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Think Apple will release another G4 powerbook before it brings on the G5?
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bertagert said:
Thanks for the 'tar comment. Doctor Q pointed it out in a thread and I grabbed it.
I really hope you're right about the "Freescale in Fall" prediction. I just hope, if it does happen, the first rev. isn't riddled with problems. By the way, are G4 chips and Freescale chips pin-compatible? Anyone know?
Squire
Squire said:
I have heard from one of my good friends that they will not be pin compatible, and that they will need a complete mobo redesign equivalent to the G4->G5 powermac redesign.
But he is a complete idiot so who knows.
Squire said:
Yes it is (for the E600 anyway. This is the chip that will scale beyond 2ghz). Here's the
Freescale link. Scroll down to the E600 info and it will say
The second part of that is the interesting part. Hopefully it will come sooner than later.
I just want Apple's laptops to hang with the wintel's dothan chip offerings (which I must say is a pretty nice chip right now). Only time will tell. Rememeber that this whole freescale off-shoot from Moto is going through its paces right now. Who really knows what's going on over there. For all we know, the E600 & E700 processors could be a pipe dream. Lets cross fingers and toes that is not.
aricher said:
why not putting the L3 cache back? the cpu is starving and the L3 did wonderful job in virtually speeding up the fsb. i notice this starvation in using protools, which has strict real-time requirements.
the 667MHz (dvi) powerbook with L3 cache performed better than a 867MHz 12" revA powerbook without L3 cache - bus speed being the same 133MHz in both the computers. that's a fact: in protools use the L3 cache can bring a 33% performance boost, which is huge in my opinion.
i could live with another G4 powerbook revision if they reintroduced the L3 cache. without it i cannot justify upgrading this 1.25GHz powerbook which performs almost equally than the 1.5GHz version. the 20% cpu clock boost is not showing in the real-world performance without the L3 cache.
I guess another question to be asked would be: Will Apple put the next generation G4 (e600) into the current form factor, therefore considering the next update just a speed bump or will they change the form factor with the next revision? If the answer turns out to be new form factor, we'll know for sure we won't see PB G5 for a long time. One thing seems to be clear, though: Neither the PPC 970 nor the 970FX will ever make it into a laptop. So as longs as IBM does not/cannot produce a PPC 97X that runs cool enough, the G4 (including e600) will survive as Apple's notebook CPU.
the titanium form factor i believe saw four revisions - aluminum is currently on its third incarnation (or second in 15" model), so i would guess the next revision uses the "old" aluminum enclosure.
when they begin to sell G5 (or whatever post-G4) laptops they might change the case again. not before, hopefully.
when they begin to sell G5 (or whatever post-G4) laptops they might change the case again. not before, hopefully.
JFreak said:
they like to drag things out dont they? The G4 has got to be just about running out of steam from a performance and marketing standpoint, doesnt it?
Now that I think about their scheduling for the TiBooks and now the AluBooks, I can totally see Apple come out with a PB G5 next MWSF. It's been the place where they change the PB line for two major events now.
"Oh, and just one more thing. Four years ago we brought the supercomputer into a laptop. Today, we bring the world's fastest laptop to you. Introducing the new PowerBook G5, complete with a 2GHz processor and all the features you see in today's PowerMac line."
Or something like that.
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"Oh, and just one more thing. Four years ago we brought the supercomputer into a laptop. Today, we bring the world's fastest laptop to you. Introducing the new PowerBook G5, complete with a 2GHz processor and all the features you see in today's PowerMac line."
Or something like that.
Chase
I think that we are a long way off from seeing G5 processors inside PowerBooks. However, you would probably be smart not buy the first generation of them. Who knows what kind of cooling issues and what not will be faced?
Didn't Intel offer to make Apple a chip?
and screw the G5, e6(7)00 all the way!!
maybe motorola's new offerings will outperform the G5s, just like centrino kicked the pentium 4's ass.
i personally do not see why chip manufacturers are creating chips that are so damned hot that they require liquid cooling. sure, it sounds cool when you are looking at the alienware ALX or the G5 2.5 GHz, but why are companies producing hot chips like these? don't they realize that hot processors such as the G5 and prescott are basically at a dead end--eventually they will heat up to a point where liquid cooling won't do a thing.
i find it interesting that sony is the only company to escape these heat problems without liquid cooling but instead with a redesigned tower:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_VAIO_R_series/4505-3118_7-30912984-2.html?tag=top
unfortunately, sony doesn't know the difference between a pentium mmx and a pentium m, so this computer is bound to suck like all of their other computers.
and screw the G5, e6(7)00 all the way!!
maybe motorola's new offerings will outperform the G5s, just like centrino kicked the pentium 4's ass.
i personally do not see why chip manufacturers are creating chips that are so damned hot that they require liquid cooling. sure, it sounds cool when you are looking at the alienware ALX or the G5 2.5 GHz, but why are companies producing hot chips like these? don't they realize that hot processors such as the G5 and prescott are basically at a dead end--eventually they will heat up to a point where liquid cooling won't do a thing.
i find it interesting that sony is the only company to escape these heat problems without liquid cooling but instead with a redesigned tower:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_VAIO_R_series/4505-3118_7-30912984-2.html?tag=top
unfortunately, sony doesn't know the difference between a pentium mmx and a pentium m, so this computer is bound to suck like all of their other computers.
rendezvouscp said:
I can totally see that happening.
Even though I'm in the minority, I think the next Powebook will be powered by a G5. The 970FX chip is no hotter than an Intel Centrino chip, it's just hampered by production problems and Apple's quest for a more quieter computing experience. It would also be typical of Apple to say that a G5 PB would not arrive for awhile so that exisiting G4 PB sales don't stall.
laserbeahm said:
Do you really think they'd sell them if they hadn't tested them enough to know that there wouldn't be problems with cooling? Unless there's a sudden problem in quality control, I don't think we have to worry about that.
mospeada said:
i thought that all the other components are hot though, its not as if they are scotch taping a g5 chip inside a metal case
mospeada said:
Apple wants to offer a G5 PowerBook but the only way they can do it is to offer it at 1.2 - 1.6 GHz. That's not really an improvement considering the cost of the configuring a chassis for ultimate heat removal.
I really hope that Freefall, ummm, Freescale can actually step up and offer the E600 promptly. They've got enough testing of enhanced G4s. They should be able to come up with something.