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I expect the entry level Mac Pro to be about $3500 and have the same specs as the entry level iMac Pro. An iMac Pro and a Mac Pro & 5K monitor combo with same specs should be about the same price. ~~~~

That's thinking waaaaay too logically ;)

I have a feeling Apple will throw 6/8 TB3 ports on a future Mac Pro, start at 10 cores and even faster SSD, just so they can start the price at $5K.
 
That's thinking waaaaay too logically ;)

I have a feeling Apple will throw 6/8 TB3 ports on a future Mac Pro, start at 10 cores and even faster SSD, just so they can start the price at $5K.
Anything much over $3500 base wouldn't compare well with a Dell or HP Zeon Workstation. At least assuming the same specs as the iMac Pro (plus a graphics card slot and 2-4 more TB3 ports).
 
eGPUs currently are currently plug-and-play (with some bugs) in High Sierra if you're using an AMD card. I've got 2 5K monitors, a 1440p Wacom, and a 4K TV attached to my iMac Pro right now. The latter two are connected to a Sonnet eGPU box with an RX580 inside.
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I know, off topic, but what do you do with that setup!!? It looks amazing!
 
I know, off topic, but what do you do with that setup!!? It looks amazing!

I just can’t help thinking “Meet the Fokkers”... :) Great rig!
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eGPUs currently are currently plug-and-play (with some bugs) in High Sierra if you're using an AMD card. I've got 2 5K monitors, a 1440p Wacom, and a 4K TV attached to my iMac Pro right now. The latter two are connected to a Sonnet eGPU box with an RX580 inside.

Sometimes when I plug or unplug a monitor into the eGPU, the entire system will freeze (although the mouse still moves).

Using the box with my laptop is more of a hassle, since you need to log out before disconnecting or the system will crash.

In neither case do I think that I'm getting the full performance out of the card. So if video performance really matters to you (for professional apps, not games) pay the extra cash now for the Vega 64.

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This is the same conclusion I came to. Much better to have it integrated and then upgrade in a few years with an egpu when it has matured rather than beta and crashes.
 
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I know, off topic, but what do you do with that setup!!? It looks amazing!
VR & 3D printing mostly. Needed the iMac Pro to calculate 3D models from 150-250 photos in hours instead of days.

As for what the monitors are for:

Top 4K monitor: Shows other people in the room what the person wearing my VR headset is seeing.

Left-hand Dell 5K: Reference materials.

Main 5K display: Primary Work monitor

Right-hand Dell 5K: Secondary work apps (PhotoScan & Unreal Engine, for instance), or I'll screen-share over to the Mac mini that runs my 3D printers in the other room. I can also switch inputs if I need to work on my PC.

Far-Left Wacom: This is a giant graphics tablet that I use for painting in Photoshop, or sculpting work in ZBrush using a pen.
 
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VR & 3D printing mostly. Needed the iMac Pro to calculate 3D models from 150-250 photos in hours instead of days.

As for what the monitors are for:

Top 4K monitor: Shows other people in the room what the person wearing my VR headset is seeing.

Left-hand Dell 5K: Reference materials.

Main 5K display: Primary Work monitor

Right-hand Dell 5K: Secondary work apps (PhotoScan & Unreal Engine, for instance), or I'll screen-share over to the Mac mini that runs my 3D printers in the other room. I can also switch inputs if I need to work on my PC.

Far-Left Wacom: This is a giant graphics tablet that I use for painting in Photoshop, or sculpting work in ZBrush using a pen.
Very impressive. It's nice to get a look what high end user are doing. Thank you.
 
Impressive, most impressive.

But the real question is, do you have a link to that Millennium Falcon hologram in the background. I imagine it's Perspex with LED under lighting, but it looks very cool.

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C'mon now... I really wouldn't want to shift all the way to Windows just to get (maybe?) a bit more bang for the buck.

And a Mac Pro won't have a monitor, which is good for some, bad for others (potential iMac Pro customers). Not to mention, I have a feeling the Mac Pro will be significantly more expensive than $4K.

The problem is not about getting "a bit more bang for the buck", it's about making the purchase a good long term investment.

With a PC (or the rumored upcoming mac pro, or the old mac pro towers) your money lasts longer since you can upgrade and repair the computer for a very long time.

Another aspect is performance. The iMac Pro is not a Land Rover, it's an SUV geared towards weekend camping enthusiasts. It cannot be repaired or upgraded easily, and the all in one design doesn't allow you to use it's full power since it cannot dissipate all the heat it generates.

