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iapplelove

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So today while at work my phone went off. Assuming it was another spam call I went to tap ignore.

Went to look at the screen and saw it was Apple Inc??

Normally I never pick up but decided to today. It was a voice recording telling me some Apple servers were compromised and to call Apple immediately.

They gave me another random number to call to find out more info. I didn’t hear the last 4 of the number so I called Apple directly. Changed my password in the process.

Turns out Apple never calls lol... and said that it was spoofing and happens all the time.

I’m pretty savvy but was ready to call that bogus number back if I heard the entire thing.

Feel bad for the folks that will fall for stuff like this.
 
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I think when these scammers are found, they need to be charged with a felony.
The RCMP raided a few places in India who scammed Canadians out of millions.

They should be forced to work at extremely low wages and pay back every penny. Throwing them in jail or death is too easy.
 

iapplelove

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Looking down at my phone showing Apple calling on the ID was pretty convincing at first. Then it hit me after a few minutes. Still didn’t know they could spoof Apples main number.
 

1rottenapple

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So today while at work my phone went off. Assuming it was another spam call I went to tap ignore.

Went to look at the screen and saw it was Apple Inc??

Normally I never pick up but decided to today. It was a voice recording telling me some Apple servers were compromised and to call Apple immediately.

They gave me another random number to call to find out more info. I didn’t hear the last 4 of the number so I called Apple directly. Changed my password in the process.

Turns out Apple never calls lol... and said that it was spoofing and happens all the time.

I’m pretty savvy but was ready to call that bogus number back if I heard the entire thing.

Feel bad for the folks that will fall for stuff like this.
I got this too. It shows up as apple but it’s a scammer spoofing. Amazing what these scammers can go to great lengths.
 
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All scammers should be strung up by their feet and suffer 100 lashes!
They are the lowest of lows.
 

jtara

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The RCMP raided a few places in India who scammed Canadians out of millions
I do not think the RCMP sent Mounties to India. Or even to Indiana. (I presume the Orange One would stop them at the border...)

I suspect they secured the cooperation of the Indian authorities.

Still didn’t know they could spoof Apples main number.
They can spoof ANY number. VOIP services all provide the ability to spoof numbers. It's a necessity, if you use a VOIP service, and want to receive callbacks on your own number instead of the outgoing line from the VOIP provider.

I'd guess that SOME VOIP providers actually vet the numbers, to insure they really are yours. I suspect most don't.

There is NOTHING secure about caller-ID!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing

NEVER give ANY personal information out on an incoming call. The caller ID means N O T H I N G! Call back on a published number.

There is "another" caller ID that is (supposed to be) secure. (Forget what it's called, help me out here!) It's the one provided to the dispatcher when you call 911, and the one used for billing. Unfortunately, it's not available to consumers. It is available to 911 as well as to inbound 800 services. In the case of a VOIP call, this number will be set to the outbound number of the VOIP service.

I don't know who falls for these scams. Generally, I can't understand a word they are saying, their English grammar and accent are so bad.

Occasionally, you get a good one. Some are careful to use the exact wording that company reps use in scripts, and might even play a company jingle. DON'T BELIEVE IT!
 
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Looking down at my phone showing Apple calling on the ID was pretty convincing at first. Then it hit me after a few minutes. Still didn’t know they could spoof Apples main number.
It's called no masking, i got done for $250 last year by someone posing as a person from a company i actually use, it was the company no showing i even rang it back to check, got it refunded through my bank, they scammed a lot of business that use the company.
 
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1rottenapple

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I do not think the RCMP sent Mounties to India. Or even to Indiana. (I presume the Orange One would stop them at the border...)

I suspect they secured the cooperation of the Indian authorities.



They can spoof ANY number. VOIP services all provide the ability to spoof numbers. It's a necessity, if you use a VOIP service, and want to receive callbacks on your own number instead of the outgoing line from the VOIP provider.

I'd guess that SOME VOIP providers actually vet the numbers, to insure they really are yours. I suspect most don't.

There is NOTHING secure about caller-ID!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing

NEVER give ANY personal information out on an incoming call. The caller ID means N O T H I N G! Call back on a published number.

There is "another" caller ID that is (supposed to be) secure. (Forget what it's called, help me out here!) It's the one provided to the dispatcher when you call 911, and the one used for billing. Unfortunately, it's not available to consumers. It is available to 911 as well as to inbound 800 services. In the case of a VOIP call, this number will be set to the outbound number of the VOIP service.

I don't know who falls for these scams. Generally, I can't understand a word they are saying, their English grammar and accent are so bad.

