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Think Secret Says iMac Updates Are Coming

Let us all pin our hopes on the great G5. Yes, the update to the iMacs are rather anemic for now. If the G5 is successful and IBM can ramp up speed quickly, we could perhaps see the power of the IBM chips flow down Apple's line up. So, Mac heads, lift your chin up and hope for a bright future in 2004!
(Chant: crush Micro$oft, annihilate Intel, crush Micro$oft, annihilate Intel.....)😀
 
I seem to remember IBM stating for the record that they want to crush Intel...was I dreaming that or did they actually say that? At any rate, I like the sound of that kind of dedication! 🙂
 
New models are reported to receive larger hard drives, graphics card updates, FW800 and USB 2.0.
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Actually this is not true.

TS: None of the new models will ship with a high-speed FireWire 800 port, but the three built-in USB ports on both models will be upgraded to USB 2.0.

FW800 isn't going to be in the next iMacs (according to TS at least).
 
Originally posted by sacrilicious
I don't believe in TS anymore.
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Good idea, since Think Secret is usually the most accurate and consistent of the rumor sites. Last time they really missed something I think was when they guessed that we might seem something extra, they guessed it'd be a Tablet. Other then that one mark, they're pretty right on.

One correction Arn...

ThinkSecret States...
None of the new models will ship with a high-speed FireWire 800 port, but the three built-in USB ports on both models will be upgraded to USB 2.0.
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Were MacRumors quoted them as...
FW800 and USB 2.0.
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So I hope MacRumors is right, but ThinkSecrets site says no go on the FW 800, we'll only be seeing USB 2.0.

Greg
 
I find it ironic that people are debating that one rumor site is wrong because another rumor site says something else...heh...who knows what we'll see until it actually becomes an announced product.
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I seem to remember IBM stating for the record that they want to crush Intel...was I dreaming that or did they actually say that? At any rate, I like the sound of that kind of dedication! 🙂
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You might be thinking of an IBM higher-up saying (Jan/Feb maybe?) that in two years you will see only Intel and IBM making high-end chips with Sun maybe retaining a niche (most notably dissing AMD).

I think that it is a given that IBM's processor division would like to crush Intel. Realistic goal? It's a lot closer than it looked, say, a year and a half ago, but there's a long road ahead of IBM ...
 
Whatever, I just hope they're not announced before the iMac I've got up on eBay sells! I want to get as much for it as I can...
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I find it ironic that people are debating that one rumor site is wrong because another rumor site says something else...heh...who knows what we'll see until it actually becomes an announced product.
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Isnt that why we are here? 😉
 
New iMac

I would consider a new 17" G4 iMac at 1.25GHz, but only if it has a L3 Cache. Without a L3 cache on the G4, I'll just wait for the next revision in 6 months or so to see what they do, or otherwise I'll get a lower end G5 PowerMac if I need something new bad enough in the meantime. I was hoping that this next revision coming up would basically have the same specs as the current G4 1.25 PowerMac, but I guess it's not looking quite like it will.
 
If true the specs are awfully disappointing....buy yesterday's computer for tomorrow's prices....no thanks I'll wait for the G5 rev2 (980 ? with SIMULTANEOUS hyperthreading...yeah that should be sweet)
 
Originally posted by IDTheft
Let us all pin our hopes on the great G5. Yes, the update to the iMacs are rather anemic for now. If the G5 is successful and IBM can ramp up speed quickly, we could perhaps see the power of the IBM chips flow down Apple's line up. So, Mac heads, lift your chin up and hope for a bright future in 2004!
(Chant: crush Micro$oft, annihilate Intel, crush Micro$oft, annihilate Intel.....)😀
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anemic? a 1.25 with fx5200 will do better in every test vs a 1 gig and 4mx card. This is not a bad imac boost, and if they can get 7457 with 200 fsb in there then all the better. I wish apple would get a better video chipset in the imac since it can not be upgraded, to keep forcing cheap video cards on new imac users sucks Steve. They should have a gamers imac that can kick pc a--! but even the single g5's come with that lame fx5200 garbage.
 
iMac=internet Mac

I thought that the iMac was for people to surf the internet, do all the iApps, and be able to word process well. If that's the case, a 1.25 G4 kicks major butt. It's more than is necessary. Just my .02
 
look at the specs again. those sound like the specs we're expecting for the 15 and 17 inch powerbooks! hmmmm...makes you think.
 
Well, these are still rumors, so who knows what will really be coming out. I seem to recall that all the rumor sites insisted the top end G5 would be a 1.8 GHz...but we ended up with a sweet 2.0 GHz 🙂
 
these updates don't do a whole lot to distance the iMac from the eMac...as others have said I think L3 cache should have been included. we'll have to see about the FSB..hopefully they'll push it to 167. i still think these iMacs will be great for the consumer user, but i'd still like to see more. everyone i know who has one is a pretty basic user though, so maybe these will be fine.
 
Originally posted by whawho
OS X needs more ram than 128 to run good... Why not make it run good out of the box.
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OS X needs more than 128MB of RAM to run period. It almost embarrasing how lousy it runs on 128, absolutely horrific on an eMac. It basically compares to PC's that first started running Windows when they transitioned from DOS, for anyone who remembers, that's how sluggish the system is. I don't think it's even fair to sell computers wihtout at least 256MB, given the low cost of RAM. I think it it really needs to maxed out to even run normally. I don't like to bash Apple but they produced a memory hungry operating system and they need to accommodate for it with their hardware. Especially new hardware that should run it smoothly out of the box.