If you just need more performance than a regular iMac but you won't be abusing that machine the iMac Pro might be a great choice. OTOH if you are going to leave it rendering regularly for days, even weeks, where 10% of performance will make a difference, it might not be the machine for you. Also a machine that is being constantly abused will fail at some point, and some component will need to be replaced. It's expected, which is why Land Rovers are easy to fix.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 27'' iMac myself and I love it, but my performance needs are low. I don't need a Land Rover, I'm fine with an SUV for my suburban life. But people that need to cross difficult terrain daily they need a Land Rover.
 
The problem is not about getting "a bit more bang for the buck", it's about making the purchase a good long term investment.

With a PC (or the rumored upcoming mac pro, or the old mac pro towers) your money lasts longer since you can upgrade and repair the computer for a very long time.

Another aspect is performance. The iMac Pro is not a Land Rover, it's an SUV geared towards weekend camping enthusiasts. It cannot be repaired or upgraded easily, and the all in one design doesn't allow you to use it's full power since it cannot dissipate all the heat it generates.

If you just need more performance than a regular iMac but you won't be abusing that machine the iMac Pro might be a great choice. OTOH if you are going to leave it rendering regularly for days, even weeks, where 10% of performance will make a difference, it might not be the machine for you. Also a machine that is being constantly abused will fail at some point, and some component will need to be replaced. It's expected, which is why Land Rovers are easy to fix.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 27'' iMac myself and I love it, but my performance needs are low. I don't need a Land Rover, I'm fine with an SUV for my suburban life. But people that need to cross difficult terrain daily they need a Land Rover.
As someone who has been utilizing it's full power, I argue that the thermal solution seems to be working well for me. Not every application maxes the processor at every second like rendering video does. My usage per core spikes from around 80% usage to 95% under full load, because there are swaps between context in my virtual machines.

Thermal throttling happens in every system AIO or otherwise, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

As for the servicing, it has the best servicing ever with Apple Care. I just take it in and they handle it for me. Professionals don't have time to handle this junk themselves, thats for IT to handle.
 
Thermal throttling happens in every system AIO or otherwise, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Simply that a tower design would be better than an AIO for many reasons.

As for the servicing, it has the best servicing ever with Apple Care. I just take it in and they handle it for me.

Apple Care lasts for 3 years, after that repairs will be quite expensive. After 5-6 years the model will be declared discontinued by Apple and it won't repair it anymore.

Professionals don't have time to handle this junk themselves, thats for IT to handle.

It surprises me that any self proclaimed professional would consider taking care of its tools "junk".

Professionals and artists have always had an intimate relationship with their tools since their performance depends on knowing these tools. To each his own.
 
Simply that a tower design would be better than an AIO for many reasons.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. However, a tower is bigger, heavier, needs a more complex cooling design for all the discrete components (evidenced by all the fans in the G5 tower) and far less portable compared to AIO design.


Apple Care lasts for 3 years, after that repairs will be quite expensive. After 5-6 years the model will be declared discontinued by Apple and it won't repair it anymore.

This applies to all Macs. The iMP is no exception.

It surprises me that any self proclaimed professional would consider taking care of its tools "junk".

Professionals and artists have always had an intimate relationship with their tools since their performance depends on knowing these tools. To each his own.

The Professionals and Artists have more important tasks than messing with their tools which is simply a distraction from their focus.
 
Simply that a tower design would be better than an AIO for many reasons.

Apple Care lasts for 3 years, after that repairs will be quite expensive. After 5-6 years the model will be declared discontinued by Apple and it won't repair it anymore.

It surprises me that any self proclaimed professional would consider taking care of its tools "junk".

Professionals and artists have always had an intimate relationship with their tools since their performance depends on knowing these tools. To each his own.

Towers have their downsides too. More noise. More dust sucked in if they're on the floor. More things for a non-techie to trip over. You can also run into strange incompatibilities with peripherals (like 5K monitors) that aren't an issue with an All-In-One. One solution is not automatically better than another.

"Professional" story for ya: I used to work as a technical director (basically an artist with tech skills) at a major animation studio where we had 4 matte painters who worked in Photoshop all day. I had to run up there every couple of hours because while they were fantastic painters (and knew Photoshop well), two of them were too ignorant/scared to save a file all by themselves, and none of them understood the complex scene/shot/asset folder hierarchies for our films.

I was there to provide a communication (and cleanup/prep link) between those artists and the very technical programmer who had to make use of their work. I can both paint and program, but I couldn't do either as well as those dedicated specialists. Who were so specialized that they knew almost nothing outside of the one thing they did. The programmer, for instance, didn't understand the data pipeline either, did everything in one folder, and I was the one who had to take his work and re-insert it into the proper places so that it could travel along to the next link in the production pipeline.
 
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