Occasionally, you get a good one. Some are careful to use the exact wording that company reps use in scripts, and might even play a company jingle. DON'T BELIEVE IT!
These are automated. So they can scam 100,000 of people or million. All you need is 0.5% and it’s food profit. Probably takes them a few minutes to generate these calls.
 

Relentless Power

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So today while at work my phone went off. Assuming it was another spam call I went to tap ignore.

Went to look at the screen and saw it was Apple Inc??

Normally I never pick up but decided to today. It was a voice recording telling me some Apple servers were compromised and to call Apple immediately.

They gave me another random number to call to find out more info. I didn’t hear the last 4 of the number so I called Apple directly. Changed my password in the process.

Turns out Apple never calls lol... and said that it was spoofing and happens all the time.

I’m pretty savvy but was ready to call that bogus number back if I heard the entire thing.

Feel bad for the folks that will fall for stuff like this.
I’m amazed at the scam calls that I receive weekly, and I don’t even distribute my phone number really to anyone or any company, which try to spoof a national number to make it appear it’s a local number when they call you. Anyways, I actually answer spam calls, and the reason why, if they’re calling to waste my time, then I will entertain them with whatever ridiculous information I can come up with to waste their time as well (They get so mad at this). I know I could simply ignore the phone call, I only do this, because I want them to know that they _will_not_ outsmart me and the ‘Do not call list’ is basically nonexistent in today’s world of fraudulent calling.
 
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Good that you didn’t fall for it OP. These fake calls are usually as easy to spot as phishing emails.
 
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1rottenapple

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I’m amazed at the scam calls that I receive weekly, and I don’t even distribute my phone number really to anyone or any company, which try to spoof a national number to make it appear it’s a local number when they call you. Anyways, I actually answer spam calls, and the reason why, if they’re calling to waste my time, then I will entertain them with whatever ridiculous information I can come up with to waste their time as well (They get so mad at this). I know I could simply ignore the phone call, I only do this, because I want them to know that they _will_not_ outsmart me and the ‘Do not call list’ is basically nonexistent in today’s world of fraudulent calling.
The problem with that thinking is your number gets resold to more and more spammers as someone who will actually pick up the call. One of the staff does that too lol but unless you do it for fun it won’t stop them. They will actually mark you as someone who picks up the phone which is way better than someone who doesn’t. When I accidentally pick up a phone (I’m expecting an important call), I notice a huge uptick in spam calls thereafter.
 
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iapplelove

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Good that you didn’t fall for it OP. These fake calls are usually as easy to spot as phishing emails.
Normally I wouldn’t think twice. In fact I have received calls from random numbers in the past saying my iCloud was hacked or my windows computer has a virus. I just delete the messages and move on.

This one was a first for me, showing Apple as the caller. Took me a few minutes to realize Apple never calls.
 
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Just remember, Apple doesn't cold call you. As well as most other companies. :p
How about IRS. They called to tell me was a warrant out for my arrest.

First big tip off is the heavy Indian accent. Other is the background noise of several hundred other people speaking on phones. IRS enforcement office must be busy. :rolleyes:
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Just remember, Apple doesn't cold call you. As well as most other companies. :p
So you saying Tim won’t be calling me?
 

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How about IRS. They called to tell me was a warrant out for my arrest.

First big tip off is the heavy Indian accent. Other is the background noise of several hundred other people speaking on phones. IRS enforcement office must be busy. :rolleyes:
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So you saying Tim won’t be calling me?
The IRS doesn't cold call you either though, they would send a letter. Most companies, DO NOT cold call you. Sadly no, Tim wouldn't call to see how you are enjoying your new iPhone purchase.
 

1rottenapple

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Normally I wouldn’t think twice. In fact I have received calls from random numbers in the past saying my iCloud was hacked or my windows computer has a virus. I just delete the messages and move on.

This one was a first for me, showing Apple as the caller. Took me a few minutes to realize Apple never calls.
That’s what my experience. It had apple so I picked up. Then they called me 3 more times but I let it go to voicemail
 
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Relentless Power

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The problem with that thinking is your number gets resold to more and more spammers as someone who will actually pick up the call. One of the staff does that too lol but unless you do it for fun it won’t stop them. They will actually mark you as someone who picks up the phone which is way better than someone who doesn’t. When I accidentally pick up a phone (I’m expecting an important call), I notice a huge uptick in spam calls thereafter.
You’re right, I actually never thought of this, by picking up the phone, it is likely documented, which in theory, is more times for them to call me. I don’t receive too many scam calls, it seems to be dependent on the week, sometimes it’s hardly at all, other times it might be more frequent, but nonetheless, I agree that I probably shouldn’t answer the phone if I have no intention of talking with them, but nonetheless, it does humor me to waste their time as much as they try to waste mine.