As for the iMac, it will never be prosumer or at least, I don't think it ever should be. Prosumer is bottom of the line desktop, a headless system. The iMac is an everyone's computer and that is the niche I see Apple wanting for it for years to come.
 
But going back to the 7457 question... Why are they releasing an iMac update with a hot, expensive 1.25GHz 7455 in it, when we all have been thinking that cheaper, cooler, faster 7457s are the incremental upgrade (before the G5)?

Maybe Apple's not getting a boatload of 7457s after all! Maybe they ain't no 7457s out there!

On the Cube list, though, Robert Jagitsch of PowerLogix says that they have some 7457s ("about a foot away") and will be releasing CPU upgrades containing them someday.
 
Re: iMac=internet Mac

Originally posted by copperpipe
I thought that the iMac was for people to surf the internet, do all the iApps, and be able to word process well. If that's the case, a 1.25 G4 kicks major butt. It's more than is necessary. Just my .02
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As an imac user I dont know why Powermac users assume imac users want an underpowered, outdated chip. this imac update is junk, rubish, ridiculous. They should have thrown in 1.4 chips, or even made the line up dual processors.

i dont understand why you think a 1.25ghz processor kicks butt. Hell if i was someone who was considering switching over to the mac platform, i'd be looking and thinkin hmmm 1.25ghz or this shiney and cheaper 3ghz intel machine. no contest mate. im using a mac because i liek the os, in reality they are underpowered by some considerable margin. and before you start blabbering on about the mhz myth, rubish or we wouldnt all be getting so exited about the G5. The reality is that until the imac and emac start shipping with a decent spec apple will have limited success in winning over the wintel market. and bottom line is that the home consumer market (imac/emac) is a much bigger market than the powermac market.

sorry but anyone who thinks all imac consumers are happy with a 1.25ghz processor is smoking something

jay
 
Well put jay....I'm glad you didn't mince your words or sell out to political correctness. Apple has serious problems if they can't recapture at least a sizable chunk of the consumer market and they will NOT do it with upgrades such as these. Recent studies suggest that Linux on the desktop may capture as much as 20% of the market by 2007.....with Apple asleep at the wheel I don't doubt for one minute that is where the switchers will head to
 
Originally posted by fred
Well put jay....I'm glad you didn't mince your words or sell out to political correctness. Apple has serious problems if they can't recapture at least a sizable chunk of the consumer market and they will NOT do it with upgrades such as these. Recent studies suggest that Linux on the desktop may capture as much as 20% of the market by 2007.....with Apple asleep at the wheel I don't doubt for one minute that is where the switchers will head to
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the thing is i dont wish to flame all of the powermac users, i perfectly understand why they want to have a superior machine. after all they are paying a premium for their kit. the point im making is that it is wrong to assume that the consumer market is happy with low powered hardware, were not. reality is we want the most expeditious processors too. i find it amusing when i read posts from people who say thier litte imac is working just fine running osx and having a 500mhz procesor, i have one of those nd reality is its a dog. it was fine three years ago, but now its too slow. i dont like clicking aps and waiting twenty seconds for them to load. if everyone was happy with slower computers, we'd all buy second hand or never upgrade.

i think apple, and many mac users, tend to look inward and not at the computer market as a whole. we judge updates based on previous systems,and not on what the market is offering. Even though the G5 looks very appealing, apple should have just had a 1.8 and a 2g dual line up. I think apples margins are a bit high on their systems personally, but i doubt that will change. they've been to the brink with the G4 and the mac faithful have kept htem going, and we probably always will. so what do apple care, if they did we wouldnt be given spurious statements about this being the year of the laptop. hell if this is the year of the laptop i sure as hell hope we dont get a year of the imac, emac or powermac, that would be disasterous!!

jay
 
It appears as though Apple is (1) giving consumers the shaft and hoping they'll be a high-profit-margin PowerMac or (2) unable to deliver a faster processor at the time.

As it stands, nearly all of the G5s must be going to the PowerMac, and to keep the thunder rolling for the PowerMac, it only makes sense to keep the G4 in the iMac. However, without a 7457, consumers can expect little or no performance gain in the jump from 1GHz to 1.25GHz, given the choked system bus (it isn't THAT choked, but this update would look much more impressive with the memory bandwidth of the 7457). As well, the move to the 5200 FX offers very little performance gain, and prevents the iMac from ever being a gaming machine.

Simply put, at these prices, we'd need at least the following specs. on the high-end to have me considering an iMac purchase:

- 1.3GHz 7457 G4
- 512K L2 Cache
- 333MHz System Bus
- PC2700 DDR RAM
- GeForce FX 5200
- 17" LCD Display
- SuperDrive
- 120GB HD
- $1799
 
Originally posted by GregGomer
Good idea, since Think Secret is usually the most accurate and consistent of the rumor sites. Last time they really missed something I think was when they guessed that we might seem something extra, they guessed it'd be a Tablet. Other then that one mark, they're pretty right on.
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Thinksecret stated with 100% certainty that 15" Powerbooks would never get a SuperDrive because they couldn't make them small enough to fit.
 
Originally posted by MattG
Whatever, I just hope they're not announced before the iMac I've got up on eBay sells! I want to get as much for it as I can...
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No kidding. I just got $1600 for mine and feel lucky. There are a lot of iMacs on the auction block.

I'd rate it as consumer, the 5200FX will help but not much.
 
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