The Woman Without A Face

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  1. skunk macrumors G4

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-creates-phantom-serial-killer-1655375.html
    Oops!
     
  2. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Great story :). It's amazing how easy it is to contaminate things with DNA, bacteria, etc etc. Certainly not something for the German Medical Supply company worker to put on the C.V. :D!

    This does show a complete lack of quality control both at the level of the company and with the forensics team(s) not running sufficient negative controls. Shamefully neglectful at both ends and something that undermines the public confidence in such evidence.

    p.s. Does the €3m get awarded now she's been identified ;)?
     
  3. OutThere macrumors 603

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    I feel like (particularly in America) this could spur some kind of upwelling of felons convicted by DNA whose lawyers want to try to counter the evidence. :eek:
     
  4. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Love it! Couldn't have written a better story.

    But after 15 years ... either the French are using some really old swabs or the same employee was contaminating them for years!
     
  5. Tomorrow macrumors 604

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    If ever this were appropriate, it's now:
     

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  6. allmIne macrumors 6502a

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    I was expecting a woman without an actual face!

    Is it wrong that I'm disappointed?

    :eek:
     
  7. andiwm2003 macrumors 601

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    i followed that story for a while. it's hilarious (aside of the fact that there are real crimes and real victims).

    I hope they women goes public and becomes a youtube star or something like that. this story needs to be in the media for a while to highlight the failure in good laboratory practices.
     
  8. Ivan P macrumors 68030

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    That's exactly what I was expecting too... :eek:
     
  9. MyDesktopBroke macrumors 6502

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    The women who contaminated the swaps is actually the killer!!
     
  10. velocityg4 macrumors 68040

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    She may be the most diabolical they have come across. Contaminating swabs obviously unrelated so they can never pin it on her.
     
  11. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    This part doesn't make sense. Fifteen years is a long time for either to have occurred.

    I had the same thought.

    Wouldn't that be a story.
     
  12. Veldek macrumors 68000

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    This is what I thought about, too, when I heard about it. The woman could have done anything she wanted (in fact there were many more cases where this DNA was found like broken garden houses, which had the police already wonder how these could fit together) and the DNA couldn't have been used as a proof.

    There was another case where someone stole jewels from a mall in Berlin. The police found the DNA and arrested two brothers from which this DNA originated. Problem is, these were identical twinks, so both have the same DNA (on the level that can be used for criminal investigation). As the police cannot say which of the brothers did it, or if it were both (most probably), the proof isn't sufficient, so they had to let them go, although it's clear that it's at least one of them. Of course, they're still looking for other proof...

    More info about the above case: the company who made the swabs says, they never said that their product could be used for DNA sampling. It's not clear at the moment whose fault this is.
     
  13. themoonisdown09 macrumors 601

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    The next time I make a coding mistake at work, I'll remember to look back on this story.
     
  14. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Oops.

    If true, talk about your classic screw up.
     
  15. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    If that's true, the whole thing is even more bizarre. What are the odds of all these various police departments using swabs that aren't even qualified for DNA sampling?
     
  16. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Hadn't even thought about this fact. Maybe they have a central purchasing office?

    This story gets weirder all the time.
     
  17. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    For various police departments throughout Europe? Seems unlikely. Maybe the swab company advertised the swabs for police work, but is now trying to wrangle out of their liability on a technicality. Something like, "we never stated they were for DNA collection, we meant that they were suitable for cleaning police officers' ears."
     
  18. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Agree.

    But when government entities are involved you never know. :)

    Interesting possibility.
     
  19. Mr. lax macrumors 6502

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    Me too... :(
     
  20. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    I must confess, that was my first thought too. :eek:

    Such a woman would make a formidable opponent in a game of poker.
     

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