thinks purely in terms of design? no...he thinks about the monetary aspect of what will appeal to the human eye as well to sell devices.
and in that way, ios 7 is a home run. it will sell like hot cakes. iphone 5s will just be a rehashed iphone 5. but its the freshness of ios 7 that will sell it.
I do tend to analyze things "academically," as you put it, but I'm not forcing myself to look for things that are distracting. I'm just using iOS 7 and finding myself feeling distracted, then trying to analyze why I feel distracted.
And I like Ive's hardware designs, and really wanted to like his attempt at GUI design.
I do agree that iOS 7 looks attractive, and it will sell. Whether people will like it once they use it, and come back for more and recommend it to their friends? Well, time will tell!
I'm still hoping that the problems I'm having will be cleared up during the beta process, or that I can get used to the changes -- it's not like Android or Windows offer any better alternatives, either!
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Really a straw-man argument here. How many people are saying that just because they don't like iOS 7 they want to stay on 6 forever? I think what a lot of people are saying is that they wanted change and improvement, but they don't think iOS 7 has gone in the right direction.
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yeah thats the main thing...the alternatives.
I like wp8 the way it looks, but its just not a popular enough alternative. I need apps, OS support, etc.
I have an android 4.2.2 device as a travel phone, and its nice to messa round with when i get an itch to just use something else, but it offers nowhere close to the smooth unincumbered experience of iOS.
Also not OS related, but apples hardware support appeals to me too. I' travel a lot and can be anywhere in the world if i lose a phone, buy a new one, restore. boom. got everything back. or if something breaks down, take it to an apple store, instant fix or replacement. can't beat that.
I have a great idea.
Lets all participate in a discussion forum and not create new posts and not express opinions.
BJ
The world is a big place. While as a whole it may evolve, some parts go in a direction that leads to obsolescence & stagnation as other parts flourish. The key is predicting the right course. Apple has been doing a good job so far. I hope their choice of direction proves to be correct.
Read this :
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/12/chock
iOS 7 will get better, it wont stand still.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/12/chock
iOS 7 will get better, it wont stand still.
As someone who is using the beta as my daily driver, reading the FUD in these threads about how "chaotic" and "confusing" the OS is is hilarious. Underneath it all, it is still iOS. There isn't a whole lot new or different to learn.
My guess is that the majority of complainers don't have hands-on experience and are going solely by screenshots and/or what they read on some blog.
The sky is not falling and Apple is not doomed.
My guess is that the majority of complainers don't have hands-on experience and are going solely by screenshots and/or what they read on some blog.
The sky is not falling and Apple is not doomed.
Windows 8 does the same underneath and it suffers the same problem.
People are not stupid. The change is a bad one many people agree like it or not.
The people who like it can't seem to understand some people hate the colouring, icons, Android screen ect..watch as my phone is going on ebay !
Meanwhile, outside of the tech bubble, people are genuinely excited about iOS, judging from what I see on various social networks.
Tech blogs and tech people will never change; it's their job to overreact and create sensationalistic headlines - that's what they did with Maps and that's what they'll do with iOS7. It's just a sign of their increasing irrelevance.
Tech blogs and tech people will never change; it's their job to overreact and create sensationalistic headlines - that's what they did with Maps and that's what they'll do with iOS7. It's just a sign of their increasing irrelevance.
Until iOS 6, iOS was magnificent. Rich. Luxurious. Extravagant. Exuberant. AMAZING. INCREDIBLE in a word! Its aesthetic had no match.
The whining bloggers started complaining about Leather and Felt. Two apps that needed fixing, that was it. Then they jumped onto 'Skeuomorphism' bandwagon just because of Leather stitching and Contacts apps being like realworld counterparts. It was actually not that big of an issue.
Apple Overreacted. Removing everything that could be associated to the real-world. Like Reflections. Gloss. Shadows. Stripes. Textures. Colors. A reflective dock. Sign boards in Maps. Even Buttons, couldn't be saved.
Now all iOS 7 is, strictly speaking appearance-wise, obnoxiously ugly. Headache inducing. Every app looks the same, like it was put together the last minute. White everywhere. No shadows. Hard to read text. So much that it alienates the loyal and familiar iOS audience.
In the end, the bloggers successfully managed to bring down iPhone's OS aesthetic to 'just another Andriod-looking OS'. iOS has lost all it's character and richness. Everything feels dumbed-down and subdued.
iOS 6 sucked, it will be that one updated that Apple will want to forget about. Look how many 'quick fixes' were pushed afterwards.
I feel bad for the devices stuck on